Which incarnation of Sidious can defeat Vitiate?

Originally posted by Stigma
That is true. But the Force is a universal power. Even if we divide their effort by 2, Sidious's feat still beats Vitiate's mere planetary feat.

It was also well before RotS.

The Force was omnipresent. It radiated stronger in certain places and at certain times, and the balance of the dark side and the light constantly shifted.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

So much for being an exclusive feat, it isn't. Maybe it is easier to disrupt the balance of the Force because it fluctuates anyways.

Mere planetary feat? Have Sidious demonstrated matching power? No.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
There's a reason Palpatine wasn't even able to fully control his planet-destroying force storms until DE, Stig.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
If Palpatine actually was a universal-level power, (lol,) force storms would be a triviality.

Originally posted by Stigma
That's not what I said LOL. I said the Force is a universal power. Influencing that power to such a degree is beyond Vitiate IMHO.

Vitiate obliterated the Force energy around Nathema. The Force is omnipresent, not omnipotent.

Originally posted by Stigma
Good points.

IMHO RotS Sidious is enough. He has vastly superior speed and skill and him bending the will of the Force (even pre RotS) is superior to Vitiate's showings.

Originally posted by Arhael
Well. How impressive feats is subject to opinion. I rely more on the status of each Sith in the lore. Vitiate is top villain of his era. So is Sidious but Sidious is also canonically most powerful even though in film media he doesn't seem to be as impressive as Vitiate.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Correction: Darth Sidious isn't canonically most powerful Sith.

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

--Taken from The New Essential Chronology

Originally posted by Arhael
Dismissed: he is.

Not a single canon source promotes Sidious as the most powerful Sith. Such promotions stopped when Vitiate, The Ones, and Abeloth had been introduced to the mythos.

Originally posted by Stigma
I am positive that there is info that claims otherwise.
Somone like Gideon Tempest will be more knowledgeable about it, I'm sure.

That's not what I said LOL. I said the Force is a universal power. Influencing that power to such a degree is beyond Vitiate IMHO.

1. I'm fairly certain that even ROTJ Palpatine, who was more powerful than ROTS Palpatine, couldn't even fully control his force storms.

2. It's beyond planetary annihilation? Sidious didn't even achieve that type of power until DE, who's>ROTS Sidious.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
1. I'm fairly certain that even ROTJ Palpatine, who was more powerful than ROTS Palpatine, couldn't even fully control his force storms.

2. It's beyond planetary annihilation? Sidious didn't even achieve that type of power until DE, who's>ROTS Sidious.

This revelation is telling:

The Force was omnipresent. It radiated stronger in certain places and at certain times, and the balance of the dark side and the light constantly shifted.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

Maybe it is easier to disrupt the balance of the Force because it fluctuates anyways.

The Force is an energy field and it is omnipresent. It's universal in span but it isn't some all-powerful entity. Its like oxygen on planet earth.

Not to forget that Vitiate demonstrated the capability to eliminate the Force itself. Nathema serves as a reminder.

Here is another:

"The Force always strives for balance. The Emperor is an agent of darkness and destruction. It is inevitable that a champion of the light will one day rise to oppose him. I may be that champion." - Revan

What Revan is implying is that Force-users are able to influence the balance of the Force. This may explain why the balance fluctuates.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He isn't.

Not a single canon source promotes Sidious as the most powerful Sith. Such promotions stopped when Vitiate, The Ones, and Abeloth had been introduced to the mythos.

Originally posted by Arhael
I edited in an example of canon source above. There are many other examples.

DE Sidious stills trumps Vitiate, but I'm less sure that RotS/RotJ Sidious can anymore.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
DE Sidious stills trumps Vitiate, but I'm less sure that RotS/RotJ Sidious can anymore.

Why not Lord Nyax > Darth Sidious (DE) because the former defeated superior incarnation of Luke Skywalker?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
DE Sidious stills trumps Vitiate, but I'm less sure that RotS/RotJ Sidious can anymore.

Originally posted by Stigma
Have no fear. RotS Sids blitzes.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Remind me how. Posting unsubstantiated remarks doesn't makes your point credible.

Why not Lord Nyax > Darth Sidious (DE) because the former defeated superior incarnation of Luke Skywalker?

De Sidious >>>Vitiate

Next thread please?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because that superior Luke was till weaker than Sidious.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
De Sidious >>>Vitiate

Next thread please?

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Vitiate >>>De Sidious

Next thread please?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]The New Essential Chronology is not a canon source-book, it is Legends source-book. Also, this source-book is heavily outdated in content, it predates the introduction of the super-strong characters to the lore (mentioned earlier). More importantly, Emperor Vitiate have superior showings then Darth Sidious. [/B]

Legends is still a canon source. Sources do not get outdated unless directly contradicted. Vitiate existed way before Sidious, so his feats cannot contradict any statements in reference to Sidious. Whatever TOR era introduces, it does not invalidate PT and other later eras in any way whatsoever.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Lord Nyax defeated Jedi Master Luke Skywalker; incarnation that had manipulated a Vong blackhole earlier.

Fixed.