Spectre Vs Marvel/DC Gauntlet

Originally posted by Mr Master
Galactus was able to reform himself, his ship and the heroes, under his own power.

Death was trying to trick Strange, supposedly going to interfere with big G's reconstruction.
The Vishanti never showed up btw, and the Ancient One only advised Strange.

Galactus didn't get help from anyone.

Wow this gauntlet got big with just information alone.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
[B]Flew off the handle? The amount of made up fantasy in your posts are pretty high.

Nah, its the reality.

Just because you are "Uh-huh, I don't care" doesn't mean anything.

You don't give a shit yet you really want my opinion of everything.

No, I just want to laugh at you.

Gotcha?

See, you complain about essays yet you think merely posting handwaving sentences makes up for it. Look at you bragging that you've posting a 7 post reply when your post only adds up to 1.5 limit breaking posts without the benefits of my posts adding in.

In your mind you think you've posted some huge post that is inarguable, yet you think apparently giving me compliments on "essays" is something that's going to hurt my feelings?

😂

"He wants to post essays, I'll show him an essay... spread out into single sentences along 7 posts, and then I'll mock him about essays."

Hahaha, is this supposed to be an insult? I'm simply mocking you, you buffoon.

Since a lot of the reason I responded to all your handwaving was because of adding in a message, I won't be directly addressing your handwaving here considering all it is is "No" posts. It's just a big circle.

I think colors would be best to respond to anything that actually has a point or you actually try in... how many colors you see depends on how many points are even worth replying to. Which I get pretty generous of what's actually worth replying to I'll admit.

And in case you're wondering because you even accuse me of simply saying "nuh uh", there's a difference between merely saying "NO!" in verbatim and actually explaining why you disagree and going through it thoroughly.

I'm actually using logic as opposed to simply disagreeing.

You might not disagree with it, but even a child should be able to tell the difference between your handwaving and me disagreeing.

And that's not bias on my part, that's just using a better way to go about things. You think merely adding a sentence without explaining why you disagree is enough to overrule something purely because you replied to it. I don't, which is why I go in depth and you don't.

Yeah, just using handwaving for several paragraphs is going in depth. You're fooling nobody.

And yes, everything I already said that you simply tried to handwave away would still apply considering you didn't even attempt to go against it besides just covering your ears and screaming no.

I don't even need to reply here besides a couple things because you've brought nothing to the table except a big giant whiney NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

You're even replying to parts of my post asking you to explain your handwaving where you just disagree without explaining why. You even accuse me of doing it when you're replying to me saying you're doing it.
Hell at the start of your post you reply to something where I said Johns wrote 50-100 issues of Spectre and Bendis wrote 6 issues and I asked you to explain why they're the same. You didn't even try. I don't know if you're trolling or what at this point in time but you're absolutely awful at debating either way.

Whine. whine, whine. whine..............ad nauseam

Nothing changed.

How curious.

[color=pink]Him merging with Gah Lak Tus wasn't even under Bendis you big stupid idiot.

That Galactus tanked a supernova as well and was "defeated" (Gah Lak Tus forcefully ripped from him) by having being hit by a weapon that ripped through universes on him and all that did was make him hungry.

Hell, that "superweapon" lead directly into his hunger state under Bendis' pen.

[quote[And yes, Johns did write some beastly feats for Spectre (though it was against characters he underwrote anyway),[/quote] Ahahaaha, now he just underwrote characters who got beaten by Spectre.

crylaugh

You're just so predictable at this point.

but when your argument is that Johns shit on Spectre for the many many appearances he wrote of him that doesn't compare to Bendis writing 6 issues of 616 Galactus.

I really don't understand how you feel this is even a comparison. He wrote Galactus standing around for 6 issues to get BFR'ed at the end. That's it. Johns wrote many many arcs involving Spectre with many many low feats in there that even yourself admit.

That's just shitty in every retrospect. Spectre raapages, and only gets stopped by Presence.

Galactus rampages and gets beaten by a simple BFR.

Apparently that's not enough humiliation.

And it's not like Bendis even wrote Galactus low either. He took an incredibly hungry Galactus and bfr'ed him.

You're going on basically one low showing IYO and comparing it to many low showings.

How do you even think this works out to the same thing? How was Bendis as important a figure in Galactus as Johns was in Spectre? You still haven't explained this. You haven't even begun to explain this besides repeating it.

How about Starlin's Galactus then? He wrote him in literally dozens of issues and he gets shit upon nearly all of them.

It's a stupid thing to defeat Galactus, I never disagreed with, but there's nothing exactly low in that except Galactus' power getting forgotten. You're trying to add words into my mouth there. A dimensional BFR is a lot better than actually losing... unless you think Superman getting BFR'ed by Surfer immediately means something in a Superman/Surfer thread.

Just because you think it's low, doesn't mean I do as well. I just think Bendis blatantly disregarded his powers.

No, it means Galactus can be beaten by just a dimensional BFR.

Suck on it bran.

lol at spinning though. Your entire part here is you trying to spin this into something I think. And to spin Bendis/Galactus into the same thing as Johns/Spectre. And you continue to ignore me actually asking you why it would even start to be the same thing.

Well the first part is me saying you can't even begin to explain your points, so I'd have to quote nearly everything you said. 😬

But as for the "I don't like it, it didn't happen" you do, well let's take a random peak here

Its like you're just fixated on one writer and no other writer exist for you where Spectre is concerened.

You're essentially carver at this point.

Which is funny considering you're now championing Johns Spectre. Consistency

I'm talking about Spectre as a whole.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Sure, sure.

It's not even canon to Galactus. And everytime you bring it up you get yelled at by the mods. Like, you're a huge glutton for punishment.

But I like how you just try to handwave it away.

It's not like Krona even attacked Spectre anyway.

Oh right, he was busy being dead.

But yes like I said, it'd be another high feat. Of which you've used essentially nothing to try and override an average or whatever the **** you're doing at this stage in time.

You're essentially just using low feats for Spectre at this point.

Good job carver jr.

I've already admitted using high feats only for Spectre he can win. I've asked you for high feats because it factors into an average of which you've just tried to ignore this entire time.

You even try and flip the script later because you refuse to acknowledge that Spectre's history as a whole might not be as impressive as you're trying to portray... or at least until you get the chance to shit on Spectre when it directly threatens Superman in the future.

Good job Carver Jr.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Did you just say Spectre doesn't have a lower average than what you're saying and he has no low feats?

Jesus Christ the delusion here. You've already blatantly admitted Johns only wrote low feats, and now you're saying he has no low feats? Talk about changing arguments completely.

But again that's your forte from start. If Johns only wrote low feats for Spectre, how come he can beat characters who can change entire reality?

If those are low feats, Spectre has a damn great average.

But anyway, curious if ripping a fully intact Celestial counts under your specific questions.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Celestials/FantasticFour_604_020.jpg

Amped Galactus, high end feat. Does not counts.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

How stupid are you?

I merely mentioned a high feat for Spectre and then posted your prior opinion on it before you could bring it up.

I only posted it to cut you off from championing it. Now you're playing stupid, which I guess is to be expected.

😆

Now that your bait is not taken, you're just being butthurt about it? Good god, what are you? 5 years old?

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why time 3 [/B]

Sure, sure.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Wow this gauntlet got big with just information alone.

truth, lol. fun to read though lol! Salute to the comic section. Aside from the personal jabs, there's some serious debating skills here.

i suppose based on implied power (with amp and all) he should be able to clear this. Based on feat...well that may be another matter lol. The best thing i can remember from Spectre was the Anti-monitor battle which he was in comatose after. But i don't think he was fully backed by Presence. I think his amp came from the magic users, iirc. i'm gonna go review his respect thread now haha.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
[B]I didn't write off any feats Spectre has done.

😂

Great joke branver.

In fact I've outright stated he had decent highs. I'm just saying there's a lot of bad in there that you have to sift through. There's a reason posts like this exist

In reality, he has far more high end feats than Galactus does. And far less embarrassing lows than him too.

Considering you're now of the opinion that Spectre has no low feats at all even though you admitted he did earlier, it would seem pretty controversial to you.

The hell? When did I say he has no low showings?

But it's hilarious how you just gave up and just said "you first" after I asked you to prove your stance. I have no problem doing so, but I asked you first and you just deflected that with no shame.

So, I can laugh at your stance first.

Even his DOV showing that you're using for whatever reason that you can't explain why it applies besides your pride isn't very impressive when you're dealing with this level. In fact, that story is the whole reason people think Spectre is a Skyfather level being. Oh yeah, pooled energy and God!

He has decent highs in a small quantity, bad lows, and then he has showings where he just gets raped by really powerful beings. And then feats where he looks decent, but he's doing it to people far below him.

Which doesn't paint this "Beyond Celestial Race" shit you're trying to portray here.

If we're solely talking high feats, then I've no issue saying he beats Galactus... which I've stated before. If we're talking full histories, then it becomes muddied, of which I'm undecided who wins at this stage.

Which I've stated before. I don't know what you're having trouble with, though with your ability to not understand anything it makes sense.

I'm not saying his high feats don't impress me, I'm saying give me some actual high feats in a decent quantity to overwrite what every other feat portrays. Averages aren't decided solely by like 5-ish high feats. The fact that posts like this exist from you when it's in favor of a different DC character vs a Marvel one farther proves your hypocrisy:

http://i.imgur.com/ZogNBOl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pr9u50a.jpg

Retconned away. But I like how you consider that retcon, not a retcon.

I will get at that little point of hypocrisy from you. Just wait for it bran.

Low showings are alright as long as it causes Marvel characters to lose.

Well, considering you're trying to handwave away something with "it's horseshit", I think most would assume that doesn't answer anything. Which explains this whole argument. You simply won't explain anything and you think a single sentence without explaining anything defeats a point.

http://i.imgur.com/ztzqol1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4vVJVni.jpg

Considering what it was? Its a huge showing.

http://i.imgur.com/ZRXsIsn.jpg

Shitty average. Hey, it had no soul either.

But I know what you're going to post now, Hal getting his ass handed to him. Go ahead, I want a good laugh.

I'm not saying only low feats matter for Spectre. I'm saying they factor into an average.

And considering I don't think his average feats are too impressive on this level, it factors in even more. I'm saying that you have to make a separation between average Spectre and high feats only Spectre.

Hell, didn't you just whine and complain about Galactus being involved in a multiversal destroying fight and act like it shouldn't count, which if you weren't such a hypocrite, it'd seem you'd agree with my basic idea.

If you're going to make such claims however, it's relevant to include what exactly you're using. And you utterly refuse to even budge on that because you're a massive egotistical prick who never admits he's wrong.

Have you?

"Spectre's average is so high, look at these high feats while I change my argument into saying he has no low feats."

That's your whole point here.

Just like JMD tried to retcon Galactus into having no form and he takes form to manifest to lesser beings. It didn't stick.

However, him retconning Spectre's power is completely irrelevant as he never got the power back (until Jim Corrigan died anyway).

But that's just looking at one page. Let's actually get a real answer between this instead of

In fact, it was only Phantom Stranger who appeared in 2 pages that issue who said it... and it took half of Spectre's power to keep the Jim Corrigan avatar alive who then manifested that power himself.

hysterical

This is like the most pathetic argument I've ever seen. Bwahahahahaha.

No, no, let me do that again.

Bwahahahahaha.

Which considering how in depth they didn't go with PS retconning Spectre's history away, it would seem that Jim when he's with Spectre is full power, and Unbound Spectre with Jim still alive is only half power.

But is that my assumption, or is that what happened?

Here's the full scene:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p12.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p13.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p14.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p15.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p16.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p17.jpg.html

IE, everything PS said was correct, but only when Spectre and Jim were separate.

You're just pathetic at this point.

That would seem a pretty logical take of the events, no? But the issue takes it a step farther:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p20.jpg.html

Jim-Spectre manifested takes back the unbound Spectre and he says his power is restored.

IE they pool together and add up to a whole when they're together. They are at full power when together. There is nothing to my recollection that says they aren't. Merely checking out one page on comicvine doesn't tell a whole story Abby.

But I like how you pretend that Corrigan never appeared again in flesh after that scene and Spectre v3 never happened. It was ten years ago in the continuity.

http://i.imgur.com/X70Qzxe.jpg

And Corrigan inform us that he will not let Spectre come to his body and he will die because of it.

😂

So much for your interpretations.

So, you can say Unbound Spectre is at half power when Jim is alive at the time, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate he is half power when he's merged with Jim.

That's just another one of your braindead assumptions based on a blatant misinterpretation of comics.

And that's leaving out the obvious question of why the **** wouldn't two halves of Spectre be at full power when they're together?

And that's also assuming we merely take PS' word on Spectre as absolute fact and absolutely retcons every Unbound appearance as well when Jim is the "host".[/color] [/B]

How about you shut your mouth and actually read the comic?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Galactus isn't even connected to God. The fact that Spectre has any connection at all to God voids any comparisons.

To go one step farther however, here Nabu says that "[b]ONCE AGAIN HE has to take you to whoever's available"

Indicating that God places God's Wrath inside a human host because God has a direct connection to God's wrath. And God the creator of God's Wrath has placed God's Wrath inside a human host before. Like, ****, how are you so dense?

Everytime God places Spectre inside a human host God is the only one who can stop him? Among other things. But you're just going to play stupid there, so what's the point?

You're not even trying anymore.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Do you not know how to read? I said Omega hasn't done anything to indicate he was above Galactus.

Here, here's a quote of me saying it:

But I like how you glossed over the fact that you lied about Omega not able to feed on planets.

Which is true.

The first thing that pops up on Omega is that he's "twice as powerful as Galactus". I'm not trying to hide that, I know it, you know it, it's like the most well know thing about him. What I'm saying is that he has done nothing to indicate he's above Galactus.

Using hyperbole doesn't disprove that. Might as well say Martian Manhunter is stronger than Superman.

Where are the statement about Galactus being above Omega?

I'm not lying you moron, I'm using proof to indicate it.

The fact that you later try to use Galactus getting smashed by two planets as a low feat, and reply to Galactus tanking a nova, when both are above Omega under Starlin shows even you don't think it's applicable to Galactus.

http://i.imgur.com/KTEwqWl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jVRhQ0g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qWYF5ri.jpg

On the very next page he was shown in his ship.

Under starlin he died from a solar system level blast in Infinity War.

Just because Omega got killed by a planet when Galactus has tanked more in weaker states that doesn't mean it's applicable to Galactus. Use your Goddamned head. You're using a completely other character to try and downplay Galactus when even Starlin has way better feats for Galactus.

And that's without getting into context.

Just because he has a lot of hyperbole doesn't mean his feats - or more specifically in your case, low feats - are applicable to Galactus. Though I know you desperately want it to be. The planet eater Galactus has no feats to indicate he'd get killed by a planet getting blown up. You can't apply it to him. Simple really. [/B]

Yeah, just someone twice as powerful as him died from getting a planet blown up.

Perfectly canon. Suck on it bran.

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Originally posted by One Big Mob
[B]So you'd be alright with Mxy theoretically killing Spectre with a pillow then?

I'm alright with Omega dying with a planet blowing up.

But there's a difference between not causing collateral damage and literally hitting someone with an object. Not to mention the blast didn't even go past Galactus in the first place to hit the planet, so you utterly failed there like usual. You've failed your comparison already.

He still died.

But onto the Mxy example. The planets blew up completely against the Galactuses. Mxy knocked out Spectre by hitting him with the planet that wasn't even enough to destroy the planet completely.

If he hit him that hard in that way it should have went right through the planet considering the downward motion.

Yet, it does.

Though it's funny you try and lowball planets when it comes to Galactus, but try and play them up for Spectre like Mxy makes the planets harder or something.

And half powered Spectre.

There's context for both. I'm just trying to get you to realize that just because it involves a planet doesn't mean it's low. Which you never will.

But continue to whine.

And onto the sun example. The same three Celestials unfused were beating Adult Franklin who (Kid Franklin) could create universes and stave off multiversal collapse for a time.

The fact that you'd try and use the sun to lowball the Celestials and therefore Galactus when YOU'RE A SUPERMAN FAN is hilarious though. As you're well aware, just because you're empowered by something, that doesn't limit your power to that level.

Not to mention the Celestials tanked the UN on two different occasions in that arc as well. Like... it's hilarious the lengths you go.

😂

Point>>your head.

It always comes back to Superman. Superman surviving the equivalent of two small planets colliding and getting knocked out isn't the same.

http://i.imgur.com/CWdbsEu.jpg

Where is the proof that the planets Galactus almost got killed were big?

Though I'll admit it doesn't look good. At least Galactus was weakened and the explosion almost killed a dimension eater, so there's that.

John barely survived. Galactus survived completely unscathed.

But you fail to realize (surprisingly) why I brought up the Nova. I didn't bring it up as a good feat. I brought it up because when Galactus can utterly tank a nova, then it makes the planets blowing up either look questionable, or some sort of unknown explosion considering the sizable nuclear device.

The planets were either greater than the Nova, or it was pis within its own story if we're looking at it so black and white as you are.

Though I've had a more intelligent conversation with Astner on this than you, so I won't waste my time trying to explain it to such a dumb ass.

Concession accepted.

Galactus wasn't even in Infinity Crusade.

Though it's humorous you still continue to use a vision of a universe blowing up through a supernova(s?) as some sort of low feat...

for every character imaginable.

Galactus has tanked two supernovas.

Even if he appeared in Infinity Crusade, that wasn't even real. Why the hell would that overwrite anything? And that's without factoring the fact that Goddess was blowing them up backed by the Cosmic Egg.

Which you tried to make a point of Superman survived two planets pushed by the Source. So... I don't understand the limits of your desperation.

Where would Galactus' average be after Starlin?

Omega isn't even Galactus. Nor again does he have anything proving in way of feats that he's beyond Galactus. You can't just mix hyperbole with feats when you refuse to accept feats of Galactus.

Whine more about it.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

When in the **** have I ever said Spectre solely recreated the big bang? Why do you lie all the time and even misinterpret other poster's words?
I'd go find a quote of me saying exactly what happened, but you're literally replying to a paraphrased version:

"I said Spectre contributed to the energy released. As did Parallax's energy which was enough on its own. That is your argument as well, only with a distinct selective memory on Parallax's energy being involved."

Parallax's energy was enough on its own? Then why did Spectre overloaded Damage anyway? Not to mention, half powered Spectre fought Parallax to the point he was powerless.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ZHpt005_pg021.jpg

How do you overload someone who had the power of big bang anyway?

I don't even know what I'd be backtracking on. I've always maintained the stance that Parallax's energy were enough on there own, as even indicated by Parallax.

The only thing I left out was it being the plasma energy of the universe as opposed to Parallax himself. Just because you're too stupid to understand anything doesn't mean you can put words in my mouth.

But let's go over the actual feat right here:

Parallax starts creating a universe with plasma energy that when hardened, will create a universe:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-06.jpg

The heroes start absorbing energy from that universe:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-15.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-16.jpg.html

In two pages, they've absorbed "[/I]Most[/I]" of Parallax's energy.

Then while still absorbing energy (the energy is shown still flowing into the heroes), they start putting the energy into Damage. Everything seems to indicate that this is enough on its own to cause a big bang. Even Parallax says so.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-17.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-18.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-19.jpg.html

But you just said "he said it will cause a big bang".

mmm

If the "most of parallax's energy" was enough to create a big bang, the heroes wouldn't need Superman.

Then when Damage is near enough to blow up, Spectre comes in and puts it over the top:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-20.jpg.html

Parallax's energies were the number 1 factor there. Spectre just came in and topped it off quicker. That's not to say it's a bad feat for Spectre like whatever you think I'm saying, but it's not solely attributable to Spectre, and I've never said otherwise.

Though this is hilarious coming from you considering you tried to completely write Spectre and Parallax's energies out of the feat, yet here you are being a giant hypocrite again.

Also funny asking you when Galactus had a hand in creating a big bang considering you used to think (still think) Superman contributed 1/4 worth of a big bang, so my answer to you would be that uh... if Superman contributed a large portion IYO, then where's the feat?

But here you are who said Spectre had a bigger role than Superman and suddenly doing 180.

Keep it on Bran.

Though that's just sinking down to your butthurt levels. Galactus has never contributed to a big bang because he hasn't tried.

However considering your latest Galactus butthurt has you butthurting over the multiverse destroying feat with the Order/Scrier, I'd say that's applicable.

However, let's take a look at some quotes from that thread. Here's some major hypocrisy from you:

Here's what I said on the subject:

Oh look, even back then you misinterpreted what I said. You really are terrible at reading:

So yeah, don't put words in my mouth just because you lack a fundamental reading comprehension past the 4th grade.[/color] [/B]

😂

Point>>>Above your head again. But that's usual for you.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

And the fact that you're using a statement from a different event to factor into John's average of Spectre is pretty sad as well. Especially after admitting that Johns jobs Spectre.
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Seriously? Just because its from a different event means its not written by Johns? Dear God!

Originally posted by One Big Mob
[B]It has about as much to do with this thread as pooled energy over a period of time does. I just took this as a time to talk about the variables of the feat considering we're talking about basically nothing that adds to anything. Only you think this feat is relevant. Probably in the entire world if we're being honest.

You're the one who is just handwaving it away, but now I'm the one who is the only one who is believing in it only?

😂

It's not about diminishing anything. It's about you bringing up a completely pointless thing and are trying to pass it off as some great feat. You do this a lot. You misinterpret something and then cry when people correct you that it's not an actual feat or something, only in this case, you're not even misinterpreting it, well in a way that matters... you're just falsely trying to make something out of nothing because your brain don't work so well. If this was Spectre's power, then sure it'd be a great feat. If this was Spectre fighting this power all at once, then sure it'd be a great feat. But it wasn't. It was Spectre murdering a bunch of beings separately. It looks good for Spectre in comics, but it's ultimately meaningless in a debate. You continue to just try to not explain why it counts though. He killed a bunch of beings... what then?

Murdered a few Lords of Orders who had enough power to create a new multiverse.

You are acting like he killed some million magic users.

If Surfer went around murdering planet destroyers until he killed enough that the power laying around could destroy a galaxy or a universe or what have you, would you be able to accurately portray how this applies to Surfer?

Of course not, because it's meaningless. The people Surfer killed would be the impressive part and feat, not the pooled energies of them that someone could use to destroy way more than Surfer's worth. I'm pretty sure Spider-Man has defeated enough beings to destroy a solar system at least for that matter. Still doesn't make it applicable to Spider-Man. You're bypassing the actual feat in favor of how many and you realize you can't explain why it's applicable. It's a classic Abby shoddy practice example.

Yes, Galactus became an infinite star:

Though I can't see how one showing of energy means anything. Comics are inconsistent. And not everyone releases energy in vast quantities. For example Spectre when he "died"
http://i.imgur.com/Ou5j8aj.jpg?1

Not to mention Galactus supplied at least 1/3 of the power to threaten to destroy the infinite Marvel Multiverse, and was going to be used on his own to destroy 2 universes in Annihilation:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/galactusuniversefeatno4.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/galactusuniversefeat1ob8.jpg

Annihilus was going to tinker with him to destroy 616 universe and has Opposite Force destroy negative zone. "Galactus being will be made a catalyst, let it ignite a conflagration" "The negative zone, let opposing universe sweep it clean".

Now you're flat out lying?

In fact Surfer reveals that just destroying the galaxy/solar system at that point drained Galactus of his entire power.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22656010/Beta_Ray_Bill_Godhunter_3_of_3-06.jpg.html

Bwahahaha.

So really it doesn't matter when you're trying to apply this to Galactus anyway. You're underhanded attempts to lowball are as ever, sneaky as shit though. If you weren't so braindead you'd be a master at lowballing.

It was a whole bunch of pooled energy that wasn't even Spectre's. I have no issue speaking of the power he defeated, but he did this largely one on one or two on one. Had he faced all that power at once he would have been swiftly beaten to death. He ended an entire age of magic. He killed a tremendous amount of beings to say the least.

He then beat Cap after he had absorbed most of the magic in the universe.

So, no.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Are you using a questionably canon to Marvel crossover to say Kismet is equal to Eternity because Eternity put his dick in her, and then ABC logic that into Nabu because he was called the most powerful Lord of Order in a story which wasn't factoring in Kismet or her being equal to "Eternity"?

http://i.imgur.com/Utc8KSu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mwsUZLM.jpg

And Nabu is "The most powerful Lord of Order". Even after being weakened he beat Typhon with the power of every lord of order and chaos and was endangering "all reality" and "entire creation".

http://i.imgur.com/IdxHSXp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GrKfdwR.jpg

Lords of Order flat out said that he nearly wrought destruction of entire creation.

http://i.imgur.com/tnoSo7a.jpg

All of this while dimin

http://i.imgur.com/bO4emrv.jpg

A random vampire with a fraction of power of Lords of Order destroyed entire creation.

http://imgur.com/C3Ohg8F
http://imgur.com/8NL9bY2
http://imgur.com/YRvl6FK
http://imgur.com/K6zhQVr
http://imgur.com/7rQrAeY

Chaos and Order had created Creation from scratch.

http://i.imgur.com/fqW5ZzZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0cAoEzr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zAJVUTB.jpg

In a story where Spectre had trouble with Shazam?

http://imgur.com/KIYCYMx

Forgot to add that, eh?

The amount of logic leaps here is tremendous. Also, saying Nabu is above Kismet is like saying Nabu is above Mordru just because of that statement.

Which Nabu is not in any way above Mordru.

Nabu gloating doesn't suddenly make him above the ambiguously titled Lord of Order Kismet when you're assuming she's Eternity level.

Her very first appearance has her as a Lord of Order.

http://imgur.com/HfdHF3N

Superman secret files 1999.

http://imgur.com/7MtxOMm

JLA A-Z

http://i.imgur.com/JFDX8Ei.jpg

All have her as a Lord of Order.

Same with Nabu is wrong anyway when he assumed all the Lords of Order were dead (Mordru wasn't), considering he should have known that if Kismet were included in there that the universe would have ended:
http://i.imgur.com/khgpCxD.jpg?1

Ninth age of magic ended with every magical Lord of Order and we've seen a weakened Nabu kicking Typhon's ass with all the power of Lords.

🙂

Which farther throws a wrench in his statement.

Fate only beat Mordru because Mordru was weakened:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/P00004.jpg.html

Hector was stalemating him until Mordru absorbed his power and then casually overpowered him when he wore the helmet.

http://imgur.com/Xu678US
http://imgur.com/DBhppJE
http://imgur.com/6Zsh0Ft

Way to go "More powerful than Nabu" Mordru.

And Fate only trapped Nabu with the help of everyone else:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/P00005n.jpg.html

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/Hawkman%202002-2006%20025-011.jpg.html

Unless you're talking about this time... where Lyta effortlessly rips through the cage:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/P00009.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/P00010.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/P00011.jpg.html

Yes Hector was powerful, but he was able to be trapped by Nabu like what Spectre did (to some degree), and he had the benefit of mortal form Nabu to pull off feats against (like Spectre's previous wins against Nabu). Not saying Nabu is above Eternity, because let's get real, but mortal form Nabu is so far away from Eternity it's embarrassing. Pretty much all of his pathetic showings are from that form.

Nabu didn't get in fight with Spectre in mortal form though.

Spectre destroyed an entire universe when he killed Nabu.

http://imgur.com/h2VKhOl

That's just an enormous feat for both Nabu and Spectre.

Well, Nabu has absolutely no feats approaching Eternity level. If we base this off hype, then we know for a fact Nabu is lying about being the most powerful Lord considering his mortal form got one shotted by Mordru (albeit cheapshot), and his ghostly form got beat by Mordru... who was weakened at the time. So, if we have Nabu lying on one aspect, why would we assume he's more powerful than Kismet too, and why would we assume he's more powerful than Eternity because Eternity once kissed Kismet in a comic not useable on the forum?

Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a guy who tried to say Spectre can make God afraid via statement is using a statement and severe logic jumps to try and put Nabu above universal.

But somehow their feats don't count.

What did he do? Well he said some words once!

Anyway, Mordru vs Nabu:

Before it needs to be said though, this Mordru was weakened.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/page0012.jpg.html

While that Nabu later went on to fight Spectre shortly after, so... [/B]

And got killed. This happened just after that.

http://imgur.com/qkEYL7h

Spectre vs Thunderbolt.

Shitty average.

Spectre>Thunderbolt>Nabu>Mordru>Weakened Nabu>Kismet>Krona>Galactus.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
There you go trying to handwave things away without actually understanding what you're talking about again. I'm not saying Dr Fate is some sort of low feat here, I'm saying Spectre outright says he is more powerful here. I mean, for Satan's sake, did you even read what I was replying to here:

I mean, did you even read the full part that you forcefully separated?

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why times 6.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
No I didn't you absolute moron.

Now, however, [b]in Final Crisis the ALE was only ever said to effect 3 billions people:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/FC5p31.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/FC5p32-33.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/fc6-16.jpg

Which actually supports Spectre freeing those who were caught by ALE unaware. Good job defeating your own argument.

The only thing they planned to use beyond global in that series was to try and spread the ALE through the Central Power Battery, which would have only broadcast it universally. Spectre was only ever shown to be laying on the ground in that series and nothing he did was shown to have any effect in the main series. The only thing we can assume he did was infect those 3 billion people altogether to finish off the New God's plans when they themselves enslaved a lot.

And cracked the space time open for the entire multiverse to fall through the black hole.

When Darkseid himself says there's only 3 billion people enslaved, then you can be damned sure that's not a good look for Spectre.

😂

Not only that, but your logic works like this:
Spectre remade the multiverse to be bad while it was drifting into the multiversal black hole. Then Spectre completely remade the multiverse again. Then the multiverse sometime later got almost destroyed by the black hole. Then the Miracle Machine came around and remade the multiverse again.

Then Spectre got effortlessly beaten by someone weaker than the GL Corps...

How ****ing redundant and not based on anything. You'd think if Spectre had that sort of power in that series, that he wouldn't have kept the immediate danger around. That he might have gotten rid of the giant black hole. And you'd think Spectre remaking the multiverse in a series where that'd kind of be important would have you know... been said? Flatly said?

Like "Remake creation".

"Creation" is not a blanket statement for "All creation". The fact that they'd even need to add the "All" in there in the first place shows they are different. Just because you can destroy creation in place of say a hammer, that doesn't mean you're destroying "all" creation. This is grade 1 stuff.

A lot of things were called creation in that series. Cain, Radiant, the Spear iirc. Considering none of them were remade in the process, it kind of throws a wrench in the whole idea that "all creation" was effected.

You're using a passing remark to try and pass it off as applicable to the feat when "all creation" was used in the remark, and they expanded on "creation" as a "world" immediately after. He had to tell Spectre what to effect considering "creation" isn't very telling of what to do. Creation isn't interchangeable with everything, even more so when you don't actually have any evidence of it doing anything at that level.

You don't agree with it? I don't give a shit.

But THOTU is entirely relevant for a couple of reasons. For one, Thanos was aware of other realms:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-03.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-04.jpg.html

For another he went beyond that realm and absorbed "all"
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/10_Untitled10.jpg.html

Which means THOTU has a hell of a lot more basis for destroying the multiverse than Spectre does. For one Thanos was actually shown to be affecting things beyond a universe, unlike Spectre being shown to only be spreading the ALE. For another he actually has applications of "ALL" to his actual feat unlike a passing remark completely after the feat. We have information of more universes existing in both, yet you flip your shit everytime Mr Master says it, and here you are desperately defending Spectre with less proof... and by less, I mean absolutely nothing.

"But universe!"

Yeah, no shit, I'm not saying it's more. But when "World" is the only scope word used for Spectre, then you have a lot less basis than HOTU. World was repeatedly thrown around for Spectre's feat. Pictures were used to show a world. No statements were applied to Spectre to indicate a multiverse. Nothing.

Your hypocrisy for The End while using so much less for Spectre is something to behold though. Look at you pretending the two aren't similar (although HOTU actually accomplished something impressive).

Not interested again.

The rest is just a bunch of handwaving and butthurt. Not to mention I answered everything there.

Though it's funny you mention "Heaven" being part of creation considering it should go without saying that Spectre can't recreate Heaven. It's funny you use this, and then ignore me posting scans where it calls Radiant/Cain "creation" where he blatantly didn't recreate them.

The facts are that creation doesn't mean "all creation". We saw how it was used. We saw Cain expand on what creation meant there when he said Earth. We saw him later say after Spectre supposedly remade creation that it was still a world. We saw other people say world afterwards. We saw no proof that it was a multiverse when the feat happened. We saw no proof that was even solar system. Everything talked about in the feat indicated it was global. From the words, to the pictures, to Final Crisis, to the humans, to everything.

Still laughing at the logic.

What facts do you have? That "All creation" was said about the multiverse later? What the **** kind of reaching is this shit?

Even Cain was called creation there... does that mean he's all creation going by Abby logic? Because Cain being called creation means about as much as the world being called creation. Creation is many things, and like it or not, but the world is God's creation. But that doesn't mean that calling the world "creation" involves every other aspect. That's the whole reason for the "all" afterall. That's the whole reason for words like multiverse and world existing.

If it was a multiverse, then you'd think somewhere along the lines it would have actually been stated. That's not exactly a small thing to just happen in a series involving the imminent death of the multiverse. 😂

The fact that this is even an issue and all you have is vague remarks later not even applied to anything should tell you this is at the very least questionable. And this is all assuming to your benefit that he even remade the world as opposed to spread it. [/B]

Still don't get the comic? Funny as hell.

Now comes the actual funny part.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
That's not even close to what I said, learn how to read. Everything you said is just a vile manipulation of words even when the person explains themselves in detail enough that there should be no misunderstanding to what was said. Again, this works better on comics than people, even though you're not fooling anyone with either.

"Vile manipulation of words".

😂

I realize God created everything. No where in my post did I deny that. But God simply creating everything doesn't mean "creation" is a blanket statement to mean all creation. Especially when we were given details as to what part of creation Cain had in mind at the time. It's not even funny how sad this is.

Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why times 8.

Here comes the funniest part. Listen closely kids, this is why never trust bran.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.

Sure, sure.

That doesn't make any sense at all. Especially when the Galactus defeat was such an important part of every story that lead into Lady Sphinx.

Here's from the same arc Man Sphinx says lady Sphinx recreated all reality, where he admits Galactus is more powerful than him:

lol at the different writer excuse meaning Sphinx with a powerup is less powerful though. FF4 Sphinx showed nothing below what he showed in NW at all. What a reach with that one. Hell, one of your biggest points in this new series is connecting Nabu to Kismet to Eternity, and then you try and peddle this shit. 😂

My point with that is that Sphinx was a pretty established universe creator, which flowed into the next part. Just because you think separating points means they are disconnected, that doesn't mean that's the actual case. I was merely adding that she was able to recreate universes, and then added that into the statement of "all reality" to make it carry a little more weight. Unlike what you're doing with Spectre and the Revelations arc.

However lol at Spectre being that far above Parallax. Everytime they've faced off Spectre has come out on the short end of the stick. If you're using that scan to take that absolutely literally, it's a bold faced lie. Though that's not saying he can't warp universes because that's pretty common in comics, but you trying to say he's that above Parallax based on that scan is taking it way too far.

Except Lady Sphinx changed reality. 😬

And she forcibly changed every hero there as well. She remade Thor into somehow an Egyptian thunder god for instance.

Just like Spectre was only said to be a planet. 🙂

But I'm not saying it's transferable to Galactus. I'm saying it's relevant because Lady Sphinx was said to do what you're pretending Spectre did and Galactus still won. IE, your pretend feat wasn't enough in that statement of what Sphinx's feat was:

So think about things probably abby.

The rest is random shit.

But anyway, that will be all from me. All this was was a lot of handwaving and twisting from you. I don't even think you made one mildly decent point this whole time, which is disheartening to say the least. Just all around terrible arguments, and the color is the only reason I continued this because of how boring your shit is. I forgot how big of a brick wall you could be though. It's pretty sad when the only thing I can do to entertain myself enough to comment is to go through all the colors on KMC.

I'm most curious about a little down the line when you slowly start sifting everything you claimed out of your opinion. Like you did when you claimed Superman can supply 1/4 of the Big Bang.

Have fun with the last word though, which shouldn't be too hard with all the single sentences handwaving things away. 🙂

In any case, I predict your response won't even be worth reading... especially considering everything prior. 😂
Which is probably for the best considering your post wasn't worth reading either, but I only responded because I read it. Curse my ego and such and such.

Spectre loses at the Celestials.
Enjoy the rest of the thread everyone.

You just lie.

Sad really.

😂

^^Irony.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
So you may ask yourself a question... did Bran write this argument up in 20 minutes?

No. I wrote it all up before this post:

And everything I said in there was correct, though I withheld information of actually being done. What I was trying to do was get these queers to bump the thread to the next page so I could Galan this argument to the top of the page. But that was only because I didn't want the activities post to be wasted, since the argument is pointless. Everyone knows Abhi's wrong all the time. It's not about getting the last word. In fact I had to start putting K's in it halfway through because his posts are so worthless to reply to. The K idea came along when I thought up the activities, so that made finishing the posts easy as shit.

Basically I finished the argument and then had to go back and start adding in messages, which is why there's so many pms here. Revision. That's why I posted that, because I knew the argument was already done, but I had to finish the messages. It was a little tricky trying to find out what jumps out and what doesn't but when I looked at it, it seemed to give hints so yeah.

The good thing about this is the activities post is most of the reason I thought up summarizing stories because of how fun it was to think up ways to answer. You'll notice in the timeframe between the posts to my World War Hulk story.

Anyway, proof I was done at that time.

So when it wasn't bumped I was kind of sad. Not because of the argument because again Abhi is worthless (and I haven't even read the argument since then, I just know abhi was wrong when I wrote it), but because I felt the activities post was one of the best posts I've ever done on this forum. So I just quietly waited for abhi to bring it up one day like he did because I know he's an egotistical prick. And then I Galan'd to the next page to get abhi to ego post a little. Which I supposed I could have done in the first place but Abhi wouldn't answer me the first time. Plus letting Abhi think he just completely shut me up is alright too.

And bingo bango bongo. Though I was quite sure I would have to have it rot in my pms, but it worked out for the best. Thanks to Abhi's immense ego people hopefully try out their hands at my crafty messages.

It's a good thing I sent that answer key to myself though, because I'm not sure I would try it. 😂

In any case, I don't want to top this so much later. But I will continue the debate if Abhi really wants to lash out again like a petulant child.