Team Cap vs Team Arrow

Originally posted by KingD19
He's been shot in the back of the neck with a bullet(barely), and just recently could only stop 2 of the 3 bullets Joe shot at that shapeshifter. If he could only stop 2 rounds from a pistol, what's he going to do against automatic weaponry from at least two different people?

You mean he caught a bullet fired from a blindspot. How is that a bad showing? And you to omitted a key detail about the 3 bullets, in that he ran smack dab into a forcefield designed to stop speedsters while reaching for the last one. He would have stopped all three if it wasn't for the barrier.

Team 2 wins.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes yes, more "Watch the Show"

Anyways, Firestorm and Flash destroy them.

So you're not going to try and counter any of the stuff I pointed out from episodes as recent as the past 2-3 weeks?

I could bring up how he was having trouble with the laser eye dude and the mist guy in this weeks episode. Or how when it's not the most important thing in the world like saving Joe's life, he got hit by lightning.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
LOL at acting like they share the same mental powers GG does. Did you even watch the show? 😂

So Grodd's still vaguely defined mental powers made him fast enough to catch Barry's punch where he'd been building up speed for over 5 miles?

This match is in character which is the only reason I'm arguing against Flash and Crew. Because in character, Barry gets taken down by lesser people than this team on a fairly consistent basis.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You mean he caught a bullet fired from a blindspot. How is that a bad showing? And you to omitted a key detail about the 3 bullets, in that he ran smack dab into a forcefield designed to stop speedsters while reaching for the last one. He would have stopped all three if it wasn't for the barrier.

Team 2 wins.

You're right about the forcefield. I forgot about that part.

Still, I'm sure you've seen every episode. Going in character do you think Flash will be as effective as people are thinking? This is normal Flash, not "Save Joe/Iris Flash" or "Save the city from a Tsunami Flash".

Originally posted by KingD19
So Grodd's still vaguely defined mental powers made him fast enough to catch Barry's punch where he'd been building up speed for over 5 miles?

This match is in character which is the only reason I'm arguing against Flash and Crew. Because in character, Barry gets taken down by lesser people than this team on a fairly consistent basis.

Lol, quit downplaying Grodd, he was insanely beyond Superhuman levels and had obvious TP abilities. As well as insane superhuman strength and durability.

Adding in Firestrom and Arrow here is just over kill, the match is spite to start with, as everyone has stated. Arguing a spite thread is something stupid.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Lol, quit downplaying Grodd, he was insanely beyond Superhuman levels and had obvious TP abilities. As well as insane superhuman strength and durability. And yes he had telepathy, he could control people and talk through them as shown by puppeting Eiling, and basically force feed his memories into someones brain as torture.

His strength and durability are unquestionable. I said nothing about them as he got hit by a train, stopped Barry's super speed punch, and took a lot of blitz punches with no problem.

He was not superhumanly fast however. He's pretty agile as he was climbing buildings and hopping pretty far, but none of that should have given him the speed to catch Barry's punch considering how he moved the rest of the time.

Arrow wins even if you switch Barry with someone like Slade or Malcom.

Originally posted by KingD19
So you're not going to try and counter any of the stuff I pointed out from episodes as recent as the past 2-3 weeks?

I could bring up how he was having trouble with the laser eye dude and the mist guy in this weeks episode. Or how when it's not the most important thing in the world like saving Joe's life, he got hit by lightning.

I didn't realize people in OP had lasers or lightning guns.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I didn't realize people in OP had lasers or lightning guns.

They don't. But three of them have guns. And it wasn't a lightning gun, Weather Wizard actually controls the weather.

Again, this is in character Barry. In character Barry who gets tagged by stuff that shouldn't even be within a mile of him at least once per episode.

Originally posted by KingD19
They don't. But three of them have guns. And it wasn't a lightning gun, Weather Wizard actually controls the weather.

Again, this is in character Barry. In character Barry who gets tagged by stuff that shouldn't even be within a mile of him at least once per episode.

It was a joke..cmon! Yes they have guns, they don't have lasers or the ability to use lightning..

You can say him fighting in Character all you want, but then I could say Cap was fighting in character against Quicksilver and so was Thor, and QS was able to do it.

Also Flash has way more experience then QS and is faster.

So I really don't know what you are saying, if by character you mean he fights stupid, then he can create a diversion and firestorm and arrow can dominate the fight.

Are you really suggesting Cap stops his 5.3 mile punch like Grodd did if they fighting in character?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
It was a joke..cmon! Yes they have guns, they don't have lasers or the ability to use lightning..

You can say him fighting in Character all you want, but then I could say Cap was fighting in character against Quicksilver and so was Thor, and QS was able to do it.

Also Flash has way more experience then QS and is faster.

So I really don't know what you are saying, if by character you mean he fights stupid, then he can create a diversion and firestorm and arrow can dominate the fight.

Are you really suggesting Cap stops his 5.3 mile punch like Grodd did if they fighting in character?

I don't joke with you. All we do is argue. Or begrudingly agree on something...then argue later. That's our thing...well it's your thing with everyone.

Flash is faster than Pietro on occasion. Not all the time.

Lol at Arrow dominating against Bucky and Cap. Arrow definitely gets shot.

Firestorm could do some serious damage, but he's not bulletproof as far as I know so he's just as much in danger of getting popped from well outside the range of his flames.

No bfr in this match. Going 5 miles away from the battleground would be a self BFR. I'm not sure if he could stop it; more often than not I'd say no. If he was looking at Flash as he ran toward him there's a possibility he'd get his shield up in time and probably break Barry's hand in the process.

But it's a moot point as his mach punch has only been done twice and both times it was something of a disaster.

Oh ok, we can't debate anymore in fear or a argument or disagreement.

I guess what's the point of coming here to debate then.

The whole forum argues and debates.

Its not just "my thing."

I treat everyone the same..

I never pick sides, I don't choose bias, each thread is different, and you think cause we agree sometimes and disagree other times is a big deal.

If everyone agreed on everything then we could all just sit on our thumbs.

If Team 1 had Quicksilver I would say Team 1 wins.. its that easy..I dont care if one side is marvel or dc. I only like Superman in DC, thats it. I care less about the war btw marvel/dc fanboys.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Oh ok, we can't debate anymore in fear or a argument or disagreement.

I guess what's the point of coming here to debate then.

The whole forum argues and debates.

Its not just "my thing."

I treat everyone the same..

If I left because of every person I disagreed with, I'd never be on here. I'm not as stubborn as Quan, but it's not that easy to get rid of me.

F*cking Quan, man.

Originally posted by KingD19
If I left because of every person I disagreed with, I'd never be on here. I'm not as stubborn as Quan, but it's not that easy to get rid of me.

F*cking Quan, man.

Lol, so then why can't we joke. cause I dont have any animosity towards you. Only person on the board I cant stand is Riv..

Originally posted by KingD19
Still, I'm sure you've seen every episode. Going in character do you think Flash will be as effective as people are thinking? This is normal Flash, not "Save Joe/Iris Flash" or "Save the city from a Tsunami Flash".

Thing is he also has consistent showings of totally blitzing, disarming, and even stripping and handcuffing people, before they can respond. And in recent times, he has been portrayed as generally operating at a higher level. Look at his fight with the shapeshifter. He easily blocked every hit (well, when not blinded) and knocked him around like a ragdoll. Once he got the mace out of his eyes it was totally one-sided.

YouTube video

He has been consistently portrayed at operating at these kinds of levels in recent episodes. Grodd is actually an outlier compared to Barry's other more recent showings.

Just look at the fight with Wells in the last episode. Arrow and Firestorm couldn't do shit while Barry and Wells were going at it at full speed. Both needed to take moments to basically sneak attack Wells to have any chance of hitting him. Decent durability feats for Barry as well, like getting tossed a good 50 feet away, into the side of a building, without taking any real damage.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Lol, so then why can't we joke. cause I dont have any animosity towards you. Only person on the board I cant stand is Riv..

Because I'm never sure if you're joking or being serious, lol. Or both...it's like an angry question wrapped inside a grumpy enigma.

I'll put j/k tags in if I'm joking. Make it easier cause we have had this mis understanding a few times. that will make it easier.

Time for some fact clean up on the Dc side because certain posters are lying about facts.

Grodd caught Barry's supersonic punch fairly, Barry had on a headband that blocked tp.

I should also point out Barry has only 1 potential LS feat and it was a meta human's lightning, as of now it takes Barry multiple miles of running in a straight line to build up to Mach 1. Ironman Mk. 2 could do that speed.

Firestorm is a glass cannon, he got knocked out by a powerful gust of wind.

Also Ollie tanked blood lusted Barry beating on him.
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This isn't spite unless you don't watch the shows.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
I should also point out Barry has only 1 potential LS feat and it was a meta human's lightning, as of now it takes Barry multiple miles of running in a straight line to build up to Mach 1. Ironman Mk. 2 could do that speed.

So you are going to ignore all the other instances where he is clearly moving at supersonic speeds without a build up? Like dodging lightning, while carrying Joe, when Weather Wizard attacked their car? Lightning that generally moves at around 3,700 miles per second. Admittedly, it's probably his top speed feat, but he did it out of a sitting position, so he clearly doesn't need a run up, if push comes to shove.

I class his fight with Grodd with his fight against Heatwave/Cold, at the same level of stupid. Based on feats, he shouldn't have needed 5.3 miles to do that. Hell, after he did it the first time, they kept going on about how much faster and faster he was getting as the show progressed. And in the other showings, as the series moved along, we can visibly pick this up.

All his other... You mean the one I mentioned. And you're assuming Weather Wizard's lightning is the same as normal lightning. Barry fails with much slower than light speed and has no travel feats above Mach 1.

...as the show progressed? It was 1 episode ago that Grodd & Barry fought. Barry isn't fast enough on consistent showings to be compared with either movie QS.