Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
viktor was physically afraid of Markus !what movie where you watching. markus is so so sooooo much more powerful, deadly and freak'n scary then old skin and blood viktor
What movie were YOU watching? When did Viktor show he was afraid of Markus? He was afraid of what might happen to himself and other vampires if the first one were to die. He was never shown in personal fear of Markus.
I'm not saying Viktor wins, but remember Viktor never even encountered Markus at his strongest. Markus didn't become a hybrid until after Viktor was dead. Viktor was called the strongest vampire, but that was probably just Selene being loyal to him as opposed to out and out fact. He has some nice feats of manhandling werewolves and fighting the hybrid. Unfortunately Markus is a hybrid that can fly and all that jazz. I don't see Viktor winning.
Plus he also got his face chopped off by Selene. That makes him a *****. At least Markus got killed by an amped up Selene. Viktor had no such excuse. Of course her being able to kill Viktor in itself made no sense, but meh.
Originally posted by Surtur
What movie were YOU watching? When did Viktor show he was afraid of Markus? He was afraid of what might happen to himself and other vampires if the first one were to die. He was never shown in personal fear of Markus.I'm not saying Viktor wins, but remember Viktor never even encountered Markus at his strongest. Markus didn't become a hybrid until after Viktor was dead. Viktor was called the strongest vampire, but that was probably just Selene being loyal to him as opposed to out and out fact. He has some nice feats of manhandling werewolves and fighting the hybrid. Unfortunately Markus is a hybrid that can fly and all that jazz. I don't see Viktor winning.
Plus he also got his face chopped off by Selene. That makes him a *****. At least Markus got killed by an amped up Selene. Viktor had no such excuse. Of course her being able to kill Viktor in itself made no sense, but meh.
The reason Selene believed Viktor was the most powerful was because of the lies she was told. This was revealed in No. 2 that viktor had deceived the covenant into believe he was. However, Tanon goes on record to start that I was all a lie and Marcus was actually the oldest and most powerful vampire.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The context was the sunlight kept his boxed in so he was unable to move. Lucian showed he couldn't even kill him despite the advantage. Context, ugly.He was not trying to kill her and his plan was to draw Lucian out. Once he found out she carried an abomination he ended it. He prevailed. He was done playing games and was through with his whore daughter.
He is not all knowing and woke up and was betrayed by Kraven. He was not all knowing. He undid Kraven and they were all shitting their pants. Viktor woke up early and started taking Lycans out. Viktor was the greatest leader in their history.
He was unable to know their involvement. He just came to and took steps to end him. The only reason she turned was Kraven's betrayal of telling her Viktor killed her family.
Due to Lucian showing him proof. Viktor being awakened changed everything. Viktor was still in power despite the Lycans uprising. The vampires returned to power through his leadership. He was masterful whereas Markus was his *****.
Again, he isn't all knowing. Markus failed to free his brother or even find him until Vimtor was dead. He ruled over him with an iron fist for centuries.
Viktor was already dead at that point. Markus died pretty quickly as well. Markus was not good at solidifying power he just went on some berserker quest which cost both he and his brothers lives.
Call him whatever you want but Markus was his ***** for over a thousand years so Viktor >>>Markus in terms of intelligence. He always kept the first of the species in check because he's smarter than Markus who was kind of stupid.
total lies... Viktor tried to cheapshot Lucian because he was clearly worried about being able to take him one v one. Which obviously turned out to be true. He allowed himself to be maneuvered into that vulnerable position. You call that good tactics? I call that him being tactically inept
Again no, watch the movie... The was SWRINGING his sword at her to hit her and presumably kill her (he had no issue killing her as we saw a little later) Yet for all his troubles he was disarmed of his weapon with a sword at his throat by his daughter. Easily I might add.
You don't have to be all knowing to see some of these things coming. A 5th grader would know keeping Tanus alive could expose all the lies he's tried to cover up. That is basic common sense, something he clearly lacks considering how piss poor he is about perceiving situations.
You don't have to be all knowing to see that Selene was falling for Michael, it was pretty obvious. Again, the reason Selene turned on him was because his lies were exposed. He didn't even need to keep her alive in the fisrt place but did. He put Kraven in charge who was clearly inept and a liar and plotted to kill him. He would've succeeded in doing so. Viktor would've been asleep and never known a thing. THIS is the person he placed in charge. Fortunate enough for him he was awoken ahead of schedule or he'd be dead. It had nothing to do with him seeing it coming or planning for it or doing a god damn thing about it. He put somebody in charge that was able to betray him EASILY.
I could go on and on about how piss poor he is at strategizing and reading situation. Common sense even. I've listed just some, but they illustrate what an incompetent buffoon he is.
BTW.. why do you keep calling him MarKus... It's MARCUS clownshoes. You can't even get his name right, something so simple. Yet you act like you're an expert on the Underworld. The only thing you're an expert at is losing all debates you enter.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiHe took an advantageous position and attacked after he came after him. That's all. Lucian was coming to kill him. Quit being a woman about battle. I call weakness exploitation boxing him in to be the on,u reason he won because it's true. Viktor will die in the su light so he had no choice and survived anyways. 😂
total lies... Viktor tried to cheapshot Lucian because he was clearly worried about being able to take him one v one. Which obviously turned out to be true. He allowed himself to be maneuvered into that vulnerable position. You call that good tactics? I call that him being tactically ineptAgain no, watch the movie... The was SWRINGING his sword at her to hit her and presumably kill her (he had no issue killing her as we saw a little later) Yet for all his troubles he was disarmed of his weapon with a sword at his throat by his daughter. Easily I might add.
You don't have to be all knowing to see some of these things coming. A 5th grader would know keeping Tanus alive could expose all the lies he's tried to cover up. That is basic common sense, something he clearly lacks considering how piss poor he is about perceiving situations.
You don't have to be all knowing to see that Selene was falling for Michael, it was pretty obvious. Again, the reason Selene turned on him was because his lies were exposed. He didn't even need to keep her alive in the fisrt place but did. He put Kraven in charge who was clearly inept and a liar and plotted to kill him. He would've succeeded in doing so. Viktor would've been asleep and never known a thing. THIS is the person he placed in charge. Fortunate enough for him he was awoken ahead of schedule or he'd be dead. It had nothing to do with him seeing it coming or planning for it or doing a god damn thing about it. He put somebody in charge that was able to betray him EASILY.
I could go on and on about how piss poor he is at strategizing and reading situation. Common sense even. I've listed just some, but they illustrate what an incompetent buffoon he is.
BTW.. why do you keep calling him MarKus... It's MARCUS clownshoes. You can't even get his name right, something so simple. Yet you act like you're an expert on the Underworld. The only thing you're an expert at is losing all debates you enter.
No, he parried with her and was not trying to kill her. He explained that ruse was to draw out Lucian. He was appalled by her actions but at no point tried to kill her. He took her prisoner he didn't even kill her then to put her to a. Vote by her latest transgression.
Tanus was banished and none of this came back to hurt Viktor while he was alive. Viktor perceived the situation controlling Markus to a tee for hundreds of years. 🙂
Viktor just woke up. He wasn't there to see her interact with Michael at all. He tried to kill Michael the moment he saw him. You're an idiot. You act like he chaperoned their interactions. Quit being so stupid. Kraven was a traitor but Selene awakened Viktor who became aware of his plotting so that didn't stop him either.
Viktor still was never challenged by Markus.
Markus is the correct spelling of the name you ignorant fool. I detest ignoring fanboys such as yourself who don't even know the proper spelling is his name.
In evolution prologue it clearly states,
Markus, bitten by bat, became the blood leader of the vampires.
A clear "k" just like Viktor is spelled with a "k." Go back to Wikipedia where they continuously spell it wrong.
In the movie you idiot they spell it Markus.
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Originally posted by quanchi112What movie version did he defeat Michael? The one that was shown in the US, he did not defeat Michael and used help from his men when fighting Michael.
I already have. He wins in the same manner he defeated a faster and more powerful hybrid in Michael. Viktor is powerful and cunning enough to get the win here.
Since you are making up your own version of the movie your concession is accepted once again.
Originally posted by Kotor3Viktor was about to kill him before Selene intervened. If you deny Viktor had him at his mercy then you're a delusional poster who just denies facts. I will never deny a fact. Ever.
What movie version did he defeat Michael? The one that was shown in the US, he did not defeat Michael and used help from his men when fighting Michael.Since you are making up your own version of the movie your concession is accepted once again.
Marcus wins. Eldest vampire (ie Original Vamp Elder), made more powerful by the Lycan blood and most importantly, he didn't get his head split in two like some chump by baseline vampire. Selene had to amp with the OG Corvinus immortal blood to take down Marcus.
Anyone who argues differently is arguing against the films and is factually an imbecile 👆
Originally posted by Robtard
Marcus wins. Eldest vampire (ie Original Vamp Elder), made more powerful by the Lycan blood and most importantly, he didn't get his head split in two like some chump by baseline vampire. Selene had to amp with the OG Corvinus immortal blood to take down Marcus.Anyone who argues differently is arguing against the films and is factually an imbecile 👆
But...but tactics?!
Originally posted by RobtardMarkus is spelled with k, wiki warrior.
Marcus wins. Eldest vampire (ie Original Vamp Elder), made more powerful by the Lycan blood and most importantly, he didn't get his head split in two like some chump by baseline vampire. Selene had to amp with the OG Corvinus immortal blood to take down Marcus.Anyone who argues differently is arguing against the films and is factually an imbecile 👆
He was cheapshotted. She couldn't directly take him on. She killed Markus straight up. He also failed to kill her throughout the film. She didn't suddenly turn on him.
Viktor wins over Markus. At least spell his name right. I'd figure with bashar correcting you left and right you'd do your homework.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Markus is spelled with k, wiki warrior.He was cheapshotted. She couldn't directly take him on. She killed Markus straight up. He also failed to kill her throughout the film. She didn't suddenly turn on him.
Viktor wins over Markus. At least spell his name right. I'd figure with bashar correcting you left and right you'd do your homework.
Either works. It also looks better with a C, loser.
Now you're making excuses again. Selene had to amp herself to take down Marcus. Marcus defeated an older, more experienced and more powerful Michael. Did you even pay attention to these awful films?
Good job showing everyone that you're factually an imbecile who argues against film lore 👆
ps I love how I totally bonded you two <3.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He took an advantageous position and attacked after he came after him. That's all. Lucian was coming to kill him. Quit being a woman about battle. I call weakness exploitation boxing him in to be the on,u reason he won because it's true. Viktor will die in the su light so he had no choice and survived anyways. 😂No, he parried with her and was not trying to kill her. He explained that ruse was to draw out Lucian. He was appalled by her actions but at no point tried to kill her. He took her prisoner he didn't even kill her then to put her to a. Vote by her latest transgression.
Tanus was banished and none of this came back to hurt Viktor while he was alive. Viktor perceived the situation controlling Markus to a tee for hundreds of years. 🙂
Viktor just woke up. He wasn't there to see her interact with Michael at all. He tried to kill Michael the moment he saw him. You're an idiot. You act like he chaperoned their interactions. Quit being so stupid. Kraven was a traitor but Selene awakened Viktor who became aware of his plotting so that didn't stop him either.
Viktor still was never challenged by Markus.
Markus is the correct spelling of the name you ignorant fool. I detest ignoring fanboys such as yourself who don't even know the proper spelling is his name.
In evolution prologue it clearly states,
[B]Markus, bitten by bat, became the blood leader of the vampires.
A clear "k" just like Viktor is spelled with a "k." Go back to Wikipedia where they continuously spell it wrong.
In the movie you idiot they spell it Markus.
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If Viktor was so powerful.. why did he flee when he saw Lucian coming? Why did he hide when Lucian went down there looking for him and spring up from the side to attack him if he could take him easily? Lucian still easily parried the cheapshot. The reality is, Lucain maneuvered Viktor into that position. He beat him, plain and simple
Lies, he ACTIVELY swung his sword at her to kill her or hurt her. He was simply just blocking attacks, he was attacking back. Guess what, he was disarmed for his troubles and easily beaten. No he wasn't trying to lure Lucian back and that's why he lost to his daughter WUT?? you're so dumb sometimes it's unreal. HE HAD ALREADY lured him back. He was coming back to get her already, that is how he ended up fighting his daughter because he was already lured back. That isn't why he lost, he lost because he's usually beaten by anybody with a little bit of skill. We see him ACTIVELY swing his sword at her... and NO POINT did he say he had no plans to kill her or that he was faking the fight. Movie scenes greater than your conjecture. Either post the narration that says he was trying to kill her, or we'll just go with what we can all see, he was.
Doesn't matter if it didn't come back to bite him while he was alive. It was foolish for him to even take the chance in keeping him alive you buffoon. That was the mistake. Luckily it didn't come out sooner, but the reality is he should've eliminated him long ago, but like usual he's a moron
Selene BECAME aware of his plotting NOT Viktor, that piss poor strategist didn't have the faintest clue Kraven was going to betray him. That moron didn't even know Kraven faked Lucian's whole death. He put Kraven in charge, that is how piss poor his judgment is. LUCKILY he was awoken but not by his own doing or because he knew what was going on. Others perceived his idiotic choices and figure out the real deal. Buffoonery
The reality is, Viktor as shown by the movies is a horrible strategist and terrible at putting the right people in charge. he's terrible and figuring out what is really going on, even when a 5th grader could figure it out. he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, then again, neither are you which is why you must like him.
I've seen it spelled both ways.. Underworlds own movie page spells it with a C... so does wiki... so do many other sites. Nice try though
Originally posted by quanchi112
Viktor was about to kill him before Selene intervened. If you deny Viktor had him at his mercy then you're a delusional poster who just denies facts. I will never deny a fact. Ever.
Clownshoes, did you forget that Viktor needed help from his death dealers who fired numerous bullets into him. Did you forget that Viktor was wielding a sword while Michael wasn't armed at all. Odd considering how formidable and powerful you claim he is.
I do think Viktor got jobbed out. He did casually manhandle a werewolf. Selene seeing werewolves..her response was "run the hell away" not "grab and easily crush neck". Then suddenly she's flipping around and half his damn face is falling off. Then suddenly a few movies later he fights Lucian and doesn't take him out with a few punches. Whoever created this series hates Viktor.
Originally posted by quanchi112Kill him is your assumption. Also, Viktor had help when fighting Michael. Viktor had him in a choke hold that is it. There was nothing to indicate that Michael had no strength to breakthrough.
Viktor was about to kill him before Selene intervened. If you deny Viktor had him at his mercy then you're a delusional poster who just denies facts. I will never deny a fact. Ever.
LOL at you never denying a fact. You never deny facts that you make up.