Originally posted by carver9Using Maestro "in general" would be no different than just using Superman in general. Might as well apply pre Flashpoint's feats to post Crisis and vica versa Pizza piea.
In my post to you, I was using Maestro in general. I agree with you about current Hulk and Maestro but they seem tied together but I don't have definite proof. My argument (that was towards your post) is that Merged Hulk has fts of overpowering Herald level characters with ease.I don't think Superman was dropped in his fight against Prime. Damaged, sure, ineffective, no.
And the feat you used was Merged Hulk at the pinnacle of his rage. Sure it's within Merged Hulk's abilities but that doesn't mean it was his operating range at the time when he fought Maestro.
He got his hand blown through and disappeared for a long period of time when he was only fighting Prime. When he came back he was a mess. The implication was pretty clear. This wasn't a case where it was a large battlefield and the focus was shifted to the battle as a whole as opposed to a single duel. This was Superman vs Prime and Superman got the shaft.
So the options there are:
Superman got knocked out
Superman ran and hid after getting batted away
Superman just got bfr'ed because he's slow as shit
Maybe he just sat there going "Mah hand mah hand!", but more than likely...
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Using Maestro "in general" would be no different than just using Superman in general. Might as well apply pre Flashpoint's feats to post Crisis and vica versa Pizza piea.And the feat you used was Merged Hulk at the pinnacle of his rage. Sure it's within Merged Hulk's abilities but that doesn't mean it was his operating range at the time when he fought Maestro.
He got his hand blown through and disappeared for a long period of time when he was only fighting Prime. When he came back he was a mess. The implication was pretty clear. This wasn't a case where it was a large battlefield and the focus was shifted to the battle as a whole as opposed to a single duel. This was Superman vs Prime and Superman got the shaft.
So the options there are:
Superman got knocked out
Superman ran and hid after getting batted away
Superman just got bfr'ed because he's slow as shitMaybe he just sat there going "Mah hand mah hand!", but more than likely...
Wait a minute; correct me if I'm wrong but Merged Hulk strength doesn't grow when he's angry. He's already at his max iirc. I could be wrong though but the angrier Merge got didn't result in him becoming more powerful.
When we see Superman again 'after' his fight against Prime he shows back up with a team bigger than what we can count. He couldn't have been sleep. Doesn't add up (think you see where this is leading). Moral is, there's no proof Superman was koed. If anything on panel goes against it (the team man, the team).
Originally posted by carver9Well, let's go to my handy dandy notebook then instead of my phone.
Wait a minute; correct me if I'm wrong but Merged Hulk strength doesn't grow when he's angry. He's already at his max iirc. I could be wrong though but the angrier Merge got didn't result in him becoming more powerful.When we see Superman again 'after' his fight against Prime he shows back up with a team bigger than what we can count. He couldn't have been sleep. Doesn't add up (think you see where this is leading). Moral is, there's no proof Superman was koed. If anything on panel goes against it (the team man, the team).
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Powers/ProfessorHulkAmping01379.jpg
And that team was with Brainiac 5 at the time at iirc another dimension. Superman had no ability to "go get them" At best he called them in. At worst they showed up randomly.
Even if Superman wasn't KO'ed, he blatantly admitted he could not beat Prime alone, hence the team. And then he got blasted aside while Prime was taking on the Legion. And then after Prime beat up some Legion members he instantly smashed through barriers Persuader's axe and Validus were hitting to miniscule effect. So yeah... that's a good example.
Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute; correct me if I'm wrong but Merged Hulk strength doesn't grow when he's angry. He's already at his max iirc. I could be wrong though but the angrier Merge got didn't result in him becoming more powerful.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't get fisted by Bran. Bran is talking about a topic with me that I am highly familiar with. HIGHLY. I'm ready for him.
Originally posted by carver9
Want to correct something in my post. Merge Hulk was capable of amping...he states it here...http://www.codiekitty.com/File/Hulk/Ch1images/stronger1.jpg
He just can't amp like his other personas. There's a cap on how much he can amp due to his controlled side, Banner. He kind of hint at it here...
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well, let's go to my handy dandy notebook then instead of my phone.http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Powers/ProfessorHulkAmping01379.jpg
And that team was with Brainiac 5 at the time at iirc another dimension. Superman had no ability to "go get them" At best he called them in. At worst they showed up randomly.
Even if Superman wasn't KO'ed, he blatantly admitted he could not beat Prime alone, hence the team. And then he got blasted aside while Prime was taking on the Legion. And then after Prime beat up some Legion members he instantly smashed through barriers Persuader's axe and Validus were hitting to miniscule effect. So yeah... that's a good example.
Beat you to the punch. I had a feeling I was wrong about that...at one point he couldn't amp though but that was fixed some time after.
There's no proof he was koed though. None whatsoever. Every, and when I say every I mean every, top tier that has faced Prime...I'm talking about your bread and butter top tier, they are still standing. This goes from Superboy, to Martian Manhunter, all the way to Black Adam. He also had a long fight against Ion, someone that I think Maestro would crush (to each his own) and the only reason he gained am advantage was due to him hitting Ion inside of a led building.
Persuader ax is nice, still doesn't go against what I said. Never said Prime didn't fight teams, hell, Hulk has literally fought against every team in MU, that means nothing here. I'm discussing Prime showings against heavy weights and his track record isn't that great. Also, I think you forgot about the beginning of the fight with Superboy Prime and Superman... Superman had a clear advantage until his hand was burned through.
Originally posted by carver9You beat me to the punch, but you're still wrong, so...
Beat you to the punch. I had a feeling I was wrong about that...at one point he couldn't amp though but that was fixed some time after.There's no proof he was koed though. None whatsoever. Every, and when I say every I mean every, top tier that has faced Prime...I'm talking about your bread and butter top tier, they are still standing. This goes from Superboy, to Martian Manhunter, all the way to Black Adam. He also had a long fight against Ion, someone that I think Maestro would crush (to each his own) and the only reason he gained am advantage was due to him hitting Ion inside of a led building.
Persuader ax is nice, still doesn't go against what I said. Never said Prime didn't fight teams, hell, Hulk has literally fought against every team in MU, that means nothing here. I'm discussing Prime showings against heavy weights and his track record isn't that great. Also, I think you forgot about the beginning of the fight with Superboy Prime and Superman... Superman had a clear advantage until his hand was burned through.
Also as soon as I get off from having liqid shit I'll show you some feats.
And Superboy famously died... and lost before that. And MM got KO'd twice. Hell he burned Grundy to a skeleton, and beat up Hal and Guy as well as a whole bunch of GLs.
As well as Sodamy was specifically using the full Ion power as well as Daxamite in that fight. Then it was just the Ion power, an above Ring level amp.
The beginning of the fight had Prime ruin Superman until Superman rammed him out of the city and had him in a hold. Because you actually have to go an issue back to see the beginning of the fight... and according to your logic Superman was winning until he wasn't. So... comics in other words.
But yes, I don't have an actual page showing Superman is KO'ed. An implication, but not an actual page. However if you're now a fact only gentleman, I can show you the whole fight and we can judge it by who "won" ignoring a KO. I'm sure that will be whimsical.
So I'm going to wipe my ass here and I'll go back to my laptop.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You beat me to the punch, but you're still wrong, so...Also as soon as I get off from having liqid shit I'll show you some feats.
And Superboy famously died... and lost before that. And MM got KO'd twice. Hell he burned Grundy to a skeleton, and beat up Hal and Guy as well as a whole bunch of GLs.
As well as Sodamy was specifically using the full Ion power as well as Daxamite in that fight. Then it was just the Ion power, an above Ring level amp.The beginning of the fight had Prime ruin Superman until Superman rammed him out of the city and had him in a hold. Because you actually have to go an issue back to see the beginning of the fight... and according to your logic Superman was winning until he wasn't. So... comics in other words.
But yes, I don't have an actual page showing Superman is KO'ed. An implication, but not an actual page. However if you're now a fact only gentleman, I can show you the whole fight and we can judge it by who "won" ignoring a KO. I'm sure that will be whimsical.
So I'm going to wipe my ass here and I'll go back to my laptop.
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I said I was wrong and I/carver9 caught myself.
Superboy death leaned more on the suicide/sacrifice imo. It wasn't Prime power that killed him.
Grundy sucks. He did work Hal, broke his arm I might add but they were still up and running.
Sodom didn't know how to use said power either and he was shocked 'during the fight' at some of the things he was doing. He was not familiar at all with his power and he was still able to hold his own against Prime. Hell, before getting knocked into the led building, he had the advantage.
Superman having him in the hold was still part of the beginning of the fight. Let's not pretend they had a full comic of their combat. Superman had Prime in a hold he was unable to break.
Of course Prime won the fight. Lol...that's not what we are talking about here.
