Meetra Surik vs. ROTJ Luke Skywalker (lightsabers only)

Originally posted by Jmanghan
ROTJ Luke beat Vader in pure sabers though...

Where do you even put Meetra in terms of tiering???

What has Meetra ever done that is even close to that?

He didn't though, he was on the Back foot the entire time and only actually won when a rage induced force-strength match with Vader put him ahead. Vader wasn't trying to kill him, he was trying to convert him, Luke had no such reservations at that point.

Oh, and Meetra beat a superior force user on a "Collosal geyser of pure dark side energy" that made her physically ill, using her skills with a blade. Noting of course that Traya was herself a Lightsaber Master.

Kotor 2 Exile tier wise? Idk, I vary a lot.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Revan would probably win, being god and all. The Heart of the Force, and some such nonsense.

Surik would probably make him work for it, but without her Force advantage, she'd still lose against RotJ Luke. She'd have a chance against ESB Luke, though.

See, Lightsaber only includes all saber bolstering powers, and Force Enlightenment is literally the highest tier of Saber-boosting powers you can have, tbh.

That's why I said he'd have to work for it. Unless you mean against Revan, and then that's just a lost cause.

Originally posted by Selenial
He didn't though, he was on the Back foot the entire time and only actually won when a rage induced force-strength match with Vader put him ahead. Vader wasn't trying to kill him, he was trying to convert him, Luke had no such reservations at that point.

Oh, and Meetra beat a superior force user on a "Collosal geyser of pure dark side energy" that made her physically ill, using her skills with a blade. Noting of course that Traya was herself a Lightsaber Master.

Kotor 2 Exile tier wise? Idk, I vary a lot.

Force rage is not a real force power, it's a stupid move in TFU that I've never ever seen used anywhere else.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's why I said he'd have to work for it. Unless you mean against Revan, and then that's just a lost cause.

Yeh but I'm confused by your logic. Let's analyse this right?

I've said she has: Speed advantage, Strength advantage, knowledge advantage, skill advantage, experience advantage and more.

Y'all's response is: He beat Vader doe.

Well, no. There were other reasons behind why he beat Vader. We don't have conclusive evidence to say Surik wouldn't, they've never fought. A>B>C logic is fail logic, so prove he's better at any of the above categories and we'll talk.

No, he beat Vader legit, and it is canon (apparently) that Vader = ROTJ Luke.

How does the Exile have a speed, strength, and skill advantage? "He beat Vader doe," is good evidence that she lacks all of those things here, and knowledge won't exactly make her a Battlemaster.

Also, Luke was holding back way more in the beginning then Vader was, at least Vader was actively trying to attack him, when Luke was all "I will not fight you, Father".

Seriously, Luke didn't even make an attempt to hurt him in the slightest until Vader started spouting all that shit about Leia.

Then, Luke beat Vader, badly.

LIKE, really, REALLY badly.

REALLY REALLY badly?

I have no idea why that made me laugh so hard.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Force rage is not a real force power, it's a stupid move in TFU that I've never ever seen used anywhere else.

Please stop, this post made me lose faith in the fanbase(or what was left of it at least).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yet Revan would still "kick her ass." 👆

I'm siding with Luke. The guy fought Vader to a stalemate in pure lightsabers - I'm not sure even Revan could do that.

Luke probably takes this in a decent fight if anything. I'm not sure where to rank her in terms of skill, but none of what's being posted suggests she could defeat someone who can fight on even terms with Vader.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your lack of faith in Revan is disturbing.

Shots fired.

revan and his fanboys sux tbh

Meetra is a highly competent lightsaber combatant, IMHO. She outdueled Fallen Jedi Master Atris, Handmaidens, Darth Sion, Darth Traya and Imperial Guards. This is very impressive performance since most of these opponents are officially master swordsmen.

A single loss doesn't takes away from Meetra's holistic performance. Luke Skywalker have lost and struggled in battles too, do we hold his losses and struggles against him?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
revan and his fanboys sux tbh

Originally posted by Based
Shots fired.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Meetra is a highly competent lightsaber combatant, IMHO. She outdueled Fallen Jedi Master Atris, Handmaidens, Darth Sion, Darth Traya and Imperial Guards. This is very impressive performance since most of these opponents are officially master swordsmen.

A single loss doesn't takes away from Meetra's holistic performance. Luke Skywalker have lost and struggled in battles too, do we hold his losses and struggles against him?

Saesee Tiin was a "master swordsman".

Let that sink in for a bit.

Meetra has feats to put her very easily above Saesee Tiin, though. She just has nothing to indicate she can defeat someone that bested Vader. Saesee is quite literally nothing but accolades and a brief spar with Windu