Ziost Vitiate vs. the Daughter

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S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Considering this content was created prior to the new Canon that is technically not the case, in the contexts in which the statement was made, it applied to all EU material by merit of holding T-Canon status. The new canon rules are totally abstracted from the material itself, they are not relevant. I would apply the same logic to the statement made by Leland Chee as well.

This makes no sense.

Star Wars lore is split into two continuities: Legends and Canon. All observations shall revolve around this fact.

The Ones are the most powerful Force-users in Canon continuity. However, this matter becomes murkier in Legends continuity.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
On top of that the Father has said:

"My children and I can manipulate the Force like no other."

The Father having existing long before and during Vitiate's time and being very much in tune and attentive to the cosmic balance of the galaxy, and therefore presumably aware of any and all powerful beings who might effect it.

"The Force always strives for balance. The Emperor is an agent of darkness and destruction. It is inevitable that a champion of the light will one day rise to oppose him. I may be that champion."

Vitiate certainly fulfills that criteria.

And by your own actions you've admitted that its status as a claim in itself is not alone valid reason for dismissing it, and beyond that, we have no reason for believing the Father's claim false.


I disagree with the assumption that Father is all-knowing. How the hell he is supposed to be?

I acknowledge The Ones as immensely powerful Force-users. However, their on-screen demonstrations do not do justice to their hype.

Father could be manipulating Anakin Skywalker to take his place.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And just to reinforce the influence of the Ones on the Force as valid:
--Credit to ShootingNova's respect thread, I suggest you read.

Those are both from an objective sources. Vitiate's influence on the Force has never been stated to be as profound, because it is not.


Vitiate harmed the Force in different places (e.g. Nathema and Ziost) and is implied to have created imbalance and you are stating that his influence is not profound? 🙄

BioWare isn't concentrating on this matter, this doesn't means that Vitiate's actions are not causing great disturbance in the Force.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Finally all of the Ones possess the ability to shut off lightsabers. Vitiate, evidently, does not:

/debate


Did Vitiate try tutaminis? He didn't.

When The Ones tanked Lightsabers, they weren't performing other actions. They fully concentrated on tanking lightsabers.

Selenial I Choose Violence

Beni ****ing slaughterhousing LeGenD. Loving this thread.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Selenial
Beni ****ing slaughterhousing LeGenD. Loving this thread.

This debate have just begun.

We will see what The Ones are made of.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Power of The Son:

- Not too great. I am disappointed.

Selenial I Choose Violence

Why is that "not too great", he's throwing around two powerful Jedi without a thought. It would be bad if he failed to kill them while trying, but he wasn't trying to kill them.

You're literally like a child who follows the shiny lights of pretty force powers thinking extravagance means power.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Selenial
Why is that "not too great", he's throwing around two powerful Jedi without a thought. It would be bad if he failed to kill them while trying, but he wasn't trying to kill them.

You're literally like a child who follows the shiny lights of pretty force powers thinking extravagance means power.


Without a thought? You can't see the gesture? The Son performed that act with a proper gesture. B/W Force push doesn't kills on open ground.

Now watch this:

Among them, the girl is a Force-user. Also, this demonstration of power and control is from a single host. And Vitiate had been spending energy on possessing countless hosts on Ziost. Imagine that.

Also, keep your taunts to yourself. I can respond in kind as well.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If the Father is correct, then why didn't The Ones rip Mortis apart as a side-effect of their powers?
Because Mortis was a prison designed to contain them...
Source: The Clone Wars: Overlords

"My children and I can manipulate the Force like no other. Therefore, it was necessary to withdraw from the temporal world and live here as anchorites."

"As a sanctuary?"

"And a prison. You cannot imagine what pain it is to have such love for your children… and realize that they could tear the very fabric of our universe."

Source: The Clone Wars: Overlords

"It is only here that I can control them. A family in balance. The light and the dark. Day with night. Destruction, replaced by creation."

We don't know the exact nature of the device but it is quite obvious that it is tremendously advanced, the Celestials being responsible for vastly powerful and advanced technology by which they could shape the very galaxy.

Bearing in mind that this has been validated by canonical sources.

Darth Marr have no personal experience with Vitiate? 🙄

Just stop. I won't bother addressing a point which is based on utter falsehood.

Lol OK, but the fact is he is one of many Sith who has never seen or spoken with the Emperor in person, let alone made privy to his secrets.
Father is supposed to be credible but Darth Marr is not? Isn't this double standard?
No because I've actually given reasons beyond "it's a claim" to support the fact that Marr is less reliable.
Darth Marr have served Vitiate for decades and does have ample knowledge of his capabilities. Yes, he underestimated Vitiate but this doesn't means that he have no credibility on the subject. He guides protags in matters concerning Vitiate.
How? The Emperor has been cut off from the outside world for centuries and even to the Dark Council he remains a mystery.
Source: SWTOR Encyclopedia

Since the end of the Great War, the Emperor has once more withdrawn to prepare for his mysterious calling...

...Aided by his powerful, secretive, and far-reaching power base, the Emperor pulls strings across the galaxy to carry out his master stroke - the details of which only the Emperor knows.

Source: SWTOR Encyclopedia

The Emperor's periods of absence stretched from decades to centuries, his undying rule extended by a Sith ritual that granted the Emperor nearly eternal life. Entire generations of Dark Council members never saw their supreme leader, and some began to doubt his very existence.

Neither his servitude to Vitiate nor his position on the Dark Council is proof he possesses privy and accurate knowledge on Vitiate's powers.

He guide the protags? Great. That's called leadership. As the de facto leader of the Sith Empire it is him that everyone is turning to guidance for, that does not make him an authority on the subject, and you've yet failed to prove he is.

And what is wrong the statement below?

"He did not assume a physical form or possess a body. And he left as soon as he appeared. None of it makes sense!"

Nothing is wrong with it, what is demonstrates though is that Marr prior assumptions on the Emperor were false, and he clearly does not wholly understand the Emperor's power as you claimed, otherwise he would not be confused.

Regardless whether Marr is an authority to Vitiate or not is hardly relevant to the debate. Nor is his possible ability to consume the entire galaxy, considering Ziost Vitiate has yet to achieve the power to do so. It's irrelevant.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I disagree with the assumption that Father is all-knowing. How the hell he is supposed to be?

I acknowledge The Ones as immensely powerful Force-users. However, their on-screen demonstrations do not do justice to their hype.

I don't recall saying the Father is all knowing, I recall saying that the Father is in tune with the cosmic balance of the galaxy, and therefore would be aware of those who would effect it.

He did after all know of the existence of Anakin Skywalker, and brought him to Mortis. Really is ridiculous to believe that the Father, whose practical role is to maintain balance in the Force, would be unaware of a vastly powerful dark sider who plans to consume the entire galaxy.

Father could be manipulating Anakin Skywalker to take his place.
Prove it.
Vitiate harmed the Force in different places (e.g. Nathema and Ziost) and is implied to have created imbalance and you are stating that his influence is not profound? 🙄
I said nothing Vitiate has done is as profound. None of this is a demonstration of tearing the very fabric of the galaxy apart by virtue of one's existence, nor is it proof that Vitiate was a fulcrum for the Force and an essential aspect of it whose mere death could cause a considerable shift.

Try again.

BioWare isn't concentrating on this matter, this doesn't means that Vitiate's actions are not causing great disturbance in the Force.
If your going to state Vitiate has parity with the Ones, provide proof not baseless assertions.
Did Vitiate try tutaminis? He didn't.

When The Ones tanked Lightsabers, they weren't performing other actions. They fully concentrated on tanking lightsabers.

Was the Emperor occupied with other actions throughout the entirety of their duel?

Was he occupied with other actions here?

I wasn't aware Vitiate required so much concentration to walk.

Fact is conventional weaponry has prove useless against the Ones, but Vitiate has demonstrate to be vulnerable to it.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Power of The Son:

- Not too great. I am disappointed.

So we've resorted to cherry picking now?

EmperorSidious2 Master of Magic

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So all of you Daughter fangirls, care to explain how Daughter stomps? What are her feats?

Subjectivity at its finest on display in this thread.

The Ones are the most overhyped and overrated characters of Star Wars.

The only ones who coul defeat the daughter are The Father, The Son, Abeloth and anakin Skywalker. By extension as Luke became what anakin was supposed to become I would say Luke could also defeat them. With that alone vitiate can't defeat her as she is known as one of the most powerful force weilders the u inverse will ever see. Also she was able to stalemate the son someone who is basically the dark side in carnet meaning he is the most powerful dark sider (purely). It goes like this The Son>Sidious>Vitiate. So if Sidious can't do it than what hope does Vitate have.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Does Dave Filoni have knowledge of Vitiate? I doubt that he concentrates on SWTOR related developments. It is all subjective in the end. You ask him about Vitiate and then let me know.

He was the guy put in charge of continuity among sources. I'm pretty sure his statements outweigh your opinion.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Canon continuity.

TCW is still applicable to the legends continuity as well.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A claim.

confirmed by The Ultimate Visual Guide: Updated and Expanded

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am sure that Vitiate got similar respect from many among his followers.

None as powerful as Talzin.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Her belief. She never faced Darth Sidious.

She's certainly aware of his Force Storms. Plus, Luke said Abeloth used the force with greater power than he ever did, and Luke has achieved oneness twice and wielded his and Leia's power to vanquish DE Sidious with a wall of light.

EmperorSidious2 Master of Magic

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Power of The Son:

- Not too great. I am disappointed.

Oh and don't forget his tutamintis or his battle with the sister or his first bout with obi wan and ahsoka, or how he showed anakin his future, or how he can turn into a giant bird, or his battle with The Daughter, or how he overwhelmed The Father twice.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Ones are Celestials.

It had been theorized by Jedi and Sith alike that balance between the light and dark sides was actually under the guidance of a group of discorporate entities—the ones called the Celestials, perhaps—who had merged themselves with the Force thousands of generations earlier, and had continued to guide the fate of the galaxy ever since. In effect, a higher order of intermediaries, whose powers were beyond the understanding of mortal beings. But many Sith viewed the notion with disdain, for the theoretical existence of such a group had little bearing on the goal of making the Force subservient to the will of an enlightened elite. Only the Sith understood that sentient life was on the verge of a transformative leap; that through the manipulation of midi-chlorians—or the overthrow of the Forceful group that supervised them—the divide between organic life and the Force could be bridged, and death could be erased from the continuum.

Taken from [B]Star Wars: Darth Plagueis

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The Ones facilitated in construction of Centerpoint Station [/B]


FOTJ Confirms that the Ones are what the Celestials became.

I do find it interesting that you are using a source that says Celestials>Vitiate though.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because Mortis was a prison designed to contain them...

Not a convincing argument. Mortis maybe a prison but its internal environment is supposed to be destruction-proof?

We don't see The Ones causing violent tremors, knocking down trees, disintegrating rocks and structures as side-effect of their actions.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
We don't know the exact nature of the device but it is quite obvious that it is tremendously advanced, the Celestials being responsible for vastly powerful and advanced technology by which they could shape the very galaxy.

Bearing in mind that this has been validated by canonical sources.


I don't deny the fact that Celestial creations are very impressive. They fascinate me.

However, below is the reason given for The Ones to migrate to Mortis in Legends continuity:

In these reliefs, Abeloth stood alone in the courtyard, watching the Father depart with the Son and Daughter. Her face was contorted in anger, and the air around her was whirling with fronds and jungle reptiles and lightning. In the panels that followed, she looked even more deranged. The courtyard was overrun with vegetation, and a large winged lizard was struggling to escape her grasp, its eyes wide with terror, it wings straining as it struggled to pull its foot out of her hand.

Taken from (Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse)

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol OK, but the fact is he is one of many Sith who has never seen or spoken with the Emperor in person, let alone made privy to his secrets.

I disagree. Darth Marr became a member of Dark Council and Vitiate was known to have meetings with the Dark Council to discuss important matters.

On the occasions when the Emperor summons them, however, all members of the Dark Council are expected to gather and obey.

Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic)

Vitiate had become active in the galactic matters since Great Galactic War. And Darth Marr was a member of the Dark Council during these times. He likely had met Vitiate several times. In addition, Marr could gather information about Vitiate from other sources and individuals.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No because I've actually given reasons beyond "it's a claim" to support the fact that Marr is less reliable.

I don't find The Father's claim reliable either, specially when the Legends continuity is considered. See above.

Marr's limited knowledge of Vitiate should not be considered an indication of lack of reliability. He understood that Vitiate posed threat to the entire galaxy and his revival won't be good for anybody. This is why he opposed Revan's plan on Yavin IV. Ziost related developments surprised him in the sense that Vitiate turned out to be more powerful then he assumed earlier.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
How? The Emperor has been cut off from the outside world for centuries and even to the Dark Council he remains a mystery.

Neither his servitude to Vitiate nor his position on the Dark Council is proof he possesses privy and accurate knowledge on Vitiate's powers.


That information is valid for events prior to Great Galactic War.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He guide the protags? Great. That's called leadership. As the de facto leader of the Sith Empire it is him that everyone is turning to guidance for, that does not make him an authority on the subject, and you've yet failed to prove he is.

My point is that Marr is more reliable authority for Vitiate then Tahiri Veila is for Darth Sidious. Unlike Veila, Marr had the opportunity to meet Vitiate and acquire information about him from within the Empire to formulate an assessment of his power.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nothing is wrong with it, what is demonstrates though is that Marr prior assumptions on the Emperor were false, and he clearly does not wholly understand the Emperor's power as you claimed, otherwise he would not be confused.

How is his earlier assumption false?

"Vitiate maybe more powerful then any of us assumed."

Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic)

This isn't an indication of Vitiate power not being up to the mark, rather an indication of being greater then originally imagined.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Regardless whether Marr is an authority to Vitiate or not is hardly relevant to the debate. Nor is his possible ability to consume the entire galaxy, considering Ziost Vitiate has yet to achieve the power to do so. It's irrelevant.

Vitiate needs sacrifices of billions for a ritual that can be performed to consume the entire galaxy. And he can pull this off by himself as apparent of his actions on Ziost. A single planet is likely to possess billions of life forms.

This is Marr's original assessment:

"No one person - not even Revan - can truly destroy the Emperor. He will destroy Revan, then move on to the rest of us. In time, he will consume all life in the galaxy."

From (Darth Marr, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan)

It is absolutely correct.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not a convincing argument. Mortis maybe a prison but its internal environment is supposed to be destruction-proof?
It's not an argument, its a fact. It is a fact that the power the Ones' possessed posed a considerable threat to the galaxy at large, and it is therefore a fact that they sealed themselves away on Mortis. Irrespective of what we see, it is obvious that Mortis through whatever means, is able to contain their destructive power. Your inability to accept that reality is not my concern.
We don't see The Ones causing violent tremors, knocking down trees, disintegrating rocks and structures as side-effect of their actions.
No we don't, proof that Mortis works. But what we do see is the environment on Mortis dramatically and sometimes violently changes in response to their presence. Something, for the record, does not happen when Vitiate swans about.
I don't deny the fact that Celestial creations are very impressive. They fascinate me.

However, below is the reason given for The Ones to migrate to Mortis in Legends continuity:

In these reliefs, Abeloth stood alone in the courtyard, watching the Father depart with the Son and Daughter. Her face was contorted in anger, and the air around her was whirling with fronds and jungle reptiles and lightning. In the panels that followed, she looked even more deranged. The courtyard was overrun with vegetation, and a large winged lizard was struggling to escape her grasp, its eyes wide with terror, it wings straining as it struggled to pull its foot out of her hand.

Taken from (Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse)

Here's another reason:
Source: The Ultimate Visual Guide: Updated and Expanded

Long ago, the Ones withdrew from the galaxy to avoid ruining it with their Force powers.

I don't find The Father's claim reliable either, specially when the Legend continuity is considered. Revelation provided above.
Your "revelation" didn't reveal anything, you just spammed a random quote and expected me to be amazed.

Sorry, but I'm not feeling particular enlightened.

Vitiate needs sacrifices of billions for a ritual that can be performed to consume the entire galaxy. And he can pull this off by himself as apparent of his actions on Ziost. A single planet is likely to possess billions of life forms.

This is Marr's original assessment:

"No one person - not even Revan - can truly destroy the Emperor. He will destroy Revan, then move on to the rest of us. In time, he will consume all life in the galaxy."

From (Darth Marr, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan)

It is absolutely correct.

Translation: Vitiate needs power he currently does not possess to consume the entire galaxy. Great.

Unfortunately until he achieves that power, he is not on par with the Ones. And sadly, he never will.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Finally all of the Ones possess the ability to shut off lightsabers. Vitiate, evidently, does not:

/debate

A poor comparison. Anakin killed the Son with a lightsaber when his power had faded and he was preoccupied. Similarly Vitiate's power was exhausted and he wasn't given the opportunity to try to block the Hero's lightsaber.

Not that I'm suggesting Vitiate could shrug off lightsabers, just pointing out that your comparison is shit.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I don't recall saying the Father is all knowing, I recall saying that the Father is in tune with the cosmic balance of the galaxy, and therefore would be aware of those who would effect it.

And this doesn't conflicts with my point that the Father was trying to manipulate Anakin Skywalker. The Father was dying and he found a suitable replacement in the aforementioned Skywalker.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He did after all know of the existence of Anakin Skywalker, and brought him to Mortis.

He didn't knew about Anakin Skywalker. He conducted a test to verify the theory that Anakin was The Chosen One among the Jedi.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Really is ridiculous to believe that the Father, whose practical role is to maintain balance in the Force, would be unaware of a vastly powerful dark sider who plans to consume the entire galaxy.

He is unlikely to know the reasons behind such imbalances. He would send distress signals from Mortis to lure in potential visitors and interact with them. This is how Xendor was able to meet him centuries earlier then Anakin Skywalker.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Prove it.

See the revelation from Legends continuity.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I said nothing Vitiate has done is as profound. None of this is a demonstration of tearing the very fabric of the galaxy apart by virtue of one's existence, nor is it proof that Vitiate was a fulcrum for the Force and an essential aspect of it whose mere death could cause a considerable shift.

Prove that The Ones were able to destroy galaxies with mere presence.

Influence of The Ones on the cosmic Force is also not much profound in the larger picture. The balance of the Force had been disrupted during PT era:

Yoda: Blind we are, of creation of this clone army we could not see.

Mace Windu: I think it is time we inform the senate that our ability to use the force has diminished.

Yoda: Only a Dark Lord of the Sith knows of our weakness. If informed the senate is, multiply our adversaries will.

Taken from Star Wars: Attack of the Clones

What does this revelation imply?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Try again.

You try again.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
If your going to state Vitiate has parity with the Ones, provide proof not baseless assertions.

Vitiate had torn the very fabric of the cosmic Force apart around Nathema and Ziost.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Was the Emperor occupied with other actions throughout the entirety of their duel?

Was he occupied with other actions here?

I wasn't aware Vitiate required so much concentration to walk.


This is red herring.

Vitiate was unleashing Force Lightning on Hero of Tython with both hands while approaching him. In the heat of this moment, HoT managed to strike him down. Vitiate was not in the position to tank a lightsaber in these circumstances. And Vitiate had already lost much of his power during the time of this confrontation.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Fact is conventional weaponry has prove useless against the Ones, but Vitiate has demonstrate to be vulnerable to it.

Vitiate have found a way to circumvent it anyhow:

And as he does not appear to have any manner of physical form, he cannot be restrained or destroyed by conventional means.

Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor)

Now tell me that how the Daughter is supposed to contend with formless Vitiate.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by Nephthys
A poor comparison. Anakin killed the Son with a lightsaber when his power had faded and he was preoccupied. Similarly Vitiate's power was exhausted and he wasn't given the opportunity to try to block the Hero's lightsaber.

Not that I'm suggesting Vitiate could shrug off lightsabers, just pointing out that your comparison is shit.

As I said to Legend, Vitiate had ample time to deactive the HoT's lightsaber throughout that confrontation, I just find this scene entertaining. 😛

Still, Vitiate was not distracted, he chose to attack with lightning.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The only ones who coul defeat the daughter are The Father, The Son, Abeloth and anakin Skywalker. By extension as Luke became what anakin was supposed to become I would say Luke could also defeat them.

Vitiate's showings are on par with those of Abeloth. Your point is moot.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
With that alone vitiate can't defeat her as she is known as one of the most powerful force weilders the u inverse will ever see.

Big deal? Vitiate is in the same boat.

The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

&

The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Also she was able to stalemate the son someone who is basically the dark side in carnet meaning he is the most powerful dark sider (purely). It goes like this The Son>Sidious>Vitiate. So if Sidious can't do it than what hope does Vitate have.

It doesn't goes like that.

"The Emperor is the dark side incarnate. You wouldn't stand a chance." - The Emperor's Wrath

The Ones are the most powerful Force-users in canon but Vitiate and Sidious (DE) are not part of canon continuity.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And this doesn't conflicts with my point that the Father was trying to manipulate Anakin Skywalker. The Father was dying and he found a suitable replacement in the aforementioned Skywalker.
Which you have failed to prove. Nowhere are we given reason to believe the Father is lying.
He didn't knew about Anakin Skywalker. He conducted a test to verify the theory that Anakin was The Chosen One among the Jedi.
The fact that he knew the Chosen One was among the Jedi is proof he knew about Anakin Skywalker lol. He may not have known his exact identity, but he knew he existed, he could only have done so by sensing his presence.

The fact that he makes such a broad and bold claim suggests he is aware of the larger galaxy and the powerful beings within it.

He is unlikely to know the reasons behind such imbalances. He would send distress signals from Mortis to lure in potential visitors and interact with them. This is how Xendor was able to meet him centuries earlier then Anakin Skywalker.
What is this supposed to prove? And Xendor discovered the planet by his own initiative I believe.
See the revelation from Legends continuity.
Not only does your "revelation" prove diddly squat, but its not even relevant to this topic.
Prove that The Ones were able to destroy galaxies with mere presence.
You can read yes? The Father claimed as much and his claim has been verified by a canon source. You've yet to invalidate either.
What does this revelation imply?
That Sidious > Vitiate. 😐
You try again.
Lol cute.
Vitiate had torn the very fabric of the cosmic Force apart around Nathema and Ziost.
No, he drained the living Force from Nathema and Ziost. Both planets remained intact.

Draining living Force of some planets =/= tearing the apart the very fabric of the universe.

This is red herring.
How? Vitiate had ample time to deactivate the HoT's weapon and he did not. If we was as powerful as the Ones, he would have deactivated his weapon before he attacked. He didn't. And he died as a result.
And Vitiate had already lost much of his power during the time of this confrontation.
The Ones could deactivate lightsabers with ease, this is no excuse.
Now tell me that how the Daughter is supposed to contend with formless Vitiate.
By banishing him with a Wall of Light...