Which incarnation of Sidious can defeat Vitiate?

Oh I knew about that yeah. Thanks though.

My question was that if he could unleash devastating force attacks like Vitiate did on Ziost without a host. Because that's an important detail on their comparison imo.

Well we've never really seen anything like it in general, let alone when performed by spirits.

Nihilus came close but he was amped and used warships as well.

Following the destruction of the second Death Star, Palpatine's consciousness spent over a year drifting across the space. On reaching Byss, he awakened and recuperated in the body of a Clone, one of many kept in service. Because the clones can only contain his evil for a limited time, Palpatine strives to take possession of a strong Jedi body.

Taken from Star Wars: The Ultimate Visual Guide

At this point, all Legend needs is a quote that says Vitiate was even more powerful before he got killed by HoT. 👆

Originally posted by Sinious
At this point, all Legend needs is a quote that says Vitiate was even more powerful before he got killed by HoT. 👆

Yes, the mighty world eater was at his peak when confronted on a dark side nexus and defeated by a lone Jedi Knight and his astromech droid.

That would probably lend itself more to his enemies' case than his tbh.

Well he was weakened by a galaxy consuming ritual gone wrong.

Regarding Darth Nihilus:

Nothing matters except his hunger. Before it devours him totally, Nihilus uses its power to displace his persona into his robes and armor. As his useless body disintegrates, he becomes living primitive intention; at last, the whole galaxy becomes food - for Nihilus has become hunger.

Taken from Knights of the Old Republic: Campaign Guide

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yes, the mighty world eater was at his peak when confronted on a dark side nexus and defeated by a lone Jedi Knight and his astromech droid.

That would probably lend itself more to his enemies' case than his tbh.

You've learned that the Emperor is on Dromund Kaas, temporarily weakened by your efforts thwarting his plan for galactic annihilation. Striking at him now is your best chance to defeat him once and for all.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic

Yes, the mighty world eater was at his peak when confronted on a dark side nexus and defeated by a lone Jedi Knight and his astromech droid.

That would probably lend itself more to his enemies' case than his tbh.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Lets not bring that up, otherwise I'll bring up the mighty sith lord getting shot in the back by Han "I shot first" Solo. "But but but he intended to die anyways!!" Riiiiight.

Not my point, but by all means, feel free. 👍

As you would say, "apples and oranges."

Practically speaking, there aren't a whole lot of Dark Side spirits to compare either one of them to. Spirit Exar Kun in Jedi Academy seems stronger then he ever was with a body.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Practically speaking, there aren't a whole lot of Dark Side spirits to compare either one of them to. Spirit Exar Kun in Jedi Academy seems stronger then he ever was with a body.

- Darth Andeddu
- Darth Andru
- Darth Bane
- Darth Caedus
- Darsin
- Servant of Ergast
- Quorlac Fornayh
- Horak-mul
- Dathka Graush
- Darth Iratus
- Skere Kaan
- Aloysius Kallig
- Exar Kun
- LaTor
- Saalo Morn
- Terrak Morrhage
- Karness Muur
- Freedon Nadd
- Darth Nihilus
- Ajunta Pall
- Qordis
- Marka Ragnos
- Naga Sadow
- Darth Vectivus
- XoXaan
- Darth Zash
- Kalatosh Zavros

Exar Kun was able to manipulate the Force in essence form but he needed a strong Jedi body (i.e. Kyp Durron) to retrieve Sun Crusher and defeat Luke Skywalker.

TPM Sidious should be enough. Imho Sidious more or less reached his prime at that point and only marginally improved after that time and most improvements were about new Force powers rather than combat prowess. Anyway, if TPM Sidious is less powerful than Vitiate, he can still beat him JK style by resisting Force attacks and closing in.

Originally posted by Arhael
TPM Sidious should be enough. Imho Sidious more or less reached his prime at that point and only marginally improved after that time and most improvements were about new Force powers rather than combat prowess. Anyway, if TPM Sidious is less powerful than Vitiate, he can still beat him JK style by resisting Force attacks and closing in.

IMHO RotS Sidious is enough. He has vastly superior speed and skill and him bending the will of the Force (even pre RotS) is superior to Vitiate's showings.

I'd argue Vitiate takes a majority over any incarnation of Sidious sans DE. That's where the debate is at rn tbh.

Nah. Sidious challenging the Force itself and bending its will > Vitiate's feats IMHO.

Originally posted by Stigma
IMHO RotS Sidious is enough. He has vastly superior speed and skill and him bending the will of the Force (even pre RotS) is superior to Vitiate's showings.

Originally posted by Stigma
Nah. Sidious challenging the Force itself and bending its will > Vitiate's feats IMHO.

Want me to provide information?

I can also provide information that implies that balance of the Force have fluctuated at different times in history.

With Plagueis's assistance, and while in deep, constant meditation for months. I have my doubts that Sidious would be presented the same circumstances in an actual fight.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Sidious did not bend the will of the Force on his own. This was joint effort of Darths Plagueis and Sidious and this feat took months of meditation.

It was also well before RotS.

There's a reason Palpatine wasn't even able to fully control his planet-destroying force storms until DE, Stig. If Palpatine actually was a universal-level power, (lol,) force storms would be a triviality.