Savage Opress vs. Darth Malgus (Hope)

Heh heh, this Savage wank pleases me.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus' lightning chewed through a very powerful Jedi's lightsaber defense and still packed enough of a punch to burn holes in him. He's putting Opress down. And lol, Savage is a lumbering giant, he's not dodging or avoiding Malgus' lightning or engaging him "too quick" to pull it off. Also Malgus is way more skilled, come on.

Source: The Third Lesson

Shouting with pain, the Jedi leaned forward into the lightning - teeth bare, blue blades held before him - and staggered toward Malgus. Despite his burns, he came onward. One step, another, another, but he was failing, wilting in the heat of the lightning. Malgus channeled more power and the Jedi fell to his knees, screaming. The lightning spiraled around the Zabrak, blasting dark holes in his body. The lightsabers fell from his hands and he writhed in agony, screaming his pain into the sky.

He struggled even to put Jace down, and the guy didn't die.

Savage is considerably more durable than any of these two, I agree with ILS, it will merely fuel is rage.

Like this, for example:

And to add more ammunition to this lumbering giant nonsense:

The key to fighting Savage is to not let him have his way on offense, but rather also showing aggression to attack his weak defense. As you wrote, Obi-Wan's rare aggressiveness was able to chop up his arm. Therefore going against Sith, Savage will always have a bad time since Sith are always aggressive.

Ventress without a lightsaber was able to land in some blows, again ineffective not because of technique but because of superior physicality.

EDIT: ILS has raised good points about his defense capabilities against Maul however. And on top of that Maul has defended himself against Darth Sidious himself, which according to Filoni puts him above the B-Team. On top of that the saberstaff by way of surface area would naturally bolster his defensive capabilities.

I'm getting food atm, but I'm just going to say for now that my post isn't in favor of Malgus. Just highlighting Savage's defensive capabilities. Malgus definitely has similar faults.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus comfortably.

B/W Malgus (Hope) telekinetic showings include:

1. Preventing several tons of debris from crushing him beneath and the dispersing it - this while being badly wounded.

2. Telekinetically gripping Satele Shan and knocking her into a tree.

And do I need to explain how powerful Satele Shan was at this time?

And in regards to TK:

Combined, and I'm sure that Savage could replicate that feat.

2. He did not telekinetically grip her, he merely used a Force push.

On the other hand Savage in a fit of rage has Force choked Ventress & Count Dooku.

So how exactly does Malgus win this comfortably?

Malgus's additional showings include:

3. Tanking a missile.

4. Choking a Jedi to death.

Sidestepping a stab from the Jedi, Malgus rode his motion into a Force-augmented spinning side kick that hit the Jedi in the ribs and sent him cartwheeling into the wall of nearby building. At the same time, he reached out with the Force for the hidden light-side user, brushed aside the resistance he felt, and pulled the Jedi out of hiding.

A human male in his twenties rose up out of ruins, dangling like a fish on the hook of Malgus's power. His legs kicked futilely; the green blade of his lightsaber cut at empty air; he gagged as Malgus's power squeezed shut his throat.

"Vorin!" shouted the Zabrak.

"So much for your ambush," Malgus said, and closed his fist, crushing Vorin's windpipe. He let the body fall to the charred earth.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: The Third Lesson

5. Overwhelming Lightsaber-augmented defenses of a very powerful Jedi with Force Lightning Storm, wrecking him.

At 10 meters, Malgus extended his free hand and loosed veins of blue Force lightning. They struck the charging Jedi: swept through his defenses, swirled around him, and began to burn flesh.

Shouting with pain, the Jedi leaned forward into the lightning - teeth bare, blue blades held before him - and staggered toward Malgus. Despite his burns, he came onward. One step, another, another, but he was failing, wilting in the heat of the lightning. Malgus channeled more power and the Jedi fell to his knees, screaming. The lightning spiraled around the Zabrak, blasting dark holes in his body. The lightsabers fell from his hands and he writhed in agony, screaming his pain into the sky.

Malgus ended his attack. The Jedi, ruined, fell to the ground and rolled over onto his back. His breathing sounded worse than Malgus's.

Malgus strode to his side and stood over him.

He found that he admired the Jedi's mettle.

He deactivated his lightsaber.

The Jedi, his face twisted with pain, stared up at Malgus. One of the horns on his head had cracked from the heat of the Force lightning. The Jedi's eyes went to the deactivated lightsaber in Malgus's fist and he cocked his head.

Malgus read the question in his eyes. Mercy from a Sith? Malgus smiled. He stepped forward, activated his blade, and stabbed the Jedi through the chest.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: The Third Lesson

1) 😉

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Originally posted by ILS

And for the record, Dooku's same "half assed" lightning strikes with one hand staggered the saber defence of Kenobi and Tiplee at the same time, and has also caused Darth frikkin' Maul of all people to scream in pain.

3) Dooku's lightning isn't that amazeballs. And him being able to handle Savage without any effort tells me that a lesser Sith lightning casted out with concentration can at least harm the Zabrak.

4/5/6) LOL

3. The missile made a pretty big mess of his face.

4. Savage Force choked Dooku & Ventress before his prime. 😐

5. While fueled by pain, yet despite that he is still able to resist for a time. This same lightning having been resisted by Jace Malcolm.

Savage is perfectly capable of withstanding these attacks, and has learned how to deflect it.

Originally posted by Sinious
Dooku's lightning isn't that amazeballs. And him being able to handle Savage without any effort tells me that a lesser Sith lightning casted out with concentration can at least harm the Zabrak.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
1. Savage after having his arm severed and his leg broken by Kenobi, was still able to flee while supporting the weight of his brother.

And in regards to TK:

Combined, and I'm sure that Savage could replicate that feat.

Apples and oranges comparison.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
2. He did not telekinetically grip her, he merely used a Force push.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
On the other hand Savage in a fit of rage has Force choked Ventress & Count Dooku.

So how exactly does Malgus win this comfortably?

Malgus does wins this comfortably because he defeated Satele Shan and another very powerful Jedi.

Originally posted by Sinious
3) Dooku's lightning isn't that amazeballs. And him being able to handle Savage without any effort tells me that a lesser Sith lightning casted out with concentration can at least harm the Zabrak.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
3. The missile made a pretty big mess of his face.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
4. Savage Force choked Dooku & Ventress before his prime. 😐

Originally posted by Beniboybling
5. While fueled by pain, yet despite that he is still able to resist for a time. This same lightning having been resisted by Jace Malcolm.

The storm of Force Lightning that Malgus unleashed on that Jedi was much more potent since even Lightsabers failed to contain it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Savage is perfectly capable of withstanding these attacks, and has learned how to deflect it.

It's significantly superior to Hope Malgus. Dooku could all but instantly kill scores of non-Force sensitives, whereas Malgus struggles to incapacitate one.

What is significantly superior to Hope Malgus? And Malcom is no ordinary individual.

Originally posted by ILS
It's balls are amazing enough for it to be exempt of a comparison to Malgus' lightning. And honestly I don't think the number of hands you use contributes much in terms of potency; seems a little bit artificial when what really matters is how much of yourself you put into it. With that said, Dooku killing multiple Kiffar and multiple Nightbrothers (who all have above-human durability) with his lightning is enough to suggest that it's substantially beyond Hope Malgus', which has killed one Jedi with difficulty.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus does wins this comfortably because he defeated Satele Shan and another very powerful Jedi.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
😂

Go through Satele Shan respect thread: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/satele-shan-respect-thread/103104/

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Satele Shan > Savage. Same is correct for the other Jedi.

Obi Wan and Kiplee struggled to contain a one handed lightning attack from Dooku. Dooku's also laid waist to a group of zabraks, and can instantly KO powerful force users such as Bulq with a single short blasts. He's also KO'd Anakin after a few seconds worth of lightning. Ventress was also floored despite catching a lightning assault from Dooku with her saber, nearly being overwhelmed by the attack right before Dooku relented to make his exit.

Malgus's lightning isn't doing shit to Savage other than get him pissed, which will result in Malgus perhaps being throttled to death.

Basically everything ILS and Beniboy said.

Originally posted by ILS
It's balls are amazing enough for it to be exempt of a comparison to Malgus' lightning. And honestly I don't think the number of hands you use contributes much in terms of potency; seems a little bit artificial when what really matters is how much of yourself you put into it. With that said, Dooku killing multiple Kiffar and multiple Nightbrothers (who all have above-human durability) with his lightning is enough to suggest that it's substantially beyond Hope Malgus', which has killed one Jedi with difficulty.

I've always thought it did, considering more power can be poured out. Regardless, Dooku has KO'd powerful force users with one handed attacks (Anakin; Bulq), and nearly overwhelmed the saber defenses of Kenobi and Kiplee at once. Not to mention how he took out a group of clone troopers with a one handed assault in Yoda's battle with Sidious in the spirit plane. True, it wasn't the actual Dooku, but that sequence of the ritual was meant to be real from Yoda's POV, so I don't presume anything was meant to be exaggerated.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Obi Wan and Kiplee struggled to contain a one handed lightning attack from Dooku. Dooku's also laid waist to a group of zabraks, and can instantly KO powerful force users such as Bulq with a single short blasts. He's also KO'd Anakin after a few seconds worth of lightning. Ventress was also floored despite catching a lightning assault from Dooku with her saber, nearly being overwhelmed by the attack right before Dooku relented to make his exit.

Malgus's lightning isn't doing shit to Savage other than get him pissed, which will result in Malgus perhaps being throttled to death.

Basically everything ILS and Beniboy said.

You are aware that its burned holes through Jedi right? If it connects with Savage he's done?

But I agree this version of Malgus loses

You can't be serious...

Originally posted by carthage

But I agree this version of Malgus loses

The only thing that keeps me from siding with Savage is Malgus beating Satele tbh.

Originally posted by carthage
You are aware that its burned holes through Jedi right? If it connects with Savage he's done?

But I agree this version of Malgus loses

Yeah, but that wasn't this Malgus. Regardless, blaster bolts burn holes through jedi too, yet Savage tanks multiple. Though that might be because of armor, IDK (I don't recall seeing the source for it). Either way Dooku's opponents were more powerful and he wasn't aiming to kill them.

Sinious, Savage has beaten people who are on similar in power to Satele.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Regardless, blaster bolts burn holes through jedi too, yet Savage tanks multiple.

Sinious, Savage has beaten people who are on similar in power to Satele.

IDK, Satele's blitzing and one-shoting several sith like that was pretty impressive. Not to mention her insane tutaminis.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yeah, but that wasn't this Malgus. Regardless, blaster bolts burn holes through jedi too, yet Savage tanks multiple. Though that might be because of armor, IDK (I don't recall seeing the source for it). Either way Dooku's opponents were more powerful and he wasn't aiming to kill them.

Sinious, Savage has beaten people who are on similar in power to Satele.

Bypassing the force defenses of a Jedi that can collapse buildings onto him with lightning is quite different than just being shot. But ok. He's also killed three Jedi on contact with his lightning as well