Spectre Vs Marvel/DC Gauntlet

Originally posted by Genii96

The part where reed compares the cube's power the the beyonders/IG:

beyonder is a cubed being,so them rivaling in power is legit...

magnus with the incomplete IG merged 2 universes together and IIRC,stated it would've taken longer with 5 CCUs,also goddess put 30 CCUs together to form a cosmic egg and noted it was weaker than the IG...morever,if it actually rivals beyonder's power,then it is nowhere near the IG,which is above even eternity...its like saying I rival the power of odin and a celestial,to rival,means their power is close to one another,if I rival a celestial,then odin is nothing,if I rival odin,a celestial is nothing,reed saying it rivals beyonder and the IG makes no sense,those two are very far apart in power.

btw. I already knew the IG > CCU

Originally posted by Genii96

Yes, the CCU after draining galactus' power from doom, resurrected galactus

Otherwise, you're making that up.

Originally posted by Genii96

however reed with the UN recreated the MU,
including everything in it,remaking it without abraxas and making sue pregnant,

now would you also say UN>all the abstracts of the MU?

Originally posted by Genii96

CW herc remade the multiverse too,would you put him above multi eternity,tribunal etc?

I never read the CW Herc thingy, but, If it was stated (based on a feat) that he remade the infinite Multiverse,
then yea, he was above the multiverse.

Originally posted by Genii96

kid franklin also ressurected galactus, he wasn't stronger than a fed galan either during the mad celestial arc

This is quite a different method used by Frank compared to what the CCU did.

Originally posted by Genii96

my point is, you don't have to be stronger than someone, to resurrect him/her.

Especially with those examples you used.

Originally posted by Genii96

And galactus was pretty much dead when he was ressurected,
its not like the cube actually remade him against his will

A CCU already remade the entire Omniverse against its will.

Let me know if you need the On Panel feat taking place posted. 👆

Originally posted by Genii96

If the CCU alone,could have removed galan's power on a whim,doom would not have gone through ALL the trouble to get those equipments to learn HOW to take his power away,a simple' cosmic cube give me the power of galactus' would have been enough,and if the CCU was above him as you say,Doom who had both,would not have thrown away the cube after gaining galan's power if the cube was greater at that time,he had both powers at once. Obviously he couldn't simply remove galan's power from him by force,otherwise he would have just done it. The mere fact that doom had to acquire all those eqipments shows the CCU alone could not just remove his power. Also doom with his powers dosent correlate to being as good as galan was with the powers,with a difference of about thousand billion years of experience and usage between them

Doom unfortunately miscalculated just how powerful the CCU was. To bad for him but the bad guy always loses.

Anyway, it was clearly stated that he needed the other artifacts for purposes other than power:

The "Ultimate Machine" gave Doom the knowledge to drain G's power.
The "Sacred Helix of Randac" altered Doom in order to access the knowledge within the "Ultimate Machine."

The "Cosmic Control" helped control/harness these objects including the CCU.

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*** The power was the CCU ***

Please let's not entertain any alternatives here since it will only lead to a circle.

Originally posted by Genii96

CCU never operated on an omniversal scale...u r reffering to when,doom with the cube tried to make it rewrite the universe in his image,it couldn't and instead found a universe to his liking and overlapped it with 616,this Is what began to cause the omniversal problem,roma then sent the xmen after him,magneto got a hold of it and overlapped another universe on the previous ones,and finally I believe It was red skull who overlapped the last one,that is what caused the omniversal disturbance,it was just the CCU overlapping 4 universes,and at different times,basically a universal feat.

I don't recall a CCu remaking the omniverse at any stage.

Aside from the multi-universal stack (lol at you considering that a "universal" feat)

That CCU also warped a dozen universeS surrounding 616, and then it began to compress the entire Omniverse.

At the end, some average joe name Leonard Jackson made a thought with the CCU,
and the stacked universeS returned to their rightful stations in the omniverse,
the dozen universeS surrounding 616 were re-warped back to their original state,
and finally, it de-compressed the entire omniverse back to its proper function.

Let me know if you need scans .. its text, since this is a canonized "novel," but it's still proof.

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That aside, I wasn't even referring to that example. That's another one.

I was actually highlighting the 616 canon X-O Man/Iron Man arc.

There, Omniversal destruction and then re-creation is artistically portrayed for us on panel. 🙂

Originally posted by Genii96

Thanos never became eternity with a CCU,
he just became part of the universe,

I agree, he didn't become "Eternity" the concept, but he did become the entire universe. He was as big as the universe.

Don't know where you're gettng this "part of the universe' deal from.

Originally posted by Genii96

the beyonder himself also embodies a universe too,he is a cubed being

Although, Beyonder and Owen are not ordinary Cube being power.

Originally posted by Genii96

That entire story had galactus being hungry,
no way in any shape or form can you can translate that to being above a well fed galan.
Reed richards didn't mention the CCu when he said doom had it all,
and absolute power after taking galan's power, he referenced each of them one by one,
not to mention the fact that doom threw away the cube after gaining galan's power.

Originally posted by Genii96

Kubik could warp a universe into his palm.

Kubik stated a fight between him and the super adaptoid after copying his powerse would break nigh infinte universes and realities,
molecule man and beyonder were causing trans multiversal damage during their fight,
and were warping 2D universes into 3D ones as a side effect,so yes,
cubed beings do have multi-universal feats under their belts.

Let me know if you need proof.

As for Kubik and Adaptoid and/or Beyonder/Owen fighting.

These are not solitary acts of a single Cube being,
these are the results of TWO Cube beings warping reality simultaneously in combat.

... Ever heard of the concept termed: ... "Synergy?"

Originally posted by Genii96

Magnus admitted that 5 CCUs together would have taken days just to properly merge 2 universes together

Originally posted by Genii96

goddess had to take 30 CCUs, and merge them together before she started warping on a multi-universal/multiversal scale...

The potential of the CCU depends on the "will" harnessing it.

So CCU feats will vary. Goddess needed many CCUs to do her thing, others have needed much less.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't think so friend. Those specific titles will derive from tv, ... not all "all ages" rated stories.

That aside, I didn't even see where in that interview anything was considered/labeled "non-canon."

The stories titled "Marvel Adventures" have always been non-canon to 616.

But the Spiderman & Secret Wars mini arc has nothing to do with marvel adventures.
In fact, the Spidey story follows the flow of the original SW1 story nigh verbatim.
... and, There's no mention of it being an alternate world, or a diverged one.

I don't have to do that. You're the one that's stamping restrictions on the book.

There's this though ...

Marvel Comics' Editor and Director of Content & Character Develepment [b]was asked:

... if the "all ages" Spidey adventures were "canon" and she replied:

"I believe so"

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/adcc-marvel-announces-all-ages-in-continuity-spidey

Funny, since I myself thought that would be non-canon. [/B]

Don't like it? Complain to marvel.

11 pages now....

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm gonna go ahead and figure you never actually read the Chaos Engine Trilogy
and got this snippet of info from either wiki or some other under informed site.

Aside from the multi-universal stack (lol at you considering that a "universal" feat)

That CCU also warped a dozen universeS surrounding 616, and then it began to compress the entire Omniverse.

At the end, some average joe name Leonard Jackson made a thought with the CCU,
and the stacked universeS returned to their rightful stations in the omniverse,
the dozen universeS surrounding 616 were re-warped back to their original state,
and finally, it de-compressed the entire omniverse back to its proper function.

Let me know if you need scans .. its text, since this is a canonized "novel," but it's still proof.

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That aside, I wasn't even referring to that example. That's another one.

I was actually highlighting the 616 canon X-O Man/Iron Man arc.

There, Omniversal destruction and then re-creation is artistically portrayed for us on panel. 🙂

Thanos became the entire physical 616 Universe with a single CCU.

I agree, he didn't become "Eternity" the concept, but he did become the entire universe. He was as big as the universe.

Don't know where you're gettng this "part of the universe' deal from.

Cube being's are universal.

Although, Beyonder and Owen are not ordinary Cube being power.

If you're still trying to argue that Galactus is somehow above a Cosmic Cube,
I think I'm gonna have to let ya keep thinking that and respectfully dismiss myself from this discussion.

Kubik warped Beyonder's universe when Beyonder was incomplete. That universe at that time was a '[b]pocket reality.'

Let me know if you need proof.

As for Kubik and Adaptoid and/or Beyonder/Owen fighting.

These are not solitary acts of a single Cube being,
these are the results of TWO Cube beings warping reality simultaneously in combat.

... Ever heard of the concept termed: ... "Synergy?"

Magus was manipulating those CCUs via tech, not his own "will."

In that instance Starlin made it clear that even 30 CCUs and beneath the power of the IG.

The potential of the CCU depends on the "will" harnessing it.

So CCU feats will vary. Goddess needed many CCUs to do her thing, others have needed much less. [/B]

every cube feat prior to and after whatever 'omniversal control' feat you claim have all been universal,or(assuming the 'dozens of universe is legit'😉 multiuniversal..using one feat to ignore all others will NOT help your case,because everytime it has been used its only for universal effects,and multiple have been gathered to affect more than that

Thanos becoming a universe or part of it is universal

First you claim beyonder and reece aren't ordinary in power,then u say beyonder is 'incomplete' when kubik beating him shows up?
That same 'incomplete' beyonder was pulled out of kosmos and had the trans multiversal battle with owen reece,his universe was called a universe,not some small reality.

It dosent matter if it was 2 fighting, 2 50tonners fighting won't destroy a planet..for their energies to be trans multiversal,and warping multiple universes,transforming 2D universes to 3D,hell their fight even had temporal effects,they were even affecting the future too,warping reality in the year 3147 or so,and for kubik and adaptoid to destroy near infinite universe each must be at least multi-universal.
the tribunal is the multiverse,so remaking the multiverse and everything in it is basically remaking him too
So then u believe reed with UN>all the abstracts at once...CW herc>all the abstracts at once? Adult franklin didn't use any 'prep' he just took kid franklin's power and revived galactus,that was all...basically similar to u saying he was stronger than galactus

Sorry,but no way do I agree a CCU is naturally multiversal,let alone omniversal normally...5CCUs would have taken days just to properly merge 2 universes,and magnus used a machine to to use all 5 at once,unless machines have a will of their own,he used his will to actually perform tasks..30CCUs had to be combined to affect a multiverse,just about every other feat is of universal scale.
No matter the will of the user,the cubes have limits

If doom had the power to strip galan of his power with the CCU he would have done so,claiming doom miscalculated the power of the cube is a fantasy,he knew it alone wasn't enough,otherwise he would have just wished it so,its quite simple. And once again,galan was hungry,further reducing whatever validity of it being above a well fed galan,who can oneshot celestials. The IG itself isn't omniversal,and its stronger than 30 cubes put together.

Nearly all statements with the cube have it as universal,and has been used as such,as are the cubed beings that they evolve into.
So we'll just agree to disagree.

^^ As you wish. Like I said, I'm not going to entertain circles.
Since you're disputing on panel facts, there's no where else to go from here.

I will however, post several uber feats from CCUs, then I'll leave it at that.
I'll do this, cause I wouldn't want innocent onlookers to be fooled by twisted info.

Originally posted by abhilegend

That was just to inform you that all ages imprint is out of continuity.

Spiderman and Secret Wars is 100% canon until further notice from official Marvel sources.

Like many other "all ages" rated stories.

No, it isn't.

Sorry, your word means shit here.

Enjoy your own reality where you decide what's canon or not.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Spiderman and Secret Wars is 100% canon until further notice from official Marvel sources.

Like many other "all ages" rated stories.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Sorry, your word means shit here.

Cool story bro.

Talk to someone who gives a shit about what you think.

Originally posted by Genii96

no way do I agree a CCU is naturally multiversal,

let alone omniversal normally

No matter the will of the user, the cubes have limits

Anyway, I won't dance with claims anymore, just prove my point.

I'll give ya Two beyond universal feats. I have more if intransigence isn't satisfied.

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"Cosmic Containment Unit" performs on a ridiculous level and is considered to be GOD itself!

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Here a single CCU is used to give all the heroes & villains of Earth-9777 their own private Universe!

The CCU was broken into candy-sized pieces. If you eat a piece, you become a god with a universe.

(616 characters were involved in this story)

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This is an incredible On Panel read about that CCU above ^^^ being GOD!

[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14776832_CCU_X9.jpg]

[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14776833_CCU_X10.jpg]

[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14776834_CCU_X11.jpg]

[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14776835_CCU_X12.jpg]

[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14776836_CCU_X13.jpg]

[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14776837_CCU_X14.jpg]

[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14776838_CCU_X15.jpg]

"How can this be GOD?"

"How can I possibly hold GOD in My hand?" ... 😂

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How many universeS were created by that lone CCU?

I don't know. How many heroes and villains are there in a world that diverged from 616?

I'd say the same amount as on Earth-616. Like any and all diverged alternate realities.

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Here, a single CCU obliterates the entire Omniverse and remakes it crazy:

"The MultiverseS topple over like dominoes ... one Omniversal plane implodes into nothingness

... and the next ... and the next ... until the only thing left of reality ... is nothing."

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Iron Man and X-O (with a thought) used the same CCU to recreate/fix the Omniversal madness:

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And it's canon to the mainstream timeline!

(towards the bottom of the page under: Comments)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthcrossoverall.htm

"X-O Manowar/Iron Man (involved Earth-616 and Earth-Valiant merging"

Crossovers aren't valid proof here. Get out of here with that shit.

Seriously.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]^^ As you wish. Like I said, I'm not going to entertain circles.
Since you're disputing on panel facts, there's no where else to go from here.

I will however, post several uber feats from CCUs, then I'll leave it at that.
I'll do this, cause I wouldn't want innocent onlookers to be fooled by twisted info.

Originally posted by Genii96

On panel feats showcase galactus being above a cube

But, can you post this "on panel" feat that "showcases Galactus above a Cube?"
If you can't post scans, tell me where to find it, and I'll post it for ya, this way I can prove you right.

Originally posted by Genii96

on panel feats show galactus' power only being outdone by a cube when hungry

Originally posted by Genii96

on panel feats showcase cube beings being below celestials

In fact, on average Cube beings have greater feats than Celestials.
Actually, other than what Scathan did,
I don't see any other example of any Celestial coming even close to a Cube being.
Let alone the unrestricted power of a Cosmic Cube which is far beyond a Cube being.

Originally posted by Genii96

believe whatever you want.

Like toppling over the entire Omniverse into nothingness and instantly remaking a new crazy Omniverse,
then said Cosmic Cube was able to erase that crazy Omniverse and remake a proper one.

That 616-related Cube feat was initiated with a thought.

back on topic,he dosent get past 1

😂

So a Cosmic Cube Unit......is Omniverse????

What!?

it isn't omniversal...

The scans seem to prove otherwise....

You mean where it was used to overlap about 4 universe each ontop of the other and this caused the structure of the omniverse to begin to collapse?...even if there is one omniversal feat out there,there are several othr feats that show that it isn't omniversal