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Sinious Yo Da Best

Which incarnation of Sidious can defeat Vitiate?

Normally, the majority of members place Vitiate below ROTS Sidious including myself. However, with Vitiate's recent feats, a lot of people started to compare him to DE Sidious.

So where does he stand now compared to the Big Bad of the movies?

FORCE ONLY.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

DE Sidious.

The Merchant Senior Member

DE Palpatine. If his spirit truly is weaker than his body I'm going to put him above Palpatine.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Only Palpatine (DE) stands a chance at defeating a Vitiate's Voice.

But Palpatine (DE) cannot stop Vitiate's essence and is likely to fall to Vitiate's counterattack.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

Palpatine has an essence, too, which escaped Chaos by virtue of sheer willpower.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
Palpatine has an essence, too, which escaped Chaos by virtue of sheer willpower.

Yes, but Jedi essences consumed his essence.

Vitiate's essence is by far the most powerful and dangerous yet witnessed.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

It took every Jedi in history to overpower Sidious, lol.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
It took every Jedi in history to overpower Sidious, lol.

Every Jedi did not preserve his essence, few did. So that is overreaching.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

The comic states all past Jedi would make sure he didn't escape.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
The comic states all past Jedi would make sure he didn't escape.

It's an interpretation.

Few Jedi managed to preserve their essences in galactic history. All of these essences likely played a role in stopping Palpatine's essence.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

The Official Star Wars Fact File #120 says the same thing, so no, it's not an interpretation.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
The Official Star Wars Fact File #120 says the same thing, so no, it's not an interpretation.

How can every Jedi in galactic history be available to stop Palpatine's essence, when most of them did not even exist during Palpatine's era and most of them did not even preserve their essence? You tell me.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

It doesn't say every Jedi in galactic history, but every Jedi Force Ghost.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
It doesn't say every Jedi in galactic history, but every Jedi Force Ghost.

And this is exactly what I have been saying.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

There's nothing to prevent them from stopping Palpatine, lol.

Sinious Yo Da Best

Can Palpatine's essence manipulate the force without a host?

SunRazer Back From The Dead

It has created Wormholes (or rended space/time) before, as per Gamer#5.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Sinious
Can Palpatine's essence manipulate the force without a host?

To a limited extent.

It is capable of possessing a living being (1 at a time).

Palpatine ordered creation of large number of clones to serve as his hosts, should the need arise. However, each clone deteriorated from ravaging effects of dark side practices. Therefore, Palpatine considered acquiring the body of a living Force-sensitive. He attempted to possess the body of Anakin Solo but was stopped by a Jedi Knight Empatojayos Brand and Jedi essences.

Sinious Yo Da Best

Originally posted by SunRazer
It has created Wormholes (or rended space/time) before, as per Gamer#5.

Do you or anyone else have a quote to share regarding this? I'm curious to know what exactly is stated.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
To a limited extent.
It is capable of possessing a living being (1 at a time).
Palpatine ordered creation of large number of clones to serve as his hosts, should the need arise. However, each clone deteriorated from ravaging effects of dark side practices. Therefore, Palpatine considered acquiring the body of a living Force-sensitive. He attempted to possess the body of Anakin Solo but was stopped by a Jedi named Brand and Jedi essences.

That's not what I was asking though.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

From Gamer#5:

"The moment the Emperor "died" at the Battle of Endor, Droga fell into an inexplicable insanity, butchering his crew and causing the Emperor's Shadow to plunge into Kaal's oceans. Even as he perished, Palpatine used the dark side knowledge the Sith Lords had granted him years earlier to rend space itself and transmigrate his essence across lightyears to Droga's body."

It's ambiguous but still.