Originally posted by quanchi112
Viktor was chealshotted whereas Selene just waxed Markus. Viktor wins. Smarter and more tactical. He takes damage like against Michael but prevails.
What you mean was, Viktor lost to Selene when he should have been able to beat her since he was far older than she was.
Selene had to amp herself with blood from the most powerful guy in the series to take down Marcus.
Not really comparable, and if you do compare them Viktor looks worse.
Originally posted by KingD19Viktor was busy fighting Michael a more powerful hybrid. That's when Selene made her move.
What you mean was, Viktor lost to Selene when he should have been able to beat her since he was far older than she was.Selene had to amp herself with blood from the most powerful guy in the series to take down Marcus.
Not really comparable, and if you do compare them Viktor looks worse.
Selene took him on one on one in fair combat. She won.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiSlene attacked him while he fought someone else. Context.
Viktor last to Selene(un amped)Viktor lost to Lucian
Viktor was disarmed and beaten by his daughter
Viktor was also getting handled by newly turned Michael at first and had a harder time with him than Marcus did against a slightly more seasoned Michael
Viktor was boxed in due to sunlight. Context.
Viktor was beating Michael. Lucian knew Viktor was beyond him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, due to superior tactics. He was always craftier than Markus.
What tactics could he use in a straight up fight? What tactics did he ever use in any of his fights?
And let's make a direct comparison.
Viktor struggled greatly with a fledgling Michael.
Marcus treated a far more competent Michael like he wasn't worth his time and "killed" him fairly easily.
You're...well you're Quan if you think "tactics" will change the fact that Marcus has Viktor outclassed in all the areas that count in a fight. Viktor gets impaled with a wing.
Originally posted by KingD19Damage soak and finding leverage to defeat faster and stronger opponents like Michael.
What tactics could he use in a straight up fight? What tactics did he ever use in any of his fights?And let's make a direct comparison.
Viktor struggled greatly with a fledgling Michael.
Marcus treated a far more competent Michael like he wasn't worth his time and "killed" him fairly easily.
You're...well you're Quan if you think "tactics" will change the fact that Marcus has Viktor outclassed in all the areas that count in a fight. Viktor gets impaled with a wing.
Michael was faster and stronger yet Viktor prevailed.
Untrue. Michael was not killed by Markus. Michael outclassed him too but Viktor was about to kill him before Selene jumped in.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Damage soak and finding leverage to defeat faster and stronger opponents like Michael.Michael was faster and stronger yet Viktor prevailed.
Untrue. Michael was not killed by Markus. Michael outclassed him too but Viktor was about to kill him before Selene jumped in.
Damage soak won't do him any good when he gets impaled by his wings. Or he uses his greater speed and strength to his continued advantage.
Viktor only beat Michael because it was his first transformation and he was essentially feral. He also forgot just how much more powerful he was.
And that's why I put "killed" in quotes. He came back to life, but he was as good as dead for a while and Marcus put him down with ease is the point I'm making. So yeah, Marcus wins, but of course you say he won't because you like Viktor more.
Lucian beat him.. Impaled him.. There was no context. not to mention than Viktor tried to cheapshot him from the side instead of face him in direct combat. when he did, he got impaled for his troubles. He lost
He also lost to his daughter.. she easily disarmed him and beat him. easily
Well then he's not very tactful is he? you claimed he was, but really he's a poor strategist. he failed to see that his plan could be undone by keeping Selene alive.
he failed to see that Selene was falling for Michael and he could turn again him
He failed to see that Kraven actually lied about killing Lucian and put him second in command. A very poor choice as that same Kraven put together a whole plot to kill him and the elders and he failed to notice.
he failed to notice his daughter was falling in love with a Lycan. The whole time it was right under his nose and he never saw it until she was already pregnant and basically showing her love for him.
he failed to notice Lucian would try and escape his bondage and get free and set others free. Thus, he wasn't able to stop him when he escaped with others
he failed to see (forget his name) the guy who gave the key to Lucian to break free of his neck spikes. He believed he had nothing to do with it and accepted this. Even though he was painfully wrong.
he kept Tanus alive when he should've killed him. Tanus know of his attempted secret to make himself the oldest and strongest vampire. Tanus knew the real truth that Marcus was the oldest and most powerful vampire. He even know of his father who was the originator of the corvinus strain. He knew of the whole killing selene's family.. burying of William etc etc. He kept him alive and he ended up telling Selene everything. Poor choice again
It seems Viktor has a storied history of being a buffoon and not having the slightest clue what is going on around him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lucian beat him.. Impaled him.. There was no context. not to mention than Viktor tried to cheapshot him from the side instead of face him in direct combat. when he did, he got impaled for his troubles. He lostHe also lost to his daughter.. she easily disarmed him and beat him. easily
Well then he's not very tactful is he? you claimed he was, but really he's a poor strategist. he failed to see that his plan could be undone by keeping Selene alive.
he failed to see that Selene was falling for Michael and he could turn again him
He failed to see that Kraven actually lied about killing Lucian and put him second in command. A very poor choice as that same Kraven put together a whole plot to kill him and the elders and he failed to notice.
he failed to notice his daughter was falling in love with a Lycan. The whole time it was right under his nose and he never saw it until she was already pregnant and basically showing her love for him.
he failed to notice Lucian would try and escape his bondage and get free and set others free. Thus, he wasn't able to stop him when he escaped with others
he failed to see (forget his name) the guy who gave the key to Lucian to break free of his neck spikes. He believed he had nothing to do with it and accepted this. Even though he was painfully wrong.
he kept Tanus alive when he should've killed him. Tanus know of his attempted secret to make himself the oldest and strongest vampire. Tanus knew the real truth that Marcus was the oldest and most powerful vampire. He even know of his father who was the originator of the corvinus strain. He knew of the whole killing selene's family.. burying of William etc etc. He kept him alive and he ended up telling Selene everything. Poor choice again
It seems Viktor has a storied history of being a buffoon and not having the slightest clue what is going on around him.
Don't forget his tactics were so great that Amelia got ambushed and swarmed by Lycans because Viktor didn't anticipate that.
Originally posted by KingD19His wings will get sliced off with Viktor's sword if he tries that shit.
Damage soak won't do him any good when he gets impaled by his wings. Or he uses his greater speed and strength to his continued advantage.Viktor only beat Michael because it was his first transformation and he was essentially feral. He also forgot just how much more powerful he was.
And that's why I put "killed" in quotes. He came back to life, but he was as good as dead for a while and Marcus put him down with ease is the point I'm making. So yeah, Marcus wins, but of course you say he won't because you like Viktor more.
Michael was more powerful and faster. He tried to kill him and was beaten. You can't forget how powerful you are while going all out. Quit making shit up.
No, that is not accurate and was not a fair fight. Selene killed his ass in a fair fight. She needed to wait while he was engaging Michael to cheapshot strike the mighty Viktor.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThe context was the sunlight kept his boxed in so he was unable to move. Lucian showed he couldn't even kill him despite the advantage. Context, ugly.
Lucian beat him.. Impaled him.. There was no context. not to mention than Viktor tried to cheapshot him from the side instead of face him in direct combat. when he did, he got impaled for his troubles. He lostHe also lost to his daughter.. she easily disarmed him and beat him. easily
Well then he's not very tactful is he? you claimed he was, but really he's a poor strategist. he failed to see that his plan could be undone by keeping Selene alive.
he failed to see that Selene was falling for Michael and he could turn again him
He failed to see that Kraven actually lied about killing Lucian and put him second in command. A very poor choice as that same Kraven put together a whole plot to kill him and the elders and he failed to notice.
he failed to notice his daughter was falling in love with a Lycan. The whole time it was right under his nose and he never saw it until she was already pregnant and basically showing her love for him.
he failed to notice Lucian would try and escape his bondage and get free and set others free. Thus, he wasn't able to stop him when he escaped with others
he failed to see (forget his name) the guy who gave the key to Lucian to break free of his neck spikes. He believed he had nothing to do with it and accepted this. Even though he was painfully wrong.
he kept Tanus alive when he should've killed him. Tanus know of his attempted secret to make himself the oldest and strongest vampire. Tanus knew the real truth that Marcus was the oldest and most powerful vampire. He even know of his father who was the originator of the corvinus strain. He knew of the whole killing selene's family.. burying of William etc etc. He kept him alive and he ended up telling Selene everything. Poor choice again
It seems Viktor has a storied history of being a buffoon and not having the slightest clue what is going on around him.
He was not trying to kill her and his plan was to draw Lucian out. Once he found out she carried an abomination he ended it. He prevailed. He was done playing games and was through with his whore daughter.
He is not all knowing and woke up and was betrayed by Kraven. He was not all knowing. He undid Kraven and they were all shitting their pants. Viktor woke up early and started taking Lycans out. Viktor was the greatest leader in their history.
He was unable to know their involvement. He just came to and took steps to end him. The only reason she turned was Kraven's betrayal of telling her Viktor killed her family.
Due to Lucian showing him proof. Viktor being awakened changed everything. Viktor was still in power despite the Lycans uprising. The vampires returned to power through his leadership. He was masterful whereas Markus was his *****.
Again, he isn't all knowing. Markus failed to free his brother or even find him until Vimtor was dead. He ruled over him with an iron fist for centuries.
Viktor was already dead at that point. Markus died pretty quickly as well. Markus was not good at solidifying power he just went on some berserker quest which cost both he and his brothers lives.
Call him whatever you want but Markus was his ***** for over a thousand years so Viktor >>>Markus in terms of intelligence. He always kept the first of the species in check because he's smarter than Markus who was kind of stupid.
Originally posted by Star428So Viktor had him at his mercy because he's more cunning. Viktor wins this fight because a he's more cunning as well.
LOL. If he was his "*****" then he would've killed him. Only reason Markus didn't kill him was because Viktor had the loyalty of all the other vampires under his command. That's obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head up Viktor's ass.
I'm ****ing amazing.