Human Torch Vs JLA

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So the guy who shits on anything and throws it under the bus if even the slightest thing bothers him is in here defending Human Torch?

Might as well just start defending Rhino while saying everything else in Marvel is stupid and bad writing

Thanks for taking up HTs side.

Originally posted by zopzop
The HT is very underrated. He has a fairly robust powerset and some incredible showings for his tier (even in his early career he absorbed the heat and radiation from an exploding nuke and diffused it harmlessly into space, sure he exhausted himself as a result but it's still damn impressive).

Originally posted by Sin I AM

Lol u wanna bz to see if he can cut even against another high meta?

Zop, you are all over the place with how you defend/neglect certain characters but overall, I agree with your argument on human torch.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lol u wanna bz to see if he can cut even against another high meta?

Then you have his respectable maneuverability and speed in flight and his nova blast.

He's a top tier 'mid' meta AT THE VERY LEAST or a high meta at best.

"Mid" meta at best? 🙄

Agree to disagree. Just don't see him putting down anyone worth their salt. He's the epitome of glass Canon

The only members he could reliably beat are a non-prepped Batman and perhaps Aquaman. Superman, Wonder Woman, GL, and Flash are all way above his league.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Agree to disagree. Just don't see him putting down anyone worth their salt. He's the epitome of glass Canon

Originally posted by zopzop
Well according to Stilt, he's used it at least one other time vs Gambit.

Twice really isn't enough for me to think he'd to it regularly, tbh.

Also not sure that absorbing heat from Aquaman would be a good idea in the first place, but that's me.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Twice really isn't enough for me to think he'd to it regularly, tbh.

Also not sure that absorbing heat from Aquaman would be a good idea in the first place, but that's me.

The only thing that saved Gravition from it was that he had already MASSIVELY increased his density.

Originally posted by riv6672
Unfortunately, this is the popular opinion.

Don't beat yourself up. Not everyone can be the best. Some people have to be scrubs

Originally posted by zopzop
That's because it's such a 'cheaty' move. It would be an instant win against anyone not able to counter it.

The only thing that saved Gravition from it was that he had already MASSIVELY increased his density.

So a "cheaty" win isn't the average in this case, then.

Originally posted by -Pr-
So a "cheaty" win isn't the average in this case, then.

Why exactly does this ability, that's CLEARLY within his powerset (heat manipulation), seem suspect to you?

To be fair, Flash has used the IMP about four times in his career....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
To be fair, Flash has used the IMP about four times in his career....

Like Human Torch

I think Marvel is rightly aware that burning people alive is a lot more horrible than punching them out, so HT often gets relegated to a supporting role in fights against humanoid, non-doombot, enemies. It dosen't make him look as impressive as he really is.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Flash also sucks though

Like Human Torch

👆

Originally posted by zopzop
I don't understand what's so controversial about this tactic (draining heat) of his. It's not like he hasn't done it vs energy attacks (Blastaar, exploding nuke), vs ambient heat (in an exploding gas station), and at least twice vs humanoid opponents (Graviton and Gambit).

Why exactly does this ability, that's CLEARLY within his powerset (heat manipulation), seem suspect to you?

I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm asking how likely he is to do it in the average fight.

Like someone mentioned, Flash's IMP has been done sparsely. How many times has Superman sung someone out of existence? How many times has Cyclops used his "OML" blast?

High outliers are named as such because that's what they are, and I definitely think this falls in to that category. You don't have to agree; it's perfectly fine. It's just imo.