Superman heat vision vs Thor lightning

Started by abhilegend13 pages

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I never said Spectre was the only one to cause anything. Go back and read my post.

And it literally does not matter what recaps say. You're on the basis that neglecting to mention something means it never happened. Following your logic Extant was completely retconned out of the event in one retelling. And following your logic it's a complete mystery how Hal even got these powers in the first place. Which for starters on all the shit we could bring up are some pretty ****ing important details in Zero Hour. Hal just went nuts and started erasing timelines with his own power. Canon.

What Zero Hour was just the end fight then, no lead up? That's your logic here.

The fact that you're using short retellings when the original feat was longer than those with a ****ton of context should show you're barking up the wrong alley. The ****ing fact that you're basically telling me to ignore the actual comic it happened in says you're wrong.

Nothing was specifically changed in those retellings. Nothing. All there was was attention to detail missing which is to be expected when you deal with any event let alone an event of this magnitude.

This is the shadiest shit I've seen in a long time. You would cry Rao if the same was flipped around on Superman. I don't understand how you think this retcons anything when by the same logic you can retcon 99 percent of the event.

This is ****ing stupid. Straight up ass hole shitting in an ass hole level of stupid.

You're using simplified accounts of the event as to give the reader an idea of what happened and expecting that to be the true tale of what happened. That'd be like listening to Carver shorten a story over someone summarizing an event panel for panel.

You might as well just start reading summaries from the authors of their novels and vehemently stand firm in anything not happening in the summary is wrong.
"The author didn't write that whore getting gangbanged in the summary, why don't you eat a dick and then make sure to include it in a summary of your life."

Also according to 52 Kyle held a full power Parallax at bay all by himself while the heroes were big banging Damage.

It's just... why do you do this? The retellings aren't wrong, they just fit the definition of lacking context. It is not telling us everything we already know from that event.

And lol at this having anything to do with me or my opinion. Yes, the writer should have consulted me for the retelling. Surely this is reliant on me. Shame on me and such and such.
You're literally ignoring crucial details from the actual comic the actual feat takes place that the retellings were based off of so you can put Superman on a pedestal. This should naturally fall on me as opposed to you.

"Two abstract level beings were involved in putting energy through Damage to create a big bang? Yeah maybe in the comic loser! Two seperate retellings didn't mention that so naturally that means Superman's penis is the juiciest hog around. I don't say this enough, but what a cock!"

I'm honestly suprised you don't stab Celey in his sleep with that reach.


Hey look, another essay from bran. How original! Sadly I don't have neither the patience nor the time to go through your BS "Hey let's call all recaps invalid just because I don't like it and they didn't have every minuscule information ever and that's not just ****ing stupid, it's totally inane."

You know what, I don't give a shit about what you think happened in your view. Give me a scan which says the big bang happened due to Spectre and Superman had nothing to contribute there. Until then, cry more.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This is pretty much the response I'm getting from you.

If you're afraid to give your version just say so.
Concession accepted. 👆

😂

Originally posted by Igniz
I'm gonna post scans that actually proves that Thor did in fact hurt the Chaos King.Not to the point Thor injured the Chaos King with the lightning attack.But to the point that it did stun the Chaos King long enough for SG Herc to punch him into the continuum.

No 1)Daimon Hellstorm attacks the Chaos King(pre 98.76% destruction of the multiverse)

Notice Daimon panicking and telling everyone to stop CK?Add to the fact CK absorbs whatever he destroys makes him more powerful.And Daimon's attack on CK doesn't even register.He's not giving any attention to Daimon.CK doesn't even show any sign of pain from Daimon's attack.Here's another scan retelling the events by Silver Surfer from Chaos War God Squad.

In that scene, CK is smiling at Daimon's attack on him.Its like CK is mocking Daimon for his efforts.So Daimon's attack on CK is doing nothing.CK wasn't hurt as shown on panel.

No 2)Zeus attacks Chaos King(pre 98.76% destruction of the multiverse)

Zeus wasn't a skyfather when he did that I'll admit.But CK hasn't attacked the Council Elite at that time.This scene happened in Chaos War#2 but retold through Ares's perspective in Chaos War Ares.This scene depicts a less powerful CK tanking an attack from Zeus and killing him afterwards.

This are some of the examples I gathered.There was CK fighting Impossible Man and the Zenn-La Gods example as well.And CK didn't even show pain when he fought them.Now that I think about it, Thor actually hurt CK powered by 98.76% of the multiverse with a lightning bolt as shown on panel.While Daimon and Zeus failed to hurt a less powerful CK with their attacks.They didn't even make a less powerful CK close his eyes in pain.I might as well say Thor's lightning bolt was multiversal 😱


And how is CK tanking all that shit means he was hurt by that lightning? Why don't you post the very next page where CK is laughing?

Lulz @ multiversal lightning though. Superman punched Soul fire Darkseid in half when the Source/ALE who were the creator of existence failed to do anything to him. Do you think Superman was multiversal there?

Originally posted by Surtur
Plus the durability of Sentry tends to be all over the place from one instance to the next. His power levels are about as stable as his mental state.

I don't get it. Do you mean he has feats of hurting the Chaos King? As in..the same person who was a high end cosmic? If your answer is "yes" I have to then ask if you feel it is legit for Thor to be hurting cosmics with..anything in his arsenal. Dude couldn't even kill Juggernaut with his god blast, but he can hurt cosmics with lightning?

I gave a Hugh end feat which is all you cbr types care about while ignoring the rest. You act as ig comics need to be consistent from writer to writer. It's canon so dismissing anything you don't agree with is bias. I don't select what counts I say it all counts. The reason I believe his lightning is powerful is it is portrayed as a bugger deal consistency than Superman's lightning. I gave a high end feat that you could understand since you're from cbr.

Yw.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey look, another essay from bran. How original! Sadly I don't have neither the patience nor the time to go through your BS "Hey let's call all recaps invalid just because I don't like it and they didn't have every minuscule information ever and that's not just ****ing stupid, it's totally inane."

You know what, I don't give a shit about what you think happened in your view. Give me a scan which says the big bang happened due to Spectre and Superman had nothing to contribute there. Until then, cry more.

Maybe I can make a summary of his post for you to read 👆

I will make sure to omit all the evidence out of it and to leave in only the parts that take away from the post if read in it's entirety. Can't have people getting the full story, now can we?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Lulz, if you can't even prove a simple hurt scene you should leave the site.

I'm not going to waste my time retyping everything.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Again with you inability to accept so you satisfy yourself by ignoring what was shown on panel.
I'll walk you through it. The page prior had(with eyes open)CK's tendrils all over Herc and even stabbing his eyes out. The scan from Igniz clearly shows CK throwing his arms away from Herc with both eyes closed. CK's body language clearly shows him being hurt even by the briefest of moments. The next page has Herc punching CK which ultimately throws him into the trap set forth by Cho/Galactus. CK laughs after that page thinking he won.

Now think for second. I said "somewhat" because I don't go throwing things around willy nilly. He "somewhat hurt" CK because in the end the attack would not have had any long lasting effect. It would be utterly stupid to think so. A regular portrayal of Thor's lightning attack would not even register to a being of CK's stature. Here it did. High showing obviously. Not out of the realm of possibility when it comes to heroes as powerful as Thor.

But the bottom line is it did hurt him enough so that it enabled Herc to launch a counter attack. The fact that it gave CK pause is a stupidly high end feat considering his power level at that point in time. Ridiculous I know, but this is comics bruh. The land of high end and low end feats. Deal with it.


Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wow this is pathetic. Add another to one of your countless displays butthurttery. Just when I thought you couldn't get any lower, you prove me wrong yet again.

Here I'll help you break this mental barrier.
Look at the scan again. Now tell me how did Thor "startle" the Chaos King? Using your own words, how did he get "startled" enough so that he broke off his assault on Supergod Herc and allowed himself to get punched into a trap?

I'm brimming with anticipation.


Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You were already given a step by step description as to why CK was hurt on the scene. Are you purposely being obtuse?

Now we're all waiting for your version. I want to see how Thor "startled" Chaos King into letting Herc punch him into the continuum. Finish what you started.

facepalm


Where's your explanation?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey look, another essay from bran. How original! Sadly I don't have neither the patience nor the time to go through your BS "Hey let's call all recaps invalid just because I don't like it and they didn't have every minuscule information ever and that's not just ****ing stupid, it's totally inane."

You know what, I don't give a shit about what you think happened in your view. Give me a scan which says the big bang happened due to Spectre and Superman had nothing to contribute there. Until then, cry more.

"Essay"
More like it's really easy to write words down and cover all loose ends. No plot holes.

I never called recaps invalid, I said they (more often than not) lack the full context of the feat in question and thus can't be considered absolute truth. It's not a tough concept here.

My view is based off the actual comic and you said it doesn't count because recaps. 😀

But yes I am crying here. You're trying to say Superman contributed 1/4 of a big bang solely because a recap forgot to mention Spectre and Parallax. 😉

It was of my understanding that Parallax had enough energy to start a big bang himself. If that energy is being thrown into Damage along with Spectre's then I can't see how Superman is a standout here.

We could get a mod ruling here though on whether or not recaps invalidate the comics they originated from if the recap neglects details though.

That recap doesn't say anything about Superman using his HV. Therefore, he never powered Damage up.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
they (more often than not) lack the full context of the feat in question and thus can't be considered absolute truth.

👆 all that needs to be said

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
"Essay"
More like it's really easy to write words down and cover all loose ends. No plot holes.

I never called recaps invalid, I said they (more often than not) lack the full context of the feat in question and thus can't be considered absolute truth. It's not a tough concept here.

My view is based off the actual comic and you said it doesn't count because recaps. 😀

But yes I am crying here. You're trying to say Superman contributed 1/4 of a big bang solely because a recap forgot to mention Spectre and Parallax. 😉

It was of my understanding that Parallax had enough energy to start a big bang himself. If that energy is being thrown into Damage along with Spectre's then I can't see how Superman is a standout here.

We could get a mod ruling here though on whether or not recaps invalidate the comics they originated from if the recap neglects details though.


I've no interest in getting in a pissing contest with you.

You want to argue about something? Don't throw hissy fits over everything.

I didn't say it was 1/4th of big bang. I said he contributed a portion of it. Otherwise there is no point to include him in that scene and all the recaps.

Heh, can't prove it by yourself so running to mods now? Good.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm not going to waste my time retyping everything.

Where's your explanation?


You mean you can't separate reality from your fanfiction? Because that's your whole post.

Why don't you show CK actually expressing that he was hurt? You know like comic characters do?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've no interest in getting in a pissing contest with you.

You want to argue about something? Don't throw hissy fits over everything.

I didn't say it was 1/4th of big bang. I said he contributed a portion of it. Otherwise there is no point to include him in that scene and all the recaps.

Heh, can't prove it by yourself so running to mods now? Good.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That recap doesn't say anything about Superman using his HV. Therefore, he never powered Damage up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I gave a Hugh end feat which is all you cbr types care about while ignoring the rest. You act as ig comics need to be consistent from writer to writer. It's canon so dismissing anything you don't agree with is bias. I don't select what counts I say it all counts. The reason I believe his lightning is powerful is it is portrayed as a bugger deal consistency than Superman's lightning. I gave a high end feat that you could understand since you're from cbr.

Yw.

First of all dude if you're going to bash something at least know what you are talking about. CBR cares about high end *consistent* feats. I have no real love left for them, but come on now..these people have a rule specifically forbidding the use of the Spider-Man vs Firelord fight as a feat(among others) and you come in with "all they care about are high end feats".

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

That panel of Superman powering up Damage must be from deviantart. Right bran?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That panel of Superman powering up Damage must be from deviantart. Right bran?
Nope. It just got retconned by the second retelling.

The higher ups thought they didn't retcon it enough with the first retelling and they went back and remastered it with the second recap. It's the definitive version of Zero Hour now.

Originally posted by Surtur

I don't get it. Do you mean he has feats of hurting the Chaos King? As in..the same person who was a high end cosmic? If your answer is "yes" I have to then ask if you feel it is legit for Thor to be hurting cosmics with..anything in his arsenal. Dude couldn't even kill Juggernaut with his god blast, but he can hurt cosmics with lightning?

That's why it's a high end feat. It was never meant to show his regular portrayal. When you have a powerful hero who's been around the block, it shouldn't be all that surprising. I mean come on now... It's not like he hasn't done ridiculous things with his lightning shots.

He has no business doing a lot of things, but he does anyway.

KO's Gorr without Mjolnir. By that time, Gorr has already butchered pantheons.
http://i.imgur.com/LhM4iNp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9JIRqxv.jpg

Has a prolonged lightning blast stand-off against Zeus of all people. What herald does that?
http://i.imgur.com/DhQTCYM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WZ4bnWU.jpg

Blasts a fully formed Void who was stomping an army of heroes. The Void just killed an uberly amped Loki in possession of multiple Norn Stones. The attack was so powerful it displaced the Void far enough from Broxton so Tony can drop a nuke(hellicarrier) on his dome.
http://i.imgur.com/tWhOtQq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mwfnRtF.jpg

Incinerates the hel outta the Void. Yes he it helped that he wanted to die, but it was still a ridiculous feat seeing as he just went back to full void and blasted the army of heroes away.
http://i.imgur.com/WgoihMQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/POAuLab.jpg

He halts a planet killing blast launched by two gods who ruled that world.
http://i.imgur.com/sJR4UQR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BXCjITA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/peeU0ED.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bPkrVro.jpg

Unleashes a lightning strike powerful enough to shatter an Odin made barrier that separated the 10th realm from Ygdrassil.
"Cosmic Thunder. A storm to shake worlds." Later on we see Loki doing the same with a similarly powerful barrier on the old Asgard Space where Odin resided. He crashed "a few billion megatons of exploding warships" on the weak point to shatter it.
http://i.imgur.com/dplTwj7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aMVDNyF.jpg

Obliterates Ymir's physical shell with lightning strikes. Thor was getting stomped early in the book, but as usual he swings beyond his weight class. Ymir has stalemated Surtur in the past.
http://i.imgur.com/qg8j0S4.jpg

And the list goes on.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That's why it's a high end feat. It was never meant to show his regular portrayal. When you have a powerful hero who's been around the block, it shouldn't be all that surprising. I mean come on now... It's not like he hasn't done ridiculous things with his lightning shots.

He has no business doing a lot of things, but he does anyway.

KO's Gorr without Mjolnir. By that time, Gorr has already butchered pantheons.
http://i.imgur.com/LhM4iNp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9JIRqxv.jpg

Has a prolonged lightning blast stand-off against Zeus of all people. What herald does that?
http://i.imgur.com/DhQTCYM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WZ4bnWU.jpg

Blasts a fully formed Void who was stomping an army of heroes. The Void just killed an uberly amped Loki in possession of multiple Norn Stones. The attack was so powerful it displaced the Void far enough from Broxton so Tony can drop a nuke(hellicarrier) on his dome.
http://i.imgur.com/tWhOtQq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mwfnRtF.jpg

Incinerates the hel outta the Void. Yes he it helped that he wanted to die, but it was still a ridiculous feat seeing as he just went back to full void and blasted the army of heroes away.
http://i.imgur.com/WgoihMQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/POAuLab.jpg

He halts a planet killing blast launched by two gods who ruled that world.
http://i.imgur.com/sJR4UQR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BXCjITA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/peeU0ED.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bPkrVro.jpg

Unleashes a lightning strike powerful enough to shatter an Odin made barrier that separated the 10th realm from Ygdrassil.
"Cosmic Thunder. A storm to shake worlds." Later on we see Loki doing the same with a similarly powerful barrier on the old Asgard Space where Odin resided. He crashed "a few billion megatons of exploding warships" on the weak point to shatter it.
http://i.imgur.com/dplTwj7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aMVDNyF.jpg

Obliterates Ymir's physical shell with lightning strikes. Thor was getting stomped early in the book, but as usual he swings beyond his weight class. Ymir has stalemated Surtur in the past.
http://i.imgur.com/qg8j0S4.jpg

And the list goes on.

Not to be picky but Thor was amped as well I believe by the Norn Stones so I don't know if that could be used in the same vein as the others.

(with regards to your first Void scans I mean)

I get that it is a high end feat, I'm asking if it makes sense in the context of what Thor is normally capable of. Keep in mind that I am not asking about non high end showings for Thor. I'm asking if it matches up with *consistent* high end showings for Thor. So this isn't about so called "normal" showings.

I brought up Spiderman vs Firelord. That fight was a very high end feat for Spidey. But it's not a usable high end feat. If someone made a "who is stronger Spider-Man or Venom" topic I would not be responding with "Well Spider-Man once physically harmed Firelord".

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Not to be picky but Thor was amped as well I believe by the Norn Stones so I don't know if that could be used in the same vein as the others.

(with regards to your first Void scans I mean)


Amped?

Fairly certain they were just healed/revigorated.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Nope. It just got retconned by the second retelling.

The higher ups thought they didn't retcon it enough with the first retelling and they went back and remastered it with the second recap. It's the definitive version of Zero Hour now.


😂

What a way to dismiss a feat.