Cap vs Ozymandias Redo

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This would go like Steve's fight with Batroc tbh. Competitive to an extent for a few seconds until Steve gets annoyed. Or it might end in one hit if Steve feels like it.

He's so far beyond street level characters now. He dragged a dude around and tossed him one handed through a tree while on a bike with utter ease. Not even remotely comparable stats at this point.

Ozymandias isn't more skilled much less to a greater degree (Re: Winter Soldier). Doubt he's faster too.

Not quite as strong or as durable? Bit of an understatement there man.

I think you need to refresh a little bit my friend on Oxy. Go watch his scenes against the Watchman (above humans as well) The skill he shows is effortless and beyond anything Cap has ever shown. Decisively so at that. Their skill levels aren't comparable really. Yes, he's faster as well... not decisively so like skill, but to me marginally faster. Yeah Cap is more durable, no doubt about it. Same with strength... yes he's stronger as well. To me though, this is a very competitive fight, which you don't seem to believe. We disagree on that.

if you view this video... and notice of easily and effortlessly Ozy deals with them without them landing a blow really. Cap's gotten hit by far weaker people. in skill, they aren't comparable really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbnGA8uu8T0
He's pretty darn fast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG7ptX0WhPA

In the end, Cap seems to be getting more powerful as time goes on, so you're correct in that its' starting to Favor Cap the more movies come out. However, if we just looked at The First Avenger... It would be Ozy very clearly and decisively. If we include The Avengers it becomes closer but still Ozy. Now, you could be correct in that it's swung in Cap's favor after AOU... maybe.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
the Watchman (above humans as well)

What makes you think this?

Originally posted by Inhuman
What makes you think this?

Captain wins, easily and comfortably.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It might have something to do with them consistently performing superhuman feats.

I've argued this point before.

You can put Black widow, hawkeye, the transporter, jason bourne, and various other very skilled, very human movie characters in place of the watchmen (sans Dr.Manhattan, ozy), and they would be able to replicate those same feats they did in that movie. All with the same Snyder slo-mo fx's.
Even if it appears in some scenes "slight" flashes of what can be argued as super human feats for any of the watchmen and the people I posted, they are in still in fact not super human.

If you say they are "constantly" performing super human feats then elaborate because i didn't see anything that would "Clearly" put them in the super human category.
Black Widow has done some insane stuff and still I wouldn't say she is superhuman.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Rob is correct that Ozy would stomp with Prep. Agree totally there.

Though I do disagree that Cap beats Ozy h2h in a straight up fight. I think Ozy is on a whole other skill level than Cap and that would be the difference. He might not be quite as strong or durable.. but he's clearly faster and more skilled. To me, those make the bigger difference in a fight. Though it would be a stomp, and likely it would be a 6/10 kinda think for ozy

Ozy won pretty handily back in 'the day' but Cap has been getting more and more powerful with every showing. I still give it to Ozy 6/10 (maybe in 50/50), but Civil War will likely tip the scales in his favor.

It's fun to see people low balling Cap, he is getting ready to fight Ironman in the next movie & he took a tank round to the chest.

In the words of Thor "you are all so petty, & small"

Originally posted by Inhuman
I've argued this point before.

Originally posted by NemeBro
And you were just as wrong then as you are now. 👆

So elaborate on your point. If im wrong you should have no problem proving the watchmen (sans Manhattan and ozy) were super human.

Originally posted by Inhuman
I've argued this point before.

You can put Black widow, hawkeye, the transporter, jason bourne, and various other very skilled, very human movie characters in place of the watchmen (sans Dr.Manhattan, ozy), and they would be able to replicate those same feats they did in that movie. All with the same Snyder slo-mo fx's.
Even if it appears in some scenes "slight" flashes of what can be argued as super human feats for any of the watchmen and the people I posted, they are in still in fact not super human.

If you say they are "constantly" performing super human feats then elaborate because i didn't see anything that would "Clearly" put them in the super human category.
Black Widow has done some insane stuff and still I wouldn't say she is superhuman.

This is correct.

That analogy isn't correct at all, and that is where it falls painfully short. Just because people "appear" to be able to pull off something someone else did, doesn't make it so because of so many factors. creative style, fight choreography, film budget etc etc. Imagine seeing Kit Fisto fighting Storm Troopers and blocking all their fire. Yet, that was one of his only movie feats. You could say, look Anakin isn't the only one who could do that, Fisto has similar feats of blocking laser fire. Geez doesn't it look like they are moving their saber at the same speed to block laser fire. Yet we know Vader is above fisto in pretty much every regard. Your competition can greatly determine how you'll come across. The Watchman never needed to really push themselves or test themselves. So we can't determine something was their peak level when they never needed to try to attain it. We know the abilities they have and are capable of.

while others could appeared to be as fast or as this, doesn't make it so for the reason above.

Cap punches ozy in the face, he spits a few teeth and dies. The end.

The bottom line is, Cap wins.

Originally posted by Inhuman
So elaborate on your point. If im wrong you should have no problem proving the watchmen (sans Manhattan and ozy) were super human.

Jumping in:

Rorschack having his head kicked as if it were a soccer ball and sent flying is probably well above what a normal human could survive.

Originally posted by Robtard
Jumping in:

Rorschack having his head kicked as if it were a soccer ball and sent flying is probably well above what a normal human could survive.

Like i said these guys have "flashes" of what can be considered super human traits.
imo- nothing consistent to put them in that category.
Just like Black widow, the transporter, Jason Statham characters... Still all these guys are more of less regular "very skilled" humans.

Based on that and what the Watchmen comic & movie are basically about: A world with no super powered people suddenly has a true super powered being among them"
Saying that all the watchmen were in fact superhuman goes against what watchmen is all about.
Even if we ignore that, and base it only on on screen feats; I still dont see consistent feats or stuff that these characters are performing that would "clearly" put them in the superhuman category.

I just dont see how slight flashes of above human feats means that they go in the "full on super human " category.
In that case the movie supe humans list would be immense if it was so easy to label them as that. And most action movie stars that have similar feats would now be superhuman. It would be a short list of action stars that are actually "not" superhuman.

People like david blaine would be super human in the real world with his "pushing his body to the limits" tricks and stunts, that he is actually just conditioning his mind and body most of the time.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The Watchman never needed to really push themselves or test themselves. So we can't determine something was their peak level when they never needed to try to attain it. We know the abilities they have and are capable of.
while others could appeared to be as fast or as this, doesn't make it so for the reason above.

When the watchmen actually faced some one with legit super powers like Ozy (probably a bit below cap level), they got stomped.
So if they were "superhuman" they wouldn't have been toyed with and owned so easy. And its not like Ozy is like leagues above a peak human. Like I said he would be a bit below Cap in my book.

So that scene played out like it should. A person who was super powered(ozy) (even though its on the lower tier of super powered folk) , manhandles very skilled but ultimately human foes.
So to answer your question, when the watchmen actually pushed themselves with someone who was actually above human, they didnt fare so well.
why? because they were just regular humans. Very skilled humans, but just humans.

You gotta be kidding me. Ozy beat up a couple of decently skilled humans in Nite-Owl and Rorschach while Captain America shrugs off punches from Ulton and throws motorcycles at cars. Come on people.

Cap wins with little trouble.

Hard fight for Cap, but H2H is in Caps favour. Ozy is probably more technically skilled on the martial arts front in regards to proficiency in particular styles, but judging by the end fight with him against the two, he wont be displaying anything Cap hasnt seen before. Same with Cap, he wont be showing Ozy anything his quick brain wont have seen, but, the things Ozy cant see are Caps enhanced stats, durability alone is 3 or 4 fold, almost limitless stamina, strength is a lock and speed, debatable, but Ozys level is hard to gauge just because of Snyders film style. Cap will win eventually, he will adapt to the fight better, its not just his body that is super soldiery. Ozy makes Cap work harder than anyone Cap has fought thus far, id say Ozy takes WS with hard work, and Cap takes Ozy with harder work. Good fight though.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Hard fight for Cap, but H2H is in Caps favour. Ozy is probably more technically skilled on the martial arts front in regards to proficiency in particular styles, but judging by the end fight with him against the two, he wont be displaying anything Cap hasnt seen before. Same with Cap, he wont be showing Ozy anything his quick brain wont have seen, but, the things Ozy cant see are Caps enhanced stats, durability alone is 3 or 4 fold, almost limitless stamina, strength is a lock and speed, debatable, but Ozys level is hard to gauge just because of Snyders film style. Cap will win eventually, he will adapt to the fight better, its not just his body that is super soldiery. Ozy makes Cap work harder than anyone Cap has fought thus far, id say Ozy takes WS with hard work, and Cap takes Ozy with harder work. Good fight though.

Originally posted by tkitna
You gotta be kidding me. Ozy beat up a couple of decently skilled humans in Nite-Owl and Rorschach while Captain America shrugs off punches from Ulton and throws motorcycles at cars. Come on people.

Cap wins with little trouble.

Agreed.