Originally posted by ODG
He can do that?
I understand Johnny is no herald, but neither is Reed (power wise, not his 'prep skillz' using his intellect), Thing or even Sue.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Oh ok wonder how his track record is against namor then
Originally posted by ODG
^ I didn't even read your prior scan properly, lol.Totally missed it. Wonder why he doesn't use that ability more often.
Just like they don't bother using Namor's more exotic abilities. The fact that he can mimic the powers of sea life (he's done it more than once) and the fact that he's effectively immune to electricity/electrical attacks.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh i just dont see it. That's an extreme outlier. Johnny dont have the chops to hang with high metas. I mean who has he beaten?
If he wanted to cut loose and go for the kill, he could take out Thing (who is a low level Cl100 brick).
Originally posted by zopzopIn terms of a straight up fight, power for power, Johnny would demolish Reed and Ben. Sue eclipses him but then again Sue eclipses a lot of high metas.
IMHO, Johnny is more powerful than either of those two. His nova blast alone has more raw power than Cy or AM can reproduce. Then you have his heat manipulation powers which are awesome. He can either ignite the environment around him into an inferno OR he can DRAIN heat from it (this is how he beat Gravition, a legit team buster) :
I don't understand how he, the HT, is rated so low on this forum all of a sudden. [/B]
Originally posted by zopzop
IMHO, Johnny is more powerful than either of those two. His nova blast alone has more raw power than Cy or AM can reproduce. Then you have his heat manipulation powers which are awesome. He can either ignite the environment around him into an inferno OR he can DRAIN heat from it (this is how he beat Gravition, a legit team buster) :
lol you are using an extremely low showing of Graviton and an extremely high showing of HT filled with CIS and PIS to create a false impression of HT average.
anyway not only have Graviton easily endured the freezing vacuum of space, but the heat of the sun directly:
then there's also the fact that Graviton has easily held in place for hours the F4 along with every hero of NY simultaneously
Originally posted by zopzop I don't understand how he, the HT, is rated so low on this forum all of a sudden.
b/c he brags a lot but hasn't really done anything
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Strange, it shows up for me?But yeah, it shows Johnny blasting Gladiator with his full nova blast - and Glads just laughing it off.
A million degrees *should* damage way more than just a city block - based on the scans seen so far of the nova blast actually being used, with some comments:
[b]For - Human Torch would obliterate all these guys:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/1334956-torch2.jpg (boasting by Johnny)
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/36037/746282-897621-ht1.jpg (this was a Johnny who was powered by EVERY OTHER Johnny in the mulitverse)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/40000/1069839-untitled_7.png
(good one. rivals a star. Hyperbole?)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121521/2880116-2343963_1_super.jpg
(burn LIKE the sun? Hyperbole.)Against - Everyone tanks it, except Batman, who kicks the flame back at his face:
http://s21.postimg.org/ur1pd4l9v/Terrax_Bio_8.jpg
(It's Terrax, though...hardly the weakest of characters)
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/36037/746281-absorptionnovablastks3.jpg
(such power....rivals that of a starship. Tony shit talking?)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/1334972-torch3.jpg
(nuke blast - small potatoes when we're talking about these guys)
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans10/FF249_vsGladiator6.jpg
(city block razing - so backs the nuke size and starship size up). [/B]
Originally posted by zopzop
It's not that he's 'not that powerful', he is. It's just that he's outclassed a lot of the times by the villains the FF face (which usually need Reed to "chef up" something to beat them).He's easily the second most powerful member of the FF and extremely versatile. He's a fast flier, can control any source of flame (either snuffing it out or amping it or using it to make shapes like decoys of himself to confuse the enemy), he can fire powerful blasts of plasma, his nova blast is no joke, he can draw heat out of his opponents or the air (he used this technique to beat Graviton).
As to the thread :
He loses to -
Superman
Wonder Woman
GL HalHe can pull majority wins against -
Cyborg
Aquaman
BatmanI don't know how he'd fare vs Flash. I know Flash can literally run circles around him but what could Flash do if Torch stays airborne and starts draining heat from the environment, or sets it all afire, or goes nova?
Please tell me your joking! Unless he goes Super Nova no way is he beating Cyborg let alone Batman. Aquaman would depend on what version and where they are fighting but more often than not Aquaman beas him also. As for Flash, I don't know whether to laugh at your post, get mad or cry over your lack of knowledge of said character. One of Flash Rogues gallery is a person called Heat Wave and guess what he can do? Depending on the version he either has the powers internally or he use a gun. The thing is his gun allows him to do everything the HT can do except Fly & Super Nova. Now before you start saying HT can stay in the air and Blast Flash, numerous people have tried it before and it never worked for one thing Flash is considerably faster than HT and the other Flash can create Hurricanes, Wind Blast and Vacuums to shut down the HT. There's probably half a dozen other ways Flash could easily beat the HT but this post is already long enough. If you want I'll list them later.
Originally posted by zopzop
In terms of a straight up fight, power for power, Johnny would demolish Reed and Ben. Sue eclipses him but then again Sue eclipses a lot of high metas.IMHO, Johnny is more powerful than either of those two. His nova blast alone has more raw power than Cy or AM can reproduce. Then you have his heat manipulation powers which are awesome. He can either ignite the environment around him into an inferno OR he can DRAIN heat from it (this is how he beat Gravition, a legit team buster) :
I don't understand how he, the HT, is rated so low on this forum all of a sudden. [/B]
How often has he used said power?
Originally posted by Surtur
Johnny being able to defeat Graviton sounds like nonsense. We had Spider-Man vs Firelord. Now we have another one, Human Torch vs Graviton.
Originally posted by zopzop
If you think that's a high showing for HT or a low showing for Graviton, that's fine. I just wanted to show HT draining heat from an opponent. If Graviton hadn't upped his density to a ridiculous level earlier (to prevent from catching fire), he'd have frozen solid.
But instead of raising the density of himself why didn't he just snap Torches neck and be done with it? Did he even have his forcefield up?
