Originally posted by juggerman
People stood against him long before Harry was born. The reason they briefly gave up was because Harry was believed to be the key to winning. Without him I'm sure they figured it was pointless until Longbottom started up
Originally posted by juggermanYou said until Neville started up. False. It was after Harry popped up. You aren't even sure of what you say for crying out loud.
That's basically what I saidPeople did dare to oppose him. Hence the original Order of the Pheonix that Harry's parents were apart of
I never said they didn't. Weren't there members of the order at the school ? Why didn't they speak up before Neville ? 🙂
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2You acted like Voldemort should try assault every wizard like some idiotic kid. He Ko'd Neville and went after Harry. She didn't protect the other children. Cowardice. She has tears in her eyes and didn't say shit to the dark lord. Of course she stood up to Snape. He isn't Voldemort, boy.
Key word acted. Neville just ran up there blatantly and didn't put up a sheild so knocking him out isn't that impressive.Mcgonagll challenged snape. The headmaster and don't give the crap that she had the backing of many other order members she didn't sep up when they showed up, she stepped up when Harry was threatened. So she has bravery. Also I'm not sure how this works but offscreen she approached voldemort before she had the aid of the other two and fought him by herself for a while before the other two came along if I'm not mistaken. That isn't cowardice that's bravery. Also she couldn't do anything, and was shocked by the death of Harry they all were even the kids except Neville. Is what your trying to say is Neville is the only brave person.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Molly easily killed Bellatrix. Voldemort's great duel makes the others look pedestrian by comparison. Facts. 😂
Haah. The evidence up you had was 1) someone's opinion who has no bearing on the movies 2 your own interpretation of the films 3) your own opinion with 1 being referenced from the books.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You said until Neville started up. False. It was after Harry popped up. You aren't even sure of what you say for crying out loud.I never said they didn't. Weren't there members of the order at the school ? Why didn't they speak up before Neville ? 🙂 You acted like Voldemort should try assault every wizard like some idiotic kid. He Ko'd Neville and went after Harry. She didn't protect the other children. Cowardice. She has tears in her eyes and didn't say shit to the dark lord. Of course she stood up to Snape. He isn't Voldemort, boy.
Neville spouted his words before Harry started. Re watch the movie I just watched the scene and when Neville started talking Harry was still faking. Learn your Harry Potter. When Harry popped up everyone was already moving from when Neville pulled out the sword.
If I recall king
See was there for the first part of the battle, and then reinforcement arrived later on. Well he is psychopathic maniac who killed a whole bunch of goblins in the middle of a goblin run bank with other dark wizards. And this proves what. Neville didn't have a shield up and his main target was Harry. How did she not protect them. Does Piertotum Locomoter sound familiar, or fighting in the battle of hogwarts, or fighting snape, or all the other things she has done. Mcgonagall is many things but a coward is not one of them. She was stunned by Harry's death as was everyone else. Staying silent in that particular instance was the smart thing. So you would have spoke out with voldmeort and more importantly half a hundred or even more at least death eaters backing him up when all you have are children who aren't nearly as experienced and not enough teachers to go around or order members. She was stunned by the death of someone she cared about. The only reason voldmeort can't feel that is because he can't love. Oh well, JK Rowling herself and Boone wright and many other fans mark that s a brave act on her part. Also he is the headmaster, you don't just attack the headmaster by yourself out of nothing, and then he has the backing of two other death eaters.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Molly easily killed Bellatrix. Voldemort's great duel makes the others look pedestrian by comparison. Facts. 😂
Easily? What movie did you watch. Not fact your interpretation again. None of this is fact just your opinion. Do you know the difference between fact and opinion. Unless it can be proven its not fact, and your notions can't be proved because there are plenty who would say the duel between snape and mcgonagall was better or the battle of department of mysteries was better. It's a matter of opinion.
Molly defeating her, you ignore the FACT that bellatrix underestimated Molly and also had her on the run when she went on the offensive even having her retreat after Molly shot one spell Molly retreated and was terrified. Bellatrix is better than her fact,and Molly is not on or above her level.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2So you believe blocking some fire is as good as Voldemort/Dumbledore's duel. You can't be taken seriously.
Easily? What movie did you watch. Not fact your interpretation again. None of this is fact just your opinion. Do you know the difference between fact and opinion. Unless it can be proven its not fact, and your notions can't be proved because there are plenty who would say the duel between snape and mcgonagall was better or the battle of department of mysteries was better. It's a matter of opinion.Molly defeating her, you ignore the FACT that bellatrix underestimated Molly and also had her on the run when she went on the offensive even having her retreat after Molly shot one spell Molly retreated and was terrified. Bellatrix is better than her fact,and Molly is not on or above her level.
Voldemort is the greatest wizard.
You speculated. Molly won. Undeniable. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you believe blocking some fire is as good as Voldemort/Dumbledore's duel. You can't be taken seriously.Voldemort is the greatest wizard.
You speculated. Molly won. Undeniable. 🙂
I'm not saying I do. I like that duel and what it represents, but I don't believe it personally I'm just telling you that there are others who would say that the battles Voldmelrt has been in, others would disagree. Fact
Dumbledore is the greatest. Voldmelrt is 2nd
I'm not speculating, you are just an idiot. She did win, but only because bellatrix was overcomfident and didn't take the duel seriously. Also do you need to rewtach the battle. Because everything I said about is 100% true and can be proven. If you watch Bellatrix shot a spell at Ginny Correct? Then Molly says "not my daughter you *****" correct. Bellatrix laughs and then Molly shoots a spell. Bellatrix blocks it and then has a ( what do you think you are doing ). Molly then retreats correct. Molly then goes on the defensive and then is quickly overwhelmed about to fall out and die if Bellatrix would have continued correct. Molly then presses her on offensive at a laughing Bellatrix who is overconfidemt and doesn't take Molly seriously correct. All of this is fact whether you like it or not. Molly is below Bellatrix.
Originally posted by Surtur
What specifically impressive feats does Minerva have besides dueling Voldemort with the assistance of two other people? I know she is an animagus. I know she turned Draco back into human form when he was turned into a ferret.
Dueling snape, surviving the battle of hogwarts, being deputy headmistress, being compared to people like snape, being a powerful duelist, turning a bird into a water goblet, enchanting an entire chessboard, Piertotum Locomoter, defeating amycus Carrow, help putting up the hogwarts shield, putting up all of the torches in the great hall after her duel with snape.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Dueling snape, surviving the battle of hogwarts, being deputy headmistress, being compared to people like snape, being a powerful duelist.
Lots of people survived the battle, even teenagers. Being headmistress isn't a feat. Being compared to Snape is no feat. You say she is a powerful duelist, what makes you say this besides the fight against Voldemort?
Originally posted by Surtur
Lots of people survived the battle, even teenagers. Being headmistress isn't a feat. Being compared to Snape is no feat. You say she is a powerful duelist, what makes you say this besides the fight against Voldemort?
I know that impressive because afterward Kingsley the new minister said anyone who survives the battle of hogwarts is able to become an auror, however this was also due to the lack of auroras since a lot of them died during voldemort takeover of the ministry and the battle of hogwarts, but surviving the battle means you know some spells and can hold your own agaisn't wizards and also have some durability and endurance. Also did you see my edit post. How is being compared to snape not a feat. Yes I understand the circumstance of the fight but it's still a feat. Fighting voldmeort is a feat by itself worth reconigtion, however surviving the battle means she fought other death eaters, one being amycus Carrow who she defeated before the battle started. Also she has plenty of transfiguration abilities.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2The duel with Voldemort/Dumbledore was obviously greater. People can say the sky is blue but that doesn't make them right.
I'm not saying I do. I like that duel and what it represents, but I don't believe it personally I'm just telling you that there are others who would say that the battles Voldmelrt has been in, others would disagree. FactDumbledore is the greatest. Voldmelrt is 2nd
I'm not speculating, you are just an idiot. She did win, but only because bellatrix was overcomfident and didn't take the duel seriously. Also do you need to rewtach the battle. Because everything I said about is 100% true and can be proven. If you watch Bellatrix shot a spell at Ginny Correct? Then Molly says "not my daughter you *****" correct. Bellatrix laughs and then Molly shoots a spell. Bellatrix blocks it and then has a ( what do you think you are doing ). Molly then retreats correct. Molly then goes on the defensive and then is quickly overwhelmed about to fall out and die if Bellatrix would have continued correct. Molly then presses her on offensive at a laughing Bellatrix who is overconfidemt and doesn't take Molly seriously correct. All of this is fact whether you like it or not. Molly is below Bellatrix.
False. You're a fanboy.
Your thoughts on why she won is speculation. What is a fact is she won. 🙂
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I know that impressive because afterward Kingsley the new minister said anyone who survives the battle of hogwarts is able to become an auror, however this was also due to the lack of auroras since a lot of them died during voldemort takeover of the ministry and the battle of hogwarts, but surviving the battle means you know some spells and can hold your own agaisn't wizards and also have some durability and endurance. Also did you see my edit post. How is being compared to snape not a feat. Yes I understand the circumstance of the fight but it's still a feat. Fighting voldmeort is a feat by itself worth reconigtion, however surviving the battle means she fought other death eaters, one being amycus Carrow who she defeated before the battle started. Also she has plenty of transfiguration abilities.
Being compared to Snape isn't a feat. You ask how? Because that is a statement being made. A feat is something a person does, not something a person says.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The duel with Voldemort/Dumbledore was obviously greater. People can say the sky is blue but that doesn't make them right.False. You're a fanboy.
Your thoughts on why she won is speculation. What is a fact is she won. 🙂
That's compleley. Your taking a realistic feature that can be proven and taking a fictional battle that some believe is not the best. You can't deny that other would believe that other duels in the franchise are better. It doesn't make them stupid or absent minded it just means they have different criteria and different likes than you.
So everything in that paragraph was false. Now I know not to take you seriously. Rewtach the battle. How am I a fanboy I don't even like Bellatrix or Molly. How is it specualtion when it's proven. So if we fight and I let you win, does that mean you are stronger?
Originally posted by Surtur
Being compared to Snape isn't a feat. You ask how? Because that is a statement being made. A feat is something a person does, not something a person says.
She fought him to at stalemate and drove him out. So yes it's a worthy feat because it basically say you are on his level and we already know even without that duel that mcgonagll is on snapes level if not slightly above, I personally think due to her experience being greater she would have the edge but it is close.
This is a friendly fact. I heard from another fan (not at all saying it's true but I heard from another fan that they read somewhere that Rowling says Mcgonagall is the better of the two. I agree but due to more experience. The two are very close IMO.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2The point of their duel was to make it greater. People are wrong if they think Snape blocking flames and flying away is better but they are wrong.
That's compleley. Your taking a realistic feature that can be proven and taking a fictional battle that some believe is not the best. You can't deny that other would believe that other duels in the franchise are better. It doesn't make them stupid or absent minded it just means they have different criteria and different likes than you.So everything in that paragraph was false. Now I know not to take you seriously. Rewtach the battle. How am I a fanboy I don't even like Bellatrix or Molly. How is it specualtion when it's proven. So if we fight and I let you win, does that mean you are stronger?
Your interpretation isn't a fact. Molly winning is.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
She fought him to at stalemate and drove him out. So yes it's a worthy feat because it basically say you are on his level and we already know even without that duel that mcgonagll is on snapes level if not slightly above, I personally think due to her experience being greater she would have the edge but it is close.This is a friendly fact. I heard from another fan (not at all saying it's true but I heard from another fan that they read somewhere that Rowling says Mcgonagall is the better of the two. I agree but due to more experience. The two are very close IMO.
Okay but then the statement isn't the feat, her stalemating him is the feat. Statements mean nothing unless backed up by feats(which in this case it was). I had forgotten she stalemated him, I thought he just ran off right away.