Originally posted by Sinious
In Return, Malgus was mostly dependent on his strength against Darach. At least that's what I saw from their fight. In hope, he was fighting less dependent on strength and more with skill. Satele was holding her staff with one hand and still managed to push Malgus back when she was Tk'ing the tree. It seems like he defeated someone against who he has no strength advantage. He also has a more proper training compared to Savage imo. Maul even admits that Savage has been trained to be an expendable reckless monster and lacked the discipline of a true sith.Savage tanking Malgus' lightning cause he tanked Dooku's is an argument I can respect but the blaster thing has nothing to do with lightning. You yourself said that the whole blaster tanking thing might very well be due to his armor and while it may help him survive the lightning attack, it won't help him stand his ground in a fight.
Have you seen Dooku lowballing from me or are you referring to someone else? As I said before, Dooku's lightning is vastly superior to Malgus at this point. However since he has proven to be capable of bringing Savage down to his knees without any trouble while fighting Ventress, Malgus could do the same. It wouldn't open up holes in his body but it would bring him down to his knees and unlike Dooku, Malgus has the luxury to pour more and more lightning on him until he gets the chance to cut him down with his saber.
Maul planned on fighting Sidious before Savage's death? How so?
I agree that Savage's display of power in rage mode is superior, but I strongly disagree with the notion of Malgus' lightning making Savage stronger.
I was referring to Neph. That's why I accepted the notion as being a possibility from you and not him.
Anyway, Plo, from what I seen, adapted to Savage's strength and yet couldn't get the upper hand via skill. Again, Savage isn't saber master material in terms of strict skill, but you'd have to be Dooku level for it to make a huge difference, and Malgus isn't Dooku level. Satele holding Malgus off with one arm, isn't exactly helping your argument. Grievous has struck through armored mandalorians, dented a ship by punching it, etc, and yet comparing his performance against the same opponents, it's easy to establish Savage has his clear superior in strength. Ventress, herself, has crushed metal comlinks just by gripping it with her hand, and has struck jedi into unconsciousness via physical attacks, and yet her physical attacks couldn't even tickle Savage; on the contrary, she was completely ragdolled by him (Ventress's durability should also be noted: she's been knocked through massive walls). The people Savage has overpowered via strength have better strength showings than the ones Malgus has overpowered. Standard Anakin is probably on par with Malgus in strength, yet Savage has even pressed him back with his strength. As pointed out, Savage was punching holes through stone walls before his amp by Talzin.
The blaster bolt argument is more than sufficient for my case. Your argument is hinging on the damage, and as pointed out numerous times, is damage Savage can walk through. Again, why would Malgus's lightning damage him more than multiple blaster bolts? Because it's lightning? I think you're underestimating blaster bolts considerably, when, in fact, they've shown to be more lethal than most lightning. How many force users have you seen walk through blaster bolts? Even Dooku level didn't take his chances against them. I've seen the notion about Savage's armor brought up, but never a source. I also think you're underestimating the amount of power Dooku was dishing out against Savage. He was expending enough energy that he was unable to easily take Ventress out, when he otherwise could. Consider his one on one with Ventress; she barely managed to clash with him for a few seconds before succumbing to his power. And like I said, this is Savage at his peak, and the more powerful he became, he's been shown to take more damage, with Dooku's last lightning attack being the moment Savage discovered where his true power comes from: anger/rage. So a protracted lightning attack could result in Savage choking Malgus out. That's more probable than Malgus just downing him with it and then walking up and cutting his head off. Savage stood completely up and lifting heavy obelisks while being attacked by a prolonged lightning attack. Pain feeds his anger, which peak Savage learned to utilize more effectively.
If Malgus can win, it will be because of his lightning. Savage, at this point, is Malgus's clear superior in just about everything else.
SOD, Maul's conversation with Talzin confirmed he intended to draw Sidious away from Coruscant.