Loki vs Obi-wan Kenobi

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is a trollish request. It's like saying prove superman can fly. I'm not wasting my time proving a given.

You are ignoring the context. Obi did not kill Jango. Obi was also rescued because on his own he got captured. Dumb move. Lucky for Obi yoda and the clones showed up to save a group of jedis about to be overwhelmed by droids who are forceless. 😂

You're a massive clod who doesn't know what he's saying or doing most of the time.

His reflexes, speed, and sword skills are still force amped.

Being outfought doesn't mean you lack skill. Dooku roasted Obi so by your narrow and retarded views to Dooku his skills are shit. I'm smarter than you.

Nothing of the sort. Thor's skill isn't engrained in pop-culture like Superman flying is.

Unluckily for Jango, one of those Jedi owned him, and in front of his own son, too. Now, if he hadn't fled from Obi-Wan all of that could have been avoided. Too bad he was a coward.

Getting defensive, are we? How about you start addressing my points instead of just trying to dodge everything? You're a bigger p*ssy than Jango.

Now you have to provide proof that his skills are amped.

And yet he has been consistently outfought and overpowered by brutes like Hulk. Thor's skill is shit tier. Yeah, Dooku is a better swordsman than AotC Obi-Wan. That was obvious. Great work, genius.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Nothing of the sort. Thor's skill isn't engrained in pop-culture like Superman flying is.

Unluckily for Jango, one of those Jedi owned him, and in front of his own son, too. Now, if he hadn't fled from Obi-Wan all of that could have been avoided. Too bad he was a coward.

Getting defensive, are we? How about you start addressing my points instead of just trying to dodge everything? You're a bigger p*ssy than Jango.

Now you have to provide proof that his skills are amped.

And yet he has been consistently outfought and overpowered by brutes like Hulk. Thor's skill is shit tier. Yeah, Dooku is a better swordsman than AotC Obi-Wan. That was obvious. Great work, genius.

Jango killed a Jedi and died to mace due to his jetpack being short circuited. Ok, let's go with your shitty logic. Obi had Vader defeated but what happened in new hope ? What atrocities to Vader commit after rots that Obi could have prevented had he just finished the job. What an idiot--psychotron logic

More pointless flaming from an idiot.

So you believe Jedi and Sith could jump as far as they jump or strike as hard without the force. Do you even watch these films ? Honestly.

Yoda can barely even walk without his force abilities you halfwit.

Not due to hulks skill edge but due to his relentless and superior physicality. Wtf.

Dooku crushed him in rots as well. What guys are beating on Thor due to superior skill like Dooku defeated Obi with.

Examples.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was an analogy you clod. Anyone half familiar with the marvel character Thor knows he's skilled with his weapon.

Jango killed a Jedi and died to mace due to his jetpack being short circuited. Ok, let's go with your shitty logic. Obi had Vader defeated but what happened in new hope ? What atrocities to Vader commit after rots that Obi could have prevented had he just finished the job. What an idiot--psychotron logic

More pointless flaming from an idiot.

So you believe Jedi and Sith could jump as far as they jump or strike as hard without the force. Do you even watch these films ? Honestly.

Yoda can barely even walk without his force abilities you halfwit.

Not due to hulks skill edge but due to his relentless and superior physicality. Wtf.

Dooku crushed him in rots as well. What guys are beating on Thor due to superior skill like Dooku defeated Obi with.

Examples.

The comic version, perhaps, MCU Thor hasn't shown anything more than basic brawling skills.

He killed some fodder Jedi, who wasn't even focused on him. His jetpack's malfunction is entirely his own fault. He has no one to blame for being a moron. WTF does Obi-Wan not finishing Vader have to do with this? Your analogy is moronic.

Stop acting like a coward and I won't have to call you one.

Are you retarded? Serious question. Enhanced physical abilities have nothing to do with martial SKILL. SKILL means knowing how to fight, how to hit, how to parry, how to dodge, muscle memory, etc. It has nothing to do with how strong or fast a character is. Jesus Christ.

😆 Because it enhances his body, not his knowledge of walking. Did you think Yoda couldn't walk without the Force in his younger years? 😆

If Thor was so good his skill would have closed the gap between himself and Hulk. That didn't happen.

Dooku took him out with the Force, not martial might. Watch the movies before you try to debate.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The comic version, perhaps, MCU Thor hasn't shown anything more than basic brawling skills.

He killed some fodder Jedi, who wasn't even focused on him. His jetpack's malfunction is entirely his own fault. He has no one to blame for being a moron. WTF does Obi-Wan not finishing Vader have to do with this? Your analogy is moronic.

Stop acting like a coward and I won't have to call you one.

Are you retarded? Serious question. Enhanced physical abilities have nothing to do with martial SKILL. SKILL means knowing how to fight, how to hit, how to parry, how to dodge, muscle memory, etc. It has nothing to do with how strong or fast a character is. Jesus Christ.

😆 Because it enhances his body, not his knowledge of walking. Did you think Yoda couldn't walk without the Force in his younger years? 😆

If Thor was so good his skill would have closed the gap between himself and Hulk. That didn't happen.

Dooku took him out with the Force, not martial might. Watch the movies before you try to debate.

Yes, the guy was since he blocked a blast or two. Jango beat him. Jango also stalemated Obi. He was roughing up Obi. He didn't use a lot of skill in and to hand fighting and instead just beat Obi up. Obi also is moronic when fighting that he kicked Grievous which hurt himself. So according to you his skill is off since he did so and its how to fight. 😄

Obi's magnitude is affected by his force abilities. Obi can't jump really far on his own he needs the force, etc.

It enhances their physical attributes. Yoda can't walk without a cane without the force. 😂

Game, set, match.

Thor didn't lose. Hulk is physically more impressive and Thor was holding back against an ally. 🙂

Obi uses the force as well. Force skills applied during combat is skill. Dooku caught the dumb ass off guard. Dooku owns Obi.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you believe Thor is not skilled in any manner with the hammer besides some dumb brawler. 😂

Yes, the guy was since he blocked a blast or two. Jango beat him. Jango also stalemated Obi. He was roughing up Obi. He didn't use a lot of skill in and to hand fighting and instead just beat Obi up. Obi also is moronic when fighting that he kicked Grievous which hurt himself. So according to you his skill is off since he did so and its how to fight. 😄

Obi's magnitude is affected by his force abilities. Obi can't jump really far on his own he needs the force, etc.

It enhances their physical attributes. Yoda can't walk without a cane without the force. 😂

Game, set, match.

Thor didn't lose. Hulk is physically more impressive and Thor was holding back against an ally. 🙂

Obi uses the force as well. Force skills applied during combat is skill. Dooku caught the dumb ass off guard. Dooku owns Obi.

He is about as skilled as any other man unless he has feats to suggest otherwise. On the other hand, Obi-Wan is a swordmaster.

So? He's still some random fodder Jedi. The difference is that Jango was armored and had most of his equipment, while Obi-Wan was unarmed, had his hands tied, and was still laying the smackdown on Jango to the point where Jango had to flee. Not to mention that Obi-Wan was not even at his prime yet. As for Grevious, Obi-Wan cut off 2 of his hands and killed him in the end.

Yeah, but his sword and H2H skills are still the same with or without the Force. It only affects his physical stats.

Which has nothing to do with skill.

Hulk was dominating him. Kurse was raping him. Ultron manhandled him with one arm. Where were Thor's skills then?

Yeah, Dooku is better than Obi-Wan. He'd beat Loki even easier.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He is about as skilled as any other man unless he has feats to suggest otherwise. On the other hand, Obi-Wan is a swordmaster.

So? He's still some random fodder Jedi. The difference is that Jango was armored and had most of his equipment, while Obi-Wan was unarmed, had his hands tied, and was still laying the smackdown on Jango to the point where Jango had to flee. Not to mention that Obi-Wan was not even at his prime yet. As for Grevious, Obi-Wan cut off 2 of his hands and killed him in the end.

Yeah, but his sword and H2H skills are still the same with or without the Force. It only affects his physical stats.

Which has nothing to do with skill.

Hulk was dominating him. Kurse was raping him. Ultron manhandled him with one arm. Where were Thor's skills then?

Yeah, Dooku is better than Obi-Wan. He'd beat Loki even easier.

So what ? You cite random fodder people the Jedi kill. Obi had his sword but the swordmaster lost his sword after one attack ? Was he able to get it back with his force powers ? 🙂

Yes, Obi is more of a swordmaster than Grievous but still looked like an idiot kicking him. That's noobish skill.

Hulk was dominating him due to his superior strength and relentless nature. Thor was holding back though. Obi was not holding back against Grievous.

Based on ?

Originally posted by Psychotron

And yet he has been consistently outfought and overpowered by brutes like Hulk. Thor's skill is shit tier.

Don't recall any instance where movie Thor has ever been outfought by Hulk nor by any brute for that matter.

It didn't even seem like Thor was holding back when he fought Hulk. Remember the guy had just tried to murder Captain America like 20 minutes earlier. Why would he hold back against a green rage monster? Especially when the longer Hulk is allowed to rampage around the greater the chance he would of caused the hellcarrier to crash.

Originally posted by Surtur
It didn't even seem like Thor was holding back when he fought Hulk. Remember the guy had just tried to murder Captain America like 20 minutes earlier. Why would he hold back against a green rage monster? Especially when the longer Hulk is allowed to rampage around the greater the chance he would of caused the hellcarrier to crash.

Because when he fought Cap he didn't know who these people were, only that they were getting in his way. The fact that he told Hulk that he didn't want to fight him was a dead giveaway.

Common sense man.

Originally posted by Surtur
It didn't even seem like Thor was holding back when he fought Hulk. Remember the guy had just tried to murder Captain America like 20 minutes earlier. Why would he hold back against a green rage monster? Especially when the longer Hulk is allowed to rampage around the greater the chance he would of caused the hellcarrier to crash.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So anyone can wield Thor's hammer in the same manner of skill ? But Obi is a swordmaster, right ?

So what ? You cite random fodder people the Jedi kill. Obi had his sword but the swordmaster lost his sword after one attack ? Was he able to get it back with his force powers ? 🙂

Yes, Obi is more of a swordmaster than Grievous but still looked like an idiot kicking him. That's noobish skill.

Hulk was dominating him due to his superior strength and relentless nature. Thor was holding back though. Obi was not holding back against Grievous.

Based on ?

Yep, Obi-Wan has actual on-screen feats of his exceptional sword skills. Thor just brawls and uses Mjolnir like a club most times.

Grevious was not fodder. Maul was not fodder. Anakin was not fodder. The best part is pre-prime Obi-Wan looked better than Jango in H2H despite being at an overwhelming disadvantage.

No, that was just a desperation move due to being unarmed and fighting a super-strong cyborg.

Was Thor holding back against Kurse, too? Or Ultron? Because both of them made him their *****.

Based on wrecking AotC Obi-Wan and Anakin. Based on holding his own against Yoda for an extended period of time.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yep, Obi-Wan has actual on-screen feats of his exceptional sword skills. Thor just brawls and uses Mjolnir like a club most times.

Grevious was not fodder. Maul was not fodder. Anakin was not fodder. The best part is pre-prime Obi-Wan looked better than Jango in H2H despite being at an overwhelming disadvantage.

No, that was just a desperation move due to being unarmed and fighting a super-strong cyborg.

Was Thor holding back against Kurse, too? Or Ultron? Because both of them made him their *****.

Based on wrecking AotC Obi-Wan and Anakin. Based on holding his own against Yoda for an extended period of time.

Obi got the drop on him. I also never said they were fodder but they fight entirely different than Jango does. Jango proved himself to be Obi's equal formidability wise.

So in desperate times he fights like an absolute buffoon showing extreme lack of skill.

Kurse beat him. Ventrrss had both Obi and Anakin at her mercy before. Kurse was a beastly threat. Thor was more skilled than Kurse as well.

What does that have to do with taking on Loki ?

Why do people assume Kurse is some kind of mindless brawler with zero skills? Algrim was fighting in wars long before Thor was even born.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So Thor never displays superhuman skill with the hammer and just clubs people ? Likewise I can say Obi just basically just tries to cut people. 🤣

Obi got the drop on him. I also never said they were fodder but they fight entirely different than Jango does. Jango proved himself to be Obi's equal formidability wise.

So in desperate times he fights like an absolute buffoon showing extreme lack of skill.

Kurse beat him. Ventrrss had both Obi and Anakin at her mercy before. Kurse was a beastly threat. Thor was more skilled than Kurse as well.

What does that have to do with taking on Loki ?

No, Obi-Wan shows finesse and skill. What feats does Thor have that are on the level of Obi-Wan blocking strikes from a 4-armed physically superior opponent, and the casually disarming him? It's time you posted evidence of your claim.

You mean a fully armored and armed Jango with assistance from Boba vs. a holding back, unarmed, pre-prime Kenobi. And Obi-Wan still forced him to retreat. 😆

Okay, Quan. Being unarmed, what could he do against said cyborg? Just surrender and die? Is that what you would do?

And? They've held an advantage over her more times than not. Where was that skill against Kurse then?

Based on being better than him.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No, Obi-Wan shows finesse and skill. What feats does Thor have that are on the level of Obi-Wan blocking strikes from a 4-armed physically superior opponent, and the casually disarming him? It's time you posted evidence of your claim.

You mean a fully armored and armed Jango with assistance from Boba vs. a holding back, unarmed, pre-prime Kenobi. And Obi-Wan still forced him to retreat. 😆

Okay, Quan. Being unarmed, what could he do against said cyborg? Just surrender and die? Is that what you would do?

And? They've held an advantage over her more times than not. Where was that skill against Kurse then?

Based on being better than him.

Kenobi was armed and then was disarmed by Jango. Obi gave it his all and was unable to best him. He failed. Jango was leaving anyways and yet Obi was unable to stop him. He should have used better skill and not lost his saber. He wasn't even fast enough to get it back mid battle. Way to go Jango.

Kurse was a more powerful foe who beat him. Cap is more skilled than Kurse but isn't beating him either. make a relevant point.

That isn't evidence that's you stating your worthless opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You never said finesse earlier you said skill. Thor has skill in spades but can also brawl. Obi fought a lesser skilled opponent and beat him with a gun. 😂

Kenobi was armed and then was disarmed by Jango. Obi gave it his all and was unable to best him. He failed. Jango was leaving anyways and yet Obi was unable to stop him. He should have used better skill and not lost his saber. He wasn't even fast enough to get it back mid battle. Way to go Jango.

Kurse was a more powerful foe who beat him. Cap is more skilled than Kurse but isn't beating him either. make a relevant point.

That isn't evidence that's you stating your worthless opinion.

😆 Finesse is not part of skill now? Convenient that you ignore how much more powerful physically Grevious was, or that Obi-Wan out-dueled him before that.

And that would count for something if Obi-Wan wasn't getting the better of him in pure H2H. And fyi, Jango was leaving because of Obi-Wan, yet Obi-Wan trailed him anyway.

Cap is a good example of a character who beats stronger opponents via superior skill. He wouldn't have been beat down by some brute like Thor was.

Dooku is faster, much more skilled and has a weapon that can hurt Loki. The end.

Originally posted by Psychotron
😆 Finesse is not part of skill now? Convenient that you ignore how much more powerful physically Grevious was, or that Obi-Wan out-dueled him before that.

And that would count for something if Obi-Wan wasn't getting the better of him in pure H2H. And fyi, Jango was leaving because of Obi-Wan, yet Obi-Wan trailed him anyway.

Cap is a good example of a character who beats stronger opponents via superior skill. He wouldn't have been beat down by some brute like Thor was.

Dooku is faster, much more skilled and has a weapon that can hurt Loki. The end.

Obi is more skilled with a saber so he is more skilled with a lightsaber. The only reason he won is because he force pulled the gun to kill the weak Grievous.

Obi wa a not getting the better. It was a back and forth type fight. Obi got himself captured. What an idiot.

He would have went down much sooner. Kurse would decimate cap. Cap can't fight someone like Kurse or Hulk and have a legit chance.

I disagree. Loki is more powerful, more clever, and more cunning than Dooku. Dooku was hoed prisoner by Hondo that lame space pirate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Skill does not have the same meaning as finesse. The fact you don't know this scares me.

Obi is more skilled with a saber so he is more skilled with a lightsaber. The only reason he won is because he force pulled the gun to kill the weak Grievous.

Obi wa a not getting the better. It was a back and forth type fight. Obi got himself captured. What an idiot.

He would have went down much sooner. Kurse would decimate cap. Cap can't fight someone like Kurse or Hulk and have a legit chance.

I disagree. Loki is more powerful, more clever, and more cunning than Dooku. Dooku was hoed prisoner by Hondo that lame space pirate.

And the fact that you cannot read scares me. I said finesse is a part of skill, this is doubly true for sword fighting.

He is also more skilled in H2H as evidenced by his fight with Jango.

Didn't get captured by Jango. It wasn't back and forth, Jango fled, because he knew he couldn't win.

I said a brute, not Kurse or Hulk. Someone who is 2-3 times stronger than Cap wouldn't be an issue for him like it is for Thor.

Loki is a twink with greasy hair, he doesn't have a single good combat feat to his name.

Originally posted by Psychotron
And the fact that you cannot read scares me. I said finesse is a part of skill, this is doubly true for sword fighting.

He is also more skilled in H2H as evidenced by his fight with Jango.

Didn't get captured by Jango. It wasn't back and forth, Jango fled, because he knew he couldn't win.

I said a brute, not Kurse or Hulk. Someone who is 2-3 times stronger than Cap wouldn't be an issue for him like it is for Thor.

Loki is a twink with greasy hair, he doesn't have a single good combat feat to his name.

I disagree. Obi had force powers and still cam doff looking worse. Jango looked to me the better fighter.

Obi pursued him like a moron and got captured. Jango was leaving as soon as he met Obi. They didn't want the Jedi wise to their plans.

I disagree. 2-3 times stronger would be an issue for cap. Cap would have no chance against Hulk or Kurse.

Watch the films. Your disrespect for Loki offends me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't have to be. Thor has extreme skill but I wouldn't describe him as using finesse. Savage has skill and isn't finesse based.

I disagree. Obi had force powers and still cam doff looking worse. Jango looked to me the better fighter.

Obi pursued him like a moron and got captured. Jango was leaving as soon as he met Obi. They didn't want the Jedi wise to their plans.

I disagree. 2-3 times stronger would be an issue for cap. Cap would have no chance against Hulk or Kurse.

Watch the films. Your disrespect for Loki offends me.

Thor has no skill, though. Savage fights much better than Thor did.

Force powers he didn't even use. The guy who ran (Jango) is the one who looked worse, because he was, you know, a coward.

And yet the Jedi figured everything out because Obi-Wan was able to follow him. What an amateur Jango is.

Clearly you have no idea how good Cap is then if you think someone only 2-3 times stronger than him would beat him.

You must either be a fat woman or a homo to like Loki.