Loki vs Obi-wan Kenobi

Originally posted by quanchi112
Therr are varying degrees of skill. I agree but Thor minus his powers absolutely dominated shield agents.

Those shield agents have no showings. Hyperbolic statements from Coulson don't fly because McLane is an extremely experienced well trained Cop and he has almost NO skill whatsoever.

Falcon was expertly trained soldier, experienced, Hi-spec division, and demonstrated almost no skill. Those shield agents were not moving like black widow, or bourne or even barton. A 'claim' that theyre 'the most skilled agents in the world' or w/e holds no weight if they didn't display anything resembling it.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Those shield agents have no showings. Hyperbolic statements from Coulson don't fly because McLane is an extremely experienced well trained Cop and he has almost NO skill whatsoever.

Falcon was expertly trained soldier, experienced, Hi-spec division, and demonstrated almost no skill. Those shield agents were not moving like black widow, or bourne or even barton. A 'claim' that theyre 'the most skilled agents in the world' or w/e holds no weight if they didn't display anything resembling it.

Thor demonstrates skill, elusiveness, and combat Formidability unmatched by Obi wan. Watch his films. He doesn't act like the hulk. He may be able to take a punch from the Hulk like Loki but that's just because these characters operate on a much higher power level than someone who hurts his own foot kicking Grievous.

Anakin and Obis fight is a demonstration of martial prowess beyond anything Loki has demonstrated, and thor for that matter. I don't even see it as debateable.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Those shield agents have no showings. Hyperbolic statements from Coulson don't fly because McLane is an extremely experienced well trained Cop and he has almost NO skill whatsoever.

Falcon was expertly trained soldier, experienced, Hi-spec division, and demonstrated almost no skill. Those shield agents were not moving like black widow, or bourne or even barton. A 'claim' that theyre 'the most skilled agents in the world' or w/e holds no weight if they didn't display anything resembling it.

Meh, even if those SHIELD agents were completely untrained (which I doubt), the fact that Thor was able to take them out as easily as he did speaks of skill. I mean, not even a champion UFC fighter can take out that number of average soldiers that easily.

If we use this logic that those SHIELD agents were unskilled simply because they have no feats, then we'd have to assume those SHIELD agents Cap beat up in the elevator were similarly unskilled (other than Batroc).

Originally posted by Juk3n
Anakin and Obis fight is a demonstration of martial prowess beyond anything Loki has demonstrated, and thor for that matter. I don't even see it as debateable.

Loki operates on a much higher level dealing with more powerful and skilled opponents than Anakin.

Anakin was so retarded in the fight Obi even warned him not to jump and he did so anyways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he was in for a fight. Why on earth would he not use a tactic you describe as an easy win ? Answer; your opinion and speculation isn't a fact. The actual fight is.

Kenobi was armed and disarmed. Obi failed. Jango fled despite his force powers.

Thor's skill is amazing. You may not be surprised by it but it's there. You keep saying to avoid the evidence. They all use their powers at the most opportune moments. Maui uses them when he feels the tactic will be most effective like any Sith Lord.

Why would he need to? He was whooping him without use of the Force. This is pre-prime Kenobi, btw. What's stopping him from rag dolling Captian America? Literally nothing.

He wasn't disarmed by Jango, though. Funny that you keep trying to skirt around this.

Yes, Jango fled. From an unarmed opponent like a little *****. Thanks for playing.

If that's your idea of amazing then you must have the shittiest taste on this board. Thor's human prowess is no better than an average bar fighter's.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Why would he need to? He was whooping him without use of the Force. This is pre-prime Kenobi, btw. What's stopping him from rag dolling Captian America? Literally nothing.

He wasn't disarmed by Jango, though. Funny that you keep trying to skirt around this.

Yes, Jango fled. From an unarmed opponent like a little *****. Thanks for playing.

If that's your idea of amazing then you must have the shittiest taste on this board. Thor's human prowess is no better than an average bar fighter's.

He disarmed Obi. His son was there. He wasn't there for Obi but Obi failed in his objective.

So average guys can go through shield agents relatively easily ? GTFO. Watch average Anakin and Obi kick and choke each other. That is unbelievably average.

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Originally posted by FrothByte

If we use this logic that those SHIELD agents were unskilled simply because they have no feats, then we'd have to assume those SHIELD agents Cap beat up in the elevator were similarly unskilled (other than Batroc).

Well sure, those agents also were not moving anything like Widow or even Barton in a fight, they were relatively unskilled.

I don't know what point you were just trying to make, but you made mine perfectly, im glad we're in agreement that those shield agents in the lift, and the ones thor fought demonstrated no, that's ZERO on-screen skill, and certainly not enough proficiency in combat to be labelled "the most elite agents in the world"

because you see we have 3 examples of the most elite agents in the world, Widow, Barton and Cap..and WS if you wanna get technical.

*drop mic

Originally posted by Juk3n
Well sure, those agents also were not moving anything like Widow or even Barton in a fight, they were relatively unskilled.

I don't know what point you were just trying to make, but you made mine perfectly, im glad we're in agreement that those shield agents in the lift, and the ones thor fought demonstrated no, that's ZERO on-screen skill, and certainly not enough proficiency in combat to be labelled "the most elite agents in the world"

because you see we have 3 examples of the most elite agents in the world, Widow, Barton and Cap..and WS if you wanna get technical.

*drop mic

Well yes and no. Cap and WS should not be considered since they are enhanced humans. Widow and Barton are considered top of the line SHIELD agents, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're also the best fighters. We don't know just how skilled other SHIELD agents are but I think it's safe to say that they are skilled fighters... as whenever we see a SHIELD agent take on some other fodder they do have pretty good fight skills (see agents of SHIELD).

Anyway my point is, Thor going through MULTIPLE SHIELD agents like he did speaks of great skill on his part, even if the SHIELD agents he went through might not necessarily be as good as either Widow or Clint.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well yes and no. Cap and WS should not be considered since they are enhanced humans. Widow and Barton are considered top of the line SHIELD agents, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're also the best fighters. We don't know just how skilled other SHIELD agents are but I think it's safe to say that they are skilled fighters... as whenever we see a SHIELD agent take on some other fodder they do have pretty good fight skills (see agents of SHIELD).

Anyway my point is, Thor going through MULTIPLE SHIELD agents like he did speaks of great skill on his part, even if the SHIELD agents he went through might not necessarily be as good as either Widow or Clint.

I still don't see why anyone is mentioning the Cap vs Loki fight as any kind of evidence of Loki's skill or lack of skill. He wanted to be captured.

Originally posted by Surtur
I still don't see why anyone is mentioning the Cap vs Loki fight as any kind of evidence of Loki's skill or lack of skill. He wanted to be captured.

It's just a few biased, disingenuous Star Wars fanboys.

Spoken by the biggest Star Wars hater on this site.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He failed in his objective. So I guess failing is ok to him. Their showings. The fact cap can fight back and isn't going to stand there with his shield without using it.

He disarmed Obi. His son was there. He wasn't there for Obi but Obi failed in his objective.

So average guys can go through shield agents relatively easily ? GTFO. Watch average Anakin and Obi kick and choke each other. That is unbelievably average.

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Failed? He tailed him and led the Republic forces to the CIS base leading to an early Republic victory in the Clone Wars.

Nice of you to ignore Boba attacking Obi-Wan with turbolasers and keeping him off-balance, I bet that didn't help Jango at all. Also, Obi-Wan nailed Jango with a flying kick while Jango was still in the air, and he disarmed Jango as well. This is while Jango was fully armed and armored. Jango is shit.

SHIELD agents are fodder. Go ahead and prove me wrong. They hit each once, you can't judge anything from that. However, Obi-Wan demonstrated some good H2H when he disarmed Jango and managed to overpower Jango's jet pack and bring him to the ground. Anakin and Obi-Wan with lightsabers are >>>>>>> Thor with Mjolnir in terms of pure skill.

Originally posted by DTM
Spoken by the biggest Star Wars hater on this site.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Failed? He tailed him and led the Republic forces to the CIS base leading to an early Republic victory in the Clone Wars.

Nice of you to ignore Boba attacking Obi-Wan with turbolasers and keeping him off-balance, I bet that didn't help Jango at all. Also, Obi-Wan nailed Jango with a flying kick while Jango was still in the air, and he disarmed Jango as well. This is while Jango was fully armed and armored. Jango is shit.

SHIELD agents are fodder. Go ahead and prove me wrong. They hit each once, you can't judge anything from that. However, Obi-Wan demonstrated some good H2H when he disarmed Jango and managed to overpower Jango's jet pack and bring him to the ground. Anakin and Obi-Wan with lightsabers are >>>>>>> Thor with Mjolnir in terms of pure skill.

That did but with precog it shouldn't have been an issue. The two had enough time one on one. Obi failed to bring him in despite having his force powers. If Jango was shit then Obi is less than shit since he failed in his objective against shit. 🙂

They are skilled opponents. Clones are fodder yet they executed nearly the entire Jedi order. 😂

Yes, we can judge Thor's Formidability by the relative ease he took them down while powerless.

No, they are more skilled in sword fighting. Thor wields his hammer far better than they would so they both have advantages in their own specialized skill sets.

Thor and Loki operates on a higher level. Thor wouldn't hurt his leg kicking grievous. Obi's a wimp.

Oh man this is a lot of pagery for a fight in which Loki tears through someone

Shit never mind I have a Loki avatar I'm compromised.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His objective was to kill the emperor. That's what he went there for FYI. He failed. Utterly. He even says as much. 😂

That did but with precog it shouldn't have been an issue. The two had enough time one on one. Obi failed to bring him in despite having his force powers. If Jango was shit then Obi is less than shit since he failed in his objective against shit. 🙂

They are skilled opponents. Clones are fodder yet they executed nearly the entire Jedi order. 😂

Yes, we can judge Thor's Formidability by the relative ease he took them down while powerless.

No, they are more skilled in sword fighting. Thor wields his hammer far better than they would so they both have advantages in their own specialized skill sets.

Thor and Loki operates on a higher level. Thor wouldn't hurt his leg kicking grievous. Obi's a wimp.

The Emperor? WTF are you talking about? I know you're kind of retarded but try to pay attention to the stuff we're talking about.

Precog can't acount for everything, especially not when dealing with multiple opponents. Even Spider-Man gets hit. Kenobi didn't even use his powers because he was holding back, as he needed Jango alive. Yeah, enough time where Jango was armed and armored while Obi-Wan was holding back. And Obi-Wan was still kicking the shit out of him. I know you're biased but how can you honestly say he failed when Obi-Wan led the Republic to the first victory in the Clone Wars? Even you're not that dumb.

Probably because there were only a few thousand Jedi and billions of clones. Not to mention that they shot them in the back.

lel, took down fodder. Put him against an opponent of similar strength (Hulk, Kurse, Ultron) and he gets dominated. Thor's skills are crap, he relies on sheer power and nothing else.

They're more skilled with their weapons than the Asgardians are with theirs, period. Put Loki and Thor vs. Obi-Wan and Anakin with equalized stats and it's a slaughter in favor of the Jedi.

Because, they're far more powerful. However, Loki would be hurt by the lightsaber, which coupled with Obi-Wan's superior speed, agility, precog, and skill gives him the win.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The Emperor? WTF are you talking about? I know you're kind of retarded but try to pay attention to the stuff we're talking about.

Precog can't acount for everything, especially not when dealing with multiple opponents. Even Spider-Man gets hit. Kenobi didn't even use his powers because he was holding back, as he needed Jango alive. Yeah, enough time where Jango was armed and armored while Obi-Wan was holding back. And Obi-Wan was still kicking the shit out of him. I know you're biased but how can you honestly say he failed when Obi-Wan led the Republic to the first victory in the Clone Wars? Even you're not that dumb.

Probably because there were only a few thousand Jedi and billions of clones. Not to mention that they shot them in the back.

lel, took down fodder. Put him against an opponent of similar strength (Hulk, Kurse, Ultron) and he gets dominated. Thor's skills are crap, he relies on sheer power and nothing else.

They're more skilled with their weapons than the Asgardians are with theirs, period. Put Loki and Thor vs. Obi-Wan and Anakin with equalized stats and it's a slaughter in favor of the Jedi.

Because, they're far more powerful. However, Loki would be hurt by the lightsaber, which coupled with Obi-Wan's superior speed, agility, precog, and skill gives him the win.

You can use force powers to defeat someone without killing them. You have no excuse and insert your own supported fanboyish answers. Jango was giving just as good as he was getting.

Precognition ??? There weren't ever billions vs. the Jedi in any single situation. Even the numbers they were killed it was easily done save Yoda who reacted and then went with the wookees.

Thor uses skill left and right. He can rely on his power but only the hulk fights like the brute you describe.

Nah, Loki outs him down. Loki,10/10.