Spectre Vs Marvel/DC Gauntlet

Started by abhilegend13 pages

Here Reed own Doom powered by Galactus's energy and recreates Galactus.

http://i.imgur.com/sro4I2v.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sro4I2v.jpg

And Marvel officially recognizes Galactus at skyfather level like Zeus and Odin..

i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd466/shogunofharlem1/ThanosAnnual001-024_zps19e195fc.jpg

So.....

Oh god

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. It's rather consistent throughout. A cosmic cube recreated him in Fantastic Four : world's greatest comics 12 too.

Comparisons matter. Not these random "universe/multi verse blowing" stuff. He was slightly more powerful than Odin but that's it in direct comparison.

Where do you put cube beings in hierarchy? Here Shaper was a universal being and Galactus was like an Ant to surfer channelling his power.

Ergo a sky father level being. Nothing more, nothing less.


Resurrecting galactus with a cosmic cube is a low end feat why?,
Comparisons to what exactly? Him nearly breaking the multi verse against scrier and other isn't just hyperbole,oblivion was shaking in delight at the thought of the multi verse becoming his again,he vaped a watcher during annihilation and weakened annihilus with the quantum bands,direct confrontation against odin? He didn't even do anything,they had a telepathic fight,where he was winning even after thor tried to help odin,odin broke it off and attacked him,the end result had Odin put through the odin sleep and galactus completely fine,only damage done was to his armour,odin couldn't even stand properly after that...galactus beat odin without lifting a finger or using his power. Doom with the power of galactus one shotted odin. More recently,kid franklin+valeria combined to revive galactus,and franklin burned out all his powers as a result,

Hierarchy of cosmic cube beings have already been shown,they are far below celestials as kubik already said. A well fed galan one shots celestials and can handle an entire group at once.
Doom with a cube+other gears notes that his power is a fraction of galactus' own

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/FFWGCM1007.jpg

retelling the secret war story,post retcon(iirc),he,with galan's power brought the beyonder to his knees and ripped his power from him

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Spider-ManamptheSecretWars4018-19.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Spider-ManamptheSecretWars4020.jpg

I dnt know anything about galactus being an 'ant' to the shaper of world's power. Cube beings are inbetween skyfathers and celestials
Well fed galan as shown,is above celestials, and far above sky father levels

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here Reed own Doom powered by Galactus's energy and recreates Galactus.

http://i.imgur.com/sro4I2v.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sro4I2v.jpg

And Marvel officially recognizes Galactus at skyfather level like Zeus and Odin..

i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd466/shogunofharlem1/ThanosAnnual001-024_zps19e195fc.jpg

So.....

Reed beat doom after galactus' hunger had begun to affect doom,doom already confirmed galactus' power was above the cube by far,in fact doom could barely control galan's power when he got it and was passively warping everything around him. And furthermore,doom got the energy of a galactus who was about to feed,so he using the powers of a hungry galactus throughout on top of that.

In that same scan,celestials and odin/zeus are in the same group,shall we go on history road with those two? Or are you going to argue that celestials are sky father level too?
I actually read that more on from the right to the left,not all in one row being the same.

Originally posted by Genii96

Hierarchy of cosmic cube beings have already been shown,
they are far below celestials as kubik already said.

Reed was harnessing a Cosmic Cube ... not a Cube being.

CCU > Cube being ... by far!

Why? Because CCU's restrict their potential upon reaching sentience.

Originally posted by Genii96

Doom with a cube+other gears notes that his power is a fraction of galactus' own

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/FFWGCM1007.jpg


I disagree with Doom's fantasies.

Doom (amped by G's power +) got stomped by Reed's CCU in one move.

Originally posted by Genii96

retelling the secret war story,post retcon(iirc),he,
with galan's power brought the beyonder to his knees and ripped his power from him

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Spider-ManamptheSecretWars4018-19.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Spider-ManamptheSecretWars4020.jpg


This is a misinterpretation my friend. It's not your fault, the artistic portrayal can be misleading.

In actuality, the only thing going on there is Beyonder's power choosing Doom over Beyonder.

"The power goes to the one it feels is most deserving"

Dumbest shit ever when Beyonder was the embodiment/personification of his own energy/power.

How the phuk would it want Doom more? dur

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Anywho, that nonsense aside, we know for a fact, Galactus and his power were nothing to Beyonder,
demonstrated by the feats accomplished by Wolverine, Spiderman and Doom using Beyonder's power.

Originally posted by Genii96

And furthermore,doom got the energy of a galactus who was about to feed,
so he using the powers of a hungry galactus throughout on top of that.

It doens't matter imo good friend.

At the end, Reed re-created Galactus anew. Depicting the absolute power of the CCU over Galactus.

Uatu also basically said that the CCU's power > Galactus.

btw. That CCU also effortlessly warped Asgard including Odin in that story.

Originally posted by Genii96
Resurrecting galactus with a cosmic cube is a low end feat why?,

Who said it's a low showing?


Comparisons to what exactly? Him nearly breaking the multi verse against scrier and other isn't just hyperbole

Yes, it is. As per Scrier only universe was in danger.

,oblivion was shaking in delight at the thought of the multi verse becoming his again

Oblivion wasn't sure if it was an illusion by Scrier or not. As per Scrier only universe was endangered.

,he vaped a watcher during annihilation and weakened annihilus with the quantum bands,direct confrontation against odin?


A featless watcher. Nova survived alright against that blast. And it totally drained his entire power as shown in Godhunter. So?

He didn't even do anything,they had a telepathic fight,where he was winning even after thor tried to help odin,odin broke it off and attacked him,the end result had Odin put through the odin sleep and galactus completely fine,only damage done was to his armour

Galactus was koed as well. So yes, they were peers.

,odin couldn't even stand properly after that...galactus beat odin without lifting a finger or using his power.

That's why he was koed?

Doom with the power of galactus one shotted odin.

Doom had the power of cosmic cube too.
More recently,kid franklin+valeria combined to revive galactus,and franklin burned out all his powers as a result,

And then Adult Franklin revived him with a gesture. Do?

Hierarchy of cosmic cube beings have already been shown,they are far below celestials as kubik already said.

And fat above Galactus.

A well fed galan one shots celestials and can handle an entire group at once.


Alternate celestials. A single CCU had captured dozen of alternate celestials as well.

Doom with a cube+other gears notes that his power is a fraction of galactus' own

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/FFWGCM1007.jpg

Statements are just statements. When Doom owned Galactus with "just a fraction of his powers".

retelling the secret war story,post retcon(iirc),he,with galan's power brought the beyonder to his knees and ripped his power from him

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Spider-ManamptheSecretWars4018-19.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Spider-ManamptheSecretWars4020.jpg

Non canon. It's an all ages Marvel Adventure print.

I dnt know anything about galactus being an 'ant' to the shaper of world's power. Cube beings are inbetween skyfathers and celestials
Well fed galan as shown,is above celestials, and far above sky father levels

That's quite a dream right there. Which skyfathers have Galactus beaten to claim he is far above them? And how is he above celestials?

Reed beat doom after galactus' hunger had begun to affect doom,doom already confirmed galactus' power was above the cube by far,in fact doom could barely control galan's power when he got it and was passively warping everything around him.

And he recreated Galactus from a scratch. Just like here.

And furthermore,doom got the energy of a galactus who was about to feed,so he using the powers of a hungry galactus throughout on top of that.

What's your point here?

In that same scan,celestials and odin/zeus are in the same group,shall we go on history road with those two? Or are you going to argue that celestials are sky father level too?
I actually read that more on from the right to the left,not all in one row being the same.

Not every celestial is Arishem/Exitar level. An average celestial is right around skyfather level.

So, yes.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Non canon.

The arc is simply another perspective. Basically certain details we never saw in the original story.

This is of course Tobin's view added after the fact,
but the story is totally in line with the original series. (Tobin even used artwork from SW1 which was cool)

It actually compliments Beyonder's immense power so don't stop anyone from bringin it up. 😄

In that story, Beyonder's power remade all creation, past-present and future, 3 separate times in one nanonsecond.

That's far beyond anything big G or his ship could ever dream of.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The arc is simply another perspective. Basically certain details we never saw in the original story.

This is of course Tobin's view added after the fact,
but the story is totally in line with the original series. (Tobin even used artwork from SW1 which was cool)

It actually compliments Beyonder's immense power so don't stop anyone from bringin it up. 😄

In that story, Beyonder's power remade all creation, past-present and future, 3 separate times in one nanonsecond.

That's far beyond anything big G or his ship could ever dream of.


Nobody gives a shit if anything is added or removed.

It's a marvel adventures all ages book. They are by default non canon.

See the all ages logo on the cover?

Yeah, Non canon.

That over-sized scan doesn't do anything for me friend.

Originally posted by abhilegend

It's a marvel adventures all ages book. They are by default non canon.


Where has it been made official by Marvel that this book and its like is non-canon?

You say "by default" ... cool, but according to what source?

btw. You don't need to bite my head off for the inquiry. I'm truly intrigued.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who said it's a low showing?

Yes, it is. As per Scrier only universe was in danger.

Oblivion wasn't sure if it was an illusion by Scrier or not. As per Scrier only universe was endangered.
A featless watcher. Nova survived alright against that blast. And it totally drained his entire power as shown in Godhunter. So?

Galactus was koed as well. So yes, they were peers.

That's why he was koed? Doom had the power of cosmic cube too.

And then Adult Franklin revived him with a gesture. Do?

And fat above Galactus.
Alternate celestials. A single CCU had captured dozen of alternate celestials as well.

Statements are just statements. When Doom owned Galactus with "just a fraction of his powers".

Non canon. It's an all ages Marvel Adventure print.

That's quite a dream right there. Which skyfathers have Galactus beaten to claim he is far above them? And how is he above celestials?

And he recreated Galactus from a scratch. Just like here.

What's your point here?

Not every celestial is Arishem/Exitar level. An average celestial is right around skyfather level.

So, yes.

1) If you don't believe its a low showing,why bring it up?

2) Considering the fact that obvlivion was watching the multiverse itself,and noting that their fight would do what chaos king couldn't,I am going to take his word of ur baseless assumptions,him wondering about scrier means crap when he is seeing what is happening to the multiverse

3)So?,it still vaped a watcher,featless or whatever,its still a watcher,it still vaped a galaxy,still massively drained annihilus,and that was a galactus starving to near death,even worse than a regular hungry one,hum being hungry afterwards dosent take the feat away.

3) Galactus KO'd? The headbut knocked them both to earth,galactus got right back up,odin went to sleep and could barely move. Galactys used no form of physical or cosmic attacks whatsoever,when someone headbuts me,and gets put to sleep and can barely work after while I get right back up,we are not equals,not by any stretch of the imagination.

4) Doom abandoned the cube when he got galan's power,he crushed odin with galan's power alone

5) Um,are you about to compare adult to kid franklin? And adult franklin didn't just use his power,he also used the power of kid franklin too? How does that even help your case?. Those celestials were confirmed to be as strong as 616 celestials and they were causing multiversal collapse,tanking alternate IGs and UNs,so being alternate is a dumb aproach. Against the galactus engine the entire armada of celestials including arishem were all either killed off or ran with their tails behind their legs,so whether you see them as 'far above galactus' or some BS,feats say otherwise...using hungry galactus to try to somehow lowabll him will not help.

6) Doom didn't oneshot crap,don't bring up BS,he used the cube,cosmic rod and another machine to sneakshot and steal galan's power,he had a taste of both powers and acknowledged galactus' as greater...:e got beat after he began to hunger...infact galactus who was drained was hungry to begin with..AT BEST,what you would hop to infer is cosmic cube>hungry galan...which again shits on whatever lowball argument you want to bring up,so don't even bother

7) How is he above skyfathers? Maybe because he has faced beings far stronger than skyfathers? Like agamotto in his own universe?,primordial gods?,scrier and other? and celestials?,how is he above celestials? Maybe the fact that he ripped them apart with hus bare hands,and took 4 of them at once easily?,or maybe because he outdid them against the galactus engine?

8)Reed beat doom after the hunger set in,that alone shits on any galactus lowball,and galactus himself was hungry when doom stole his powers,basically,doom was running on the energies of a hungry galactus,used those energies up even more,was affected by the hunger,and then had the energies siphoned off him and put back in galactus,not even worth lowballing.like I said above ur hope here is saying cosmic cube>hungry galactus,which means shit to a well fed galan who oneshots celestials

9) If you think celestials are skyfather levels,then this debate has no point,it wasn't arishem who blocked the destroyer's strongest attack with his palm,kubik stated the celestials...,not exitar or arishem were above them,and it damn wasn't arishem nor exitar that were causing the multiversal collapse of the mad celestials. So whatever fanfic u got,just drop it.

^^ hey there friend ...

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For all the power Doom had acquired, Reed still pointed out,
that regardelss the Cube was enough to make Doom "master of the Universe"

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985237_CCU_Doom9.jpg]

As you can read, the CCU was also the key component to stomping Galactus to begin with.

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After easily stomping Doom.

Reed, with the Cube ... Re-makes Galactus: (a thought, reproduced a fresh/new Galactus. lol)

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Re-makes the World: (notice Reed references big G, but Uatu says the CCU is greater. Uatu calls it "power absolute"😉

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985253_CCU_Doom20.jpg]

Also note that Odin got flipped with everyone else.

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Alters Reality with another thought: (and imo, the scene is clear that both Uatu & big G are beneath the Cube)

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985257_CCU_Doom21.jpg]

Let's not overlook this altering includes Odin likewise (and perhaps asgard which was affected prior by Doom)

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I don't really know about the rest of yall's argument, but there is one fact that's undebatable imo:

Cosmic Containment Unit >>> Galactus - fed or whatever (no contest, at, all)

"Kubik?" ... That's another discussion that does not relate to the unrestricted power of a Cosmic Cube. (CCU)

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ hey there friend ...

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For all the power Doom had acquired, Reed still pointed out,
that regardelss the [b]Cube was enough to make Doom
"master of the Universe"

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985237_CCU_Doom9.jpg]

As you can read, the CCU was also the key component to stomping Galactus to begin with.

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After easily stomping Doom.

Reed, with the Cube ... Re-makes Galactus: (a thought, reproduced a fresh/new Galactus. lol)

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Re-makes the World: (notice Reed references big G, but Uatu says the CCU is greater. Uatu calls it "power absolute"😉

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985253_CCU_Doom20.jpg]

Also note that Odin got flipped with everyone else.

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Alters Reality with another thought: (and imo, the scene is clear that both Uatu & big G are beneath the Cube)

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985257_CCU_Doom21.jpg]

Let's not overlook this altering includes Odin likewise (and perhaps asgard which was affected prior by Doom)

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I don't really know about the rest of yall's argument, but there is one fact that's undebatable imo:

Cosmic Containment Unit >>> Galactus - fed or whatever (no contest, at, all)

"Kubik?" ... That's another discussion that does not relate to the unrestricted power of a Cosmic Cube. (CCU) [/B]

First of all,galactus was already hungry in that arc,even before doom took his power
Doom attested galactus' power was greater
Reed beat doom after the hunger set in.
Recreating galactus from the dead means squat,its not a definition of how weak galactus is or what's not

That scan of doom being master of the universe also has reed saying that with galan's power he now had 'absolute power',the other 'reality warping scan' is him putting everyone to sleep,what does odin have to do with this? Doom shat on odin

Doom even with the cube needed about 3 other artifacts to drain galan's power,infact reed also siphoned off galan's power from doom before he even recreated galactus and the rest,so it wasn't even a feat for the cube alone.
Galactus was hungry throughout that arc,so the best you got is cosmic cube is above a hungry galan,that's all,nowhere near saying its above a well fed galan

And Kubik IS a cosmic cube,no matter whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by Genii96

First of all,galactus was already hungry in that arc,even before doom took his power

Doom attested galactus' power was greater


I know G was hungry.

But please, there's no reason in this story, or any other story prior or since
that would suggest Galactus is above a Cosmic Containment Unit.

Doom also once said:

"even with a fragment of a fragment," (of Cosmic Cube power) "there is no limit to what one of my means can accomplish. No limit."

Originally posted by Genii96

Reed beat doom after the hunger set in.

Recreating galactus from the dead means squat, its not a definition of how weak galactus is or what's not


So iyo, remaking Galactus fresh/anew means "squat"?

Cool, but not imo.

Originally posted by Genii96

That scan of doom being master of the universe also has reed
saying that with galan's power he now had 'absolute power',


Yes, well, Reed was taking the CCU into consideration in that boast,
while when he highlighted the CCU was "suffice to own the Universe" he mentioned nothing else. 👆

As for statements, Reed once said that Cosmic Cube power rival's the Beyonder's or the Infinity Gauntlet's:


Originally posted by Genii96

the other 'reality warping scan' is him putting everyone to sleep, what does odin have to do with this?


He tp'd everyone connected to the story to not remember any of this except for G and Uatu.
Reed exclusively allowed to them to remember. Which means they were subjected to its affects.
Originally posted by Genii96

Doom even with the cube needed about 3 other artifacts to drain galan's power


I disagree. The CCU power was all that was needed and was all that was used.

The "Ultimate Machine" gave Doom the knowledge to drain G's power.
The "Sacred Helix of Randac" altered Doom in order to access the knowledge within the "Ultimate Machine."
The "Cosmic Control" helped control/harness these objects including the CCU.

But power! .., that was all just the Cosmic Containment Unit.

You should know this if you read this story good friend.

Originally posted by Genii96

infact reed also siphoned off galan's power from doom before he even recreated galactus and the rest,
so it wasn't even a feat for the cube alone.


What? Are you suggesting the Cube used Galactus' power to do anything?

Scans?

Originally posted by Genii96

Galactus was hungry throughout that arc


a Cosmic Cube turned Thanos into Eternity.

CCUs have omniversal feats under their belts. Come on friend.

Originally posted by Genii96

And Kubik IS a cosmic cube,no matter whether you like it or not.


Well, not exactly. Kubik is an evolved Cosmic Cube, which makes him a Cube Being.

Again, CCUs (the cube you can hold) impose limitations upon themselves upon reaching sentience.

This has been portrayed through out the years here and there, like here:

Normal Cube beings like Kubik do not, and can not perform multi-universal feats on their own.

While a CCU has literally completely collapsed the omniverse, all of it, and later remade it anew with a thought.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That over-sized scan doesn't do anything for me friend.

Where has it been made official by Marvel that this book and its like is non-canon?

You say "by default" ... cool, but according to what source?

btw. You don't need to bite my head off for the inquiry. I'm truly intrigued.


All ages imprint is non canon.

Any more questions?

Originally posted by Genii96
1) If you don't believe its a low showing,why bring it up?

Because it is tied to the topic?

2) Considering the fact that obvlivion was watching the multiverse itself,and noting that their fight would do what chaos king couldn't,I am going to take his word of ur baseless assumptions,him wondering about scrier means crap when he is seeing what is happening to the multiverse

Oblivion wasn't sure about the situation. Only scrier was.

http://i.imgur.com/ubFx2El.jpg

And in his opinion, it was just a universe.

http://i.imgur.com/MQ2pCKn.jpg

3)So?,it still vaped a watcher,featless or whatever,its still a watcher,it still vaped a galaxy,still massively drained annihilus,and that was a galactus starving to near death,even worse than a regular hungry one,hum being hungry afterwards dosent take the feat away.

So?

He was still drained completely after destroying what, a galaxy?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22656010/Beta_Ray_Bill_Godhunter_3_of_3-06.jpg.html

Skyfather level.

3) Galactus KO'd? The headbut knocked them both to earth,galactus got right back up,odin went to sleep and could barely move.

Yes, both were koed. Galactus got up but he was still koed.

Galactys used no form of physical or cosmic attacks whatsoever,when someone headbuts me,and gets put to sleep and can barely work after while I get right back up,we are not equals,not by any stretch of the imagination.

Except they were peers in TP and both got koed by an attack from Odin. Ergo, peers.

4) Doom abandoned the cube when he got galan's power,he crushed odin with galan's power alone

No, he did not. He still had the CCR and helix of Randac.

5) Um,are you about to compare adult to kid franklin? And adult franklin didn't just use his power,he also used the power of kid franklin too?

That he was above Galcatus? A universal reality warper?

How does that even help your case?. Those celestials were confirmed to be as strong as 616 celestials and they were causing multiversal collapse,tanking alternate IGs and UNs,so being alternate is a dumb aproach.

Is it? Alternate universe celestials are alternate universe celestials.

Against the galactus engine the entire armada of celestials including arishem were all either killed off or ran with their tails behind their legs,so whether you see them as 'far above galactus' or some BS,feats say otherwise...using hungry galactus to try to somehow lowabll him will not help.

They were beaten first. Galactus did nothing to Galactus engine too, its like saying Captain America is more powerful than everyone because he was last to IG THanos.

Its a dumb rhetoric logic.

6) Doom didn't oneshot crap,don't bring up BS,he used the cube,cosmic rod and another machine to sneakshot and steal galan's power,he had a taste of both powers and acknowledged galactus' as greater

Doom said vibranium gave him more power than both the beyonder and Galactus. That must be true too.

...:e got beat after he began to hunger...infact galactus who was drained was hungry to begin with..AT BEST,what you would hop to infer is cosmic cube>hungry galan...which again shits on whatever lowball argument you want to bring up,so don't even bother
You are just ignoring the most important factor. CCU recreated Galactus from scratch. Can Galactus do the same.

7) How is he above skyfathers? Maybe because he has faced beings far stronger than skyfathers? Like agamotto in his own universe?[quote] A skyfather you mean?[quote],primordial gods?,scrier and other?[quote] All skyfather level beings. [quote]and celestials?,how is he above celestials? Maybe the fact that he ripped them apart with hus bare hands,and took 4 of them at once easily?,or maybe because he outdid them against the galactus engine?
He was amped against alternate celestials and he killed one of them with his hands. He never beat 4 of them. He didn't do shit against GE of course.

8)Reed beat doom after the hunger set in,that alone shits on any galactus lowball,and galactus himself was hungry when doom stole his powers,basically,doom was running on the energies of a hungry galactus,used those energies up even more,was affected by the hunger,and then had the energies siphoned off him and put back in galactus,not even worth lowballing.like I said above ur hope here is saying cosmic cube>hungry galactus,which means shit to a well fed galan who oneshots celestials

CCU recreated Galactus. Twice. Cry more.

9) If you think celestials are skyfather levels,then this debate has no point,it wasn't arishem who blocked the destroyer's strongest attack with his palm,kubik stated the celestials...,not exitar or arishem were above them,and it damn wasn't arishem nor exitar that were causing the multiversal collapse of the mad celestials. So whatever fanfic u got,just drop it.

Haha, celestials are multiversal. So what would be beings like Eternity? Omniversal? LT? Omni-omniversal?

This shit is hilarious.

Originally posted by abhilegend

All ages imprint is non canon.

Any more questions?


Originally posted by Mr Master

Where has it been made official by Marvel that this book and its like is non-canon?

... according to what source?


I did some research and found no reason to support this idea.
So, until actual proof is presented there is no basis to suggest it's non-canon imo.

That's simply Marvel's "rating system" which applies to the context of the story. There's no relation to canonicity.

5 levels:

All Ages = self explanatory
A = Appropriate for age 9 and up
T+ = Suggested for Teen and Up
PA = Parental Advisory
Max = Explicit Content

Originally posted by Mr Master
I did some research and found no reason to support this idea.
So, until actual proof is presented there is no basis to suggest it's non-canon imo.

That's simply Marvel's "rating system" which applies to the context of the story. There's no relation to canonicity.

5 levels:

All Ages = self explanatory
A = Appropriate for age 9 and up
T+ = Suggested for Teen and Up
PA = Parental Advisory
Max = Explicit Content

"All ages" imprint is set in Marvel animated universe.

http://www.newsarama.com/9083-new-all-ages-comic-line-tied-to-marvel-animation-updated.html

You need to prove it's canon. Not me.

Whatever. Goku solos all of them.

Originally posted by abhilegend

"All ages" imprint is set in Marvel animated universe.

http://www.newsarama.com/9083-new-all-ages-comic-line-tied-to-marvel-animation-updated.html


I don't think so friend. Those specific titles will derive from tv, ... not all "all ages" rated stories.

That aside, I didn't even see where in that interview anything was considered/labeled "non-canon."

The stories titled "Marvel Adventures" have always been non-canon to 616.

But the Spiderman & Secret Wars mini arc has nothing to do with marvel adventures.
In fact, the Spidey story follows the flow of the original SW1 story nigh verbatim.
... and, There's no mention of it being an alternate world, or a diverged one.

Originally posted by abhilegend

You need to prove it's canon. Not me.


I don't have to do that. You're the one that's stamping restrictions on the book.

There's this though ...

Marvel Comics' Editor and Director of Content & Character Develepment was asked:

... if the "all ages" Spidey adventures were "canon" and she replied:

"I believe so"

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/adcc-marvel-announces-all-ages-in-continuity-spidey

Funny, since I myself thought that would be non-canon.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I know G was hungry.

But please, there's no reason in this story, or any other story prior or since
that would suggest Galactus is above a Cosmic Containment Unit.

Doom also once said:

"even with a fragment of a fragment," (of Cosmic Cube power) "there is no limit to what one of my means can accomplish. No limit."

So iyo, remaking Galactus fresh/anew means "squat"?

Cool, but not imo.

Yes, well, Reed was taking the CCU into consideration in that boast,
while when he highlighted the CCU was "suffice to own the Universe" he mentioned nothing else. 👆

As for statements, Reed once said that Cosmic Cube power rival's the Beyonder's or the Infinity Gauntlet's:

He tp'd everyone connected to the story to not remember any of this except for G and Uatu.
Reed exclusively allowed to them to remember. Which means they were subjected to its affects.

I disagree. The CCU power was all that was needed and was all that was used.

The "Ultimate Machine" gave Doom the knowledge to drain G's power.
The "Sacred Helix of Randac" altered Doom in order to access the knowledge within the "Ultimate Machine."
The "Cosmic Control" helped control/harness these objects including the CCU.

But power! .., that was all just the Cosmic Containment Unit.

You should know this if you read this story good friend.

What? Are you suggesting the Cube used Galactus' power to do anything?

Scans?

a Cosmic Cube turned Thanos into Eternity.

CCUs have omniversal feats under their belts. Come on friend.

Well, not exactly. Kubik is an evolved Cosmic Cube, which makes him a Cube Being.

Again, CCUs (the cube you can hold) impose limitations upon themselves upon reaching sentience.

This has been portrayed through out the years here and there, like here:

Normal Cube beings like Kubik do not, and can not perform multi-universal feats on their own.

While a CCU has literally completely collapsed the omniverse, all of it, and later remade it anew with a thought.

1) That doom scan,he was talking about owen reece, a cube being,not an actual containment unit

2)The part where reed compares the cube's power the the beyonders/IG: beyonder is a cubed being,so them rivaling in power is legit,on the other hand...magnus with the incomplete IG merged 2 universes together and IIRC,stated it would've taken longer with 5 CCUs,also goddess put 30 CCUs together to form a cosmic egg and noted it was weaker than the IG...morever,if it actually rivals beyonder's power,then it is nowhere near the IG,which is above even eternity...its like saying I rival the power of odin and a celestial,to rival,means their power is close to one another,if I rival a celestial,then odin is nothing,if I rival odin,a celestial is nothing,reed saying it rivals beyonder and the IG makes no sense,those two are very far apart in power.

3)Yes,the CCU after draining galactus' power from doom,resurrected galactus,however reed with the UN recreated the MU,including everything in it,remaking it without abraxas and making sue pregnant,now would you also say UN>all the abstracts of the MU?,CW herc remade the multiverse too,would you put him above multi eternity,tribunal etc? No, kid franklin also ressurected galactus,he wasn't stronger than a fed galan either during the mad celestial arc, my point is,you don't have to be stronger than someone,to resurrect him/her. And galactus was pretty much dead when he was ressurected,its not like the cube actually remade him against his will,

4)If the CCU alone,could have removed galan's power on a whim,doom would not have gone through ALL the trouble to get those equipments to learn HOW to take his power away,a simple' cosmic cube give me the power of galactus' would have been enough,and if the CCU was above him as you say,Doom who had both,would not have thrown away the cube after gaining galan's power if the cube was greater at that time,he had both powers at once. Obviously he couldn't simply remove galan's power from him by force,otherwise he would have just done it. The mere fact that doom had to acquire all those eqipments shows the CCU alone could not just remove his power. Also doom with his powers dosent correlate to being as good as galan was with the powers,with a difference of about thousand billion years of experience and usage between them

5) CCU never operated on an omniversal scale...u r reffering to when,doom with the cube tried to make it rewrite the universe in his image,it couldn't and instead found a universe to his liking and overlapped it with 616,this Is what began to cause the omniversal problem,roma then sent the xmen after him,magneto got a hold of it and overlapped another universe on the previous ones,and finally I believe It was red skull who overlapped the last one,that is what caused the omniversal disturbance,it was just the CCU overlapping 4 universes,and at different times,basically a universal feat. Kubik could warp a universe into his palm. I don't recall a CCu remaking the omniverse at any stage.

6)Thanos never became eternity with a CCU,he just became part of the universe,he became eternity when he actually beat eternity with the IG,with the CCU,he just became part of the universe/merged with it..again,universal feat,the beyonder himself also embodies a universe too,he is a cubed being

7) That entire story had galactus being hungry,no way in any shape or form can you can translate that to being above a well fed galan. Reed richards didn't mention the CCu when he said doom had it all,and absolute power after taking galan's power,he referenced each of them one by one,not to mention the fact that doom threw away the cube after gaining galan's power.

8) Kubik stated a fight between him and the super adaptoid after copying his powerse would break nigh infinte universes and realities,molecule man and beyonder were causing trans multiversal damage during their fight,and were warping 2D universes into 3D ones as a side effect,so yes,cubed beings do have multi-universal feats under their belts.
Magnus admitted that 5 CCUs together would have taken days just to properly merge 2 universes together,goddess had to take 30 CCUs,and merge them together before she started warping on a multi-universal/multiversal scale...they are not close to what you are trying to portray

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Originally posted by Genii96

That doom scan, he was talking about owen reece, a cube being, not an actual containment unit


And Owen only had a fraction of the Cosmic Cube power he was a part of with Beyonder.
It's why Doom called it a "fragment of a fragment."

Beyonder took most of the energy from the Cube they shared.

So this actually speaks volumes about CCU power.