Originally posted by ares834
Sith win rather easily.The B-team members are completely outclassed here. They will provide almost no support for Yoda against Sidious and they can't take Dooku.
You think Dooku can defeat 3 esteemed swordsmen at once? I dunno that's a tall order. Agen and Kit alone could give him a good fight imo.
Originally posted by ares834
I have no doubt he could do so. We've already seen him take out Kenobi while simultaneously dueling Anakin. And Kenobi is well above anyone on the B-team.Heck, just look at their duel on Oba Diah. Kenobi is totally outclassed and is honestly more of a liability than an asset.
I mean handicapped Dooku didn't fare that well against two nightsisters and 1 saber Ventress. Agen, Kit, and Tiin are far, far above that team, and I doubt they'd get lol stomped by lightning like the team was.
Originally posted by ares834
It was a huge handicap and they caught Dooku off guard. Yet he still managed to rather easily defeat them when he quit messing around.
Don't forget the nightsisters were at a handicap too with lightsabers not being their weapons of choice and with Ventress not in her preferred form or with even one of her preferred weapons. + Dooku hardly did it easily, he was disarmed and on the floor.
Not saying Dooku's handicap wasn't much greater, but Fisto, Agen, and Tiin will be far more of a challenge in pure sabers and the force.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
1. Yoda pretty easily intercepts him when he tries to escape on Coruscant.
2. Yoda seemed to be dominating their duel in the Senate.
3. Yoda dodged several of those Senate pods being tossed at him at once, where as Sidious struggled to dodge one (albeit that pod was moving slightly faster than the others).
4. Yoda being able to dodge 3 celebrated swordsmen including Legends!Depa without so much as moving a meter, whilst unarmed is more impressive to me than simply killing an inferior team.
1. Wasn't yoda already close to the door and palaptine had to leap from all the way over across the room?
2. I do t think so no one could gain the advantage until palaptine started throwing senate pods. Also this duel doesn't prove who the greater duelist is as the battle didn't have a real winner and palaptine was at a disadvantage because of the location.
3. He didn't struggle he was being to arrogant. He had time but he was laughing.
4. All of that matters not when he couldn't defeat palaptine when it came down to it and he had the advantage.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
You think Dooku can defeat 3 esteemed swordsmen at once? I dunno that's a tall order. Agen and Kit alone could give him a good fight imo.
Fisto was defeated by ventress someone we know dooku can easily dispatch. So agen and fisto being to much is so untrue. He actually might be able to take on all three at once and when while Sidious fights yoda.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Don't forget the nightsisters were at a handicap too with lightsabers not being their weapons of choice and with Ventress not in her preferred form or with even one of her preferred weapons. + Dooku hardly did it easily, he was disarmed and on the floor.Not saying Dooku's handicap wasn't much greater, but Fisto, Agen, and Tiin will be far more of a challenge in pure sabers and the force.
That didn't seem a handicap when they were fighting. Ventress can fight with one blade of she has to as seen by that duel. Didn't you notice that was actually his plan to get pushed back. When he did that he made himself look weak and then threw them out smiling. Then the night sister said he is stronger than I imagined.
Dooku can take out each one easily by themselves. Add them together he will have to amp up his power but he could still defeat them.
The real problem with Yoda trying to intercept Sidious is...Yoda is still small. And while judge him by his size you should not, it does make it harder for him to save the B Team, who are all taller then he is and present a much bigger target.
This is particularly the case if Sidious has 2 sabers, which he well might. Yoda can save himself, but even he can't be in two places at once.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
The real problem with Yoda trying to intercept Sidious is...Yoda is still small. And while judge him by his size you should not, it does make it harder for him to save the B Team, who are all taller then he is and present a much bigger target.This is particularly the case if Sidious has 2 sabers, which he well might. Yoda can save himself, but even he can't be in two places at once.
Sidious seems to prefer single bladed combat. He had 2 sabers but elected to use one in the Senate office. A lot to respond to, I'll probably do that after GoTs tonight.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Sidious seems to prefer single bladed combat. He had 2 sabers but elected to use one in the Senate office. A lot to respond to, I'll probably do that after GoTs tonight.
He uses amount of sabers depending on his situation and opponents. For instance he knew about Darth maul and how powerful he was and possibly knew he had some type of assistance so he brought a second saber just in case. He only fought yoda so he only used one saber. He fought four Jedi yes. He most likely knew he would be greater than all of them and be able to match windu so he only needed one saber.
This is just my speculation and theory however.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That didn't seem a handicap when they were fighting. Ventress can fight with one blade of she has to as seen by that duel. Didn't you notice that was actually his plan to get pushed back. When he did that he made himself look weak and then threw them out smiling. Then the night sister said he is stronger than I imagined.Dooku can take out each one easily by themselves. Add them together he will have to amp up his power but he could still defeat them.
Of course Ventress can fight with one blade, just as the nightsisters can fight with lightsabers that doesn't mean that's a peak performance. And as you could see with her fight with Savage having one saber is a disadvantage to her. And lol no they legitimately disarmed Dooku. Sure he pulled a Sidious at the end pretending to be weak, but that doesn't change the fact that he was reduced to using those methods.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Fisto was defeated by ventress someone we know dooku can easily dispatch. So agen and fisto being to much is so untrue. He actually might be able to take on all three at once and when while Sidious fights yoda.
And yet Dooku was hard pressed to defeat her when you threw Savage into the mix. I doubt he'll be able to easily dismiss one of the Masters on neutral ground, especially when you consider that they all likely know how to deflect Sith lightning.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Of course Ventress can fight with one blade, just as the nightsisters can fight with lightsabers that doesn't mean that's a peak performance. And as you could see with her fight with Savage having one saber is a disadvantage to her. And lol no they legitimately disarmed Dooku. Sure he pulled a Sidious at the end pretending to be weak, but that doesn't change the fact that he was reduced to using those methods.And yet Dooku was hard pressed to defeat her when you threw Savage into the mix. I doubt he'll be able to easily dismiss one of the Masters on neutral ground, especially when you consider that they all likely know how to deflect Sith lightning.
She still isn't incapable of fighting one handed and in thief duel she seemed to be fairing well without a second blade however I see what your saying. Matter of opinion because he charged at ventress knowing that he was at a disadvantage and she disarmed him due to her force abilities, if I remember corectly, and also he knew he was at a disadvantage that why I believe he let them force push, because after that when pushed he put his head down and shocked them he started smiling, that's why I believe he faked weakness. However it's speculation. You make it sound like he doesn't use his force abilities as last resorts for anything or just to use them. He defeated ventress with his force powers yet he was clearly her superior when she had tow blades.
When the two fought each other with savage in or out of the picture she was clearly knocked around by dooku. I don't know what your trying to prove in this paragraph. He clearly outclassed her and he can definitely handle at least two by himself while Sidiosu kills the last and fights with yoda.
Originally posted by ares834
Sith win rather easily.The B-team members are completely outclassed here. They will provide almost no support for Yoda against Sidious and they can't take Dooku.
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Originally posted by Lord Stark
Sidious seems to prefer single bladed combat.
Nah, According to the Official site he's primarily a dual wielder:
http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/clone-wars/the-lawless-trivia-gallery
Slide 3 of 10:
"That Darth Sidious fights with two lightsabers is evident in Episode III -- he has two lightsabers in Revenge of the Sith, though he never has an opportunity to wield them simultaneously since he loses one in his fight with Mace Windu before dueling Yoda."
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
She still isn't incapable of fighting one handed and in thief duel she seemed to be fairing well without a second blade however I see what your saying. Matter of opinion because he charged at ventress knowing that he was at a disadvantage and she disarmed him due to her force abilities, if I remember corectly, and also he knew he was at a disadvantage that why I believe he let them force push, because after that when pushed he put his head down and shocked them he started smiling, that's why I believe he faked weakness. However it's speculation. You make it sound like he doesn't use his force abilities as last resorts for anything or just to use them. He defeated ventress with his force powers yet he was clearly her superior when she had tow blades.
I agree that Dooku is far far far superior to Ventress. I just don't know if he could take on 3 of her.
When the two fought each other with savage in or out of the picture she was clearly knocked around by dooku. I don't know what your trying to prove in this paragraph. He clearly outclassed her and he can definitely handle at least two by himself while Sidiosu kills the last and fights with yoda.
Even with Savage in and out of the picture Dooku was having a bit of a hard time fighting the two of them. If Savage was able to deflect lightning, Dooku'd be in trouble. But Yoda alone knows he can hold off, or even defeat Sidious on neutral ground. He doesn't need backup.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ ThisNah, According to the Official site he's primarily a dual wielder:
http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/clone-wars/the-lawless-trivia-gallery
Slide 3 of 10:
"That Darth Sidious fights with two lightsabers is evident in Episode III -- he has two lightsabers in Revenge of the Sith, though he never has an opportunity to wield them simultaneously since he loses one in his fight with Mace Windu before dueling Yoda."
Which still makes no sense, especially considering in Legends he's always seen with one even after ROTS and he had time to construct new ones. Why would he not use both sabers against 4 combatants? Although that does spark the question if Jar'Kai Sidious would not have been disarmed against Windu and Yoda.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I agree that Dooku is far far far superior to Ventress. I just don't know if he could take on 3 of her.Even with Savage in and out of the picture Dooku was having a bit of a hard time fighting the two of them. If Savage was able to deflect lightning, Dooku'd be in trouble. But Yoda alone knows he can hold off, or even defeat Sidious on neutral ground. He doesn't need backup.
Which still makes no sense, especially considering in Legends he's always seen with one even after ROTS and he had time to construct new ones. Why would he not use both sabers against 4 combatants? Although that does spark the question if Jar'Kai Sidious would not have been disarmed against Windu and Yoda.
Ok now I understand what you saying. You believe that vs trees is equal to the other three. I know she is grey are than fisto in terms of lightsaber combat but I'm not sure about Tinn and kolar.
He was evading savage and wrecking ventress. As seen how he casually kicked her aside and replied her with ease and then shocked him with lighting and even when he didn't have a lightsber she still couldn't defeat him not even close. On neutral ground it's hard to tell because the senate room was against Sidious for the lightsaber duel as his movement were hampered so with that it will be difficult and I'm not opposed to anyone saying Sidious is a better duelist as they are so close and the circumstances of that battle influenced it.
Probably because he knew he could take on the other three but need to leave windu alive for his plan to convert anakin. This is sorta where your view of did he let windu win come into play. Because against savage and maul he used two vs two opponents, the. When maul pulled out a second blade he used to was well. When he fought yoda both times it wa sone saber vs one saber. So I'm not sure just my theory.
Originally posted by Lord StarkWhich still makes no sense, especially considering in Legends he's always seen with one even after ROTS and he had time to construct new ones.
Well it's the official site, so it will be referring to canon only, not Legends.
Also not sure how much he bothered with Lightsaber training after ROTS.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Why would he not use both sabers against 4 combatants?
No idea. But the official site seems to make out he would have used both against Yoda if he could have.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Although that does spark the question if Jar'Kai Sidious would not have been disarmed against Windu and Yoda.
Yes it does. Because if that's his main form then he would have been as disadvantaged against those 2 as say Ventress was against Opress.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
You think Dooku can defeat 3 esteemed swordsmen at once? I dunno that's a tall order. Agen and Kit alone could give him a good fight imo.
Kit would be easily demolished here. I hate to use ABC logic but I think it works here.
Dooku>Ventress>Fisto. So fisto couldn't do anything. Add the other two in the mix I have no problem believing that dooku could take them out as feat wise he definitely has the advantage kolar is hardly featured and tinn is shown as more of a pilot in the animated series, and in the movies he is struck down in seconds, so not a good record.