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S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

This official trailer sums up Vitiate's power:

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And such power is not demonstrated.

And yet your arguing that Vitiate can kill a person with his touch despite him never demonstrating as such. Double standards are double standards. It is stated they can, and nothing contradicts this fact, so they can.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And yet your arguing that Vitiate can kill a person with his touch despite him never demonstrating as such. Double standards are double standards. It is stated they can, and nothing contradicts this fact, so they can.

Vitiate packs sufficient power to do that. It is not an assumption. He discarded several individuals (including a Force-user) like paper with a single host and he was possessing many hosts while performing this act.

Double standards?

I cited the example of Abeloth to prove your stand wrong. Again, do you have memory issues?

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I have stated several times before that The Ones are the most powerful Force-users in Canon continuity. However, we are discussing Legends continuity here. Disney is treating SWTOR as an alternate universe.
Q: Are The Old Republic expansions canon?
A: No — BioWare "has created their own universe that is so fantastic," we’re not going to change it, says Hidalgo.
In this alternate universe, Vitiate is the most powerful Force-user. Is this so difficult to understand?

Just because TCW is in the Canon continuity doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the Legends continuity. The Holocron Database, which has TCW>SWTORE as a source as far as canon precedence goes is technically a legends source now, ergo the Legends continuity would still be governed by that rule.

If a statement was made in a canon source after the continuity split, it is not applicable to Legends, but anything in a canon source before that split should apply to both continuities.

As it so happens, the TCW narration and Leland Chee statement came out before that continuity split. Their statements still apply to both continuities.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Why did they failed to destroy Abeloth?

Apparently they didn't have access to the Dagger of Mortis, which is required to permanently destroy her. Without using the Dagger, she'd just keep coming back.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Canon Sidious holds no candle to Vitiate in power.

Choking Darth Tyranus from across the Galaxy says differently.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You forgot about the unborn child! Essentially combined might of two skywalkers and 1 solo. Still, they bested Sidious (DE) temporarily.

Yes, they bested DE Sidious using less power than Abeloth wields.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did Tahiri Veila experienced Force Storms? She wouldn't have survived in one anyways.

She's certainly familiar with them. Any Jedi post DE whose unaware of Sidious's Force Storms was poorly educated.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did Luke Skywalker assert that Abeloth was more powerful then Darth Sidious?

It's pretty heavily implied. ie. Abeloth using more power than Luke wielded when besting DE Sidious, and Grand Master Luke viewing her as having powers almost beyond comprehension.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And Obi-Wan tolerated a blast of his Force Lightning. Killing Ahsoka like that isn't a big deal, she isn't powerful by Jedi standards.

And Kira broke out of Vitiate's Mind Control 🙁

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Just because TCW is in the Canon continuity doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the Legends continuity. The Holocron Database, which has TCW>SWTORE as a source as far as canon precedence goes is technically a legends source now, ergo the Legends continuity would still be governed by that rule.
If a statement was made in a canon source after the continuity split, it is not applicable to Legends, but anything in a canon source before that split should apply to both continuities.
As it so happens, the TCW narration and Leland Chee statement came out before that continuity split. Their statements still apply to both continuities.

Canon dictums do not apply to Legends continuity because Legends continuity related developments are not part of Canon continuity. As an example, Vitiate does not exists in canon.

The Ones were hyped as the most powerful Force-users prior to introduction and promotion of Vitiate to the mythos.

Release date of Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Altar of Mortis (episode) is February 4, 2011.

Release data of Star Wars: The Old Republic (game) is December 20, 2011.

Vitiate's promotion as the most powerful Force-user became apparent in year 2012.

I know that Mr. Leland Chee regarded The Father as the most powerful Force-user but this could be his personal assumption and his opinion was contradicted in the official literature. Even if we are to assume that the Father was the most powerful Force-user in his prime, his ranking is not valid for The Son and The Daughter.

Since continuity split is the newer official development, it can be assumed that The Ones are likely unparalleled in Canon continuity but have rivals in the Legends continuity.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Apparently they didn't have access to the Dagger of Mortis, which is required to permanently destroy her. Without using the Dagger, she'd just keep coming back.

When was the Dagger of Mortis created?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Choking Darth Tyranus from across the Galaxy says differently.

It is a good feat.

For comparison, consider Vitiate's Children feat. Vitiate shared his essence with hundreds of Force-users whom he planted within enemy ranks including withinn the Jedi Order. Vitiate could use these Force-users as unwitting pwns at will and could activate all of them simultaneously. Not just this but he utilized the First Son (most powerful among the Children) as a conduit to conceal the darkness of his Children from even the Jedi Order for centuries 24/7.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes, they bested DE Sidious using less power than Abeloth wields.

Temporarily.

In one battle, Luke Skywalker single-handedly defeated Abeloth in a cave setting, using the environment to his advantage. So?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
She's certainly familiar with them. Any Jedi post DE whose unaware of Sidious's Force Storms was poorly educated.

It is still a belief.

Some people believe that US army sucks. Is it true?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It's pretty heavily implied. ie. Abeloth using more power than Luke wielded when besting DE Sidious, and Grand Master Luke viewing her as having powers almost beyond comprehension.

Abeloth certainly holds her own against Sidious (DE) in matters of strength and command of the Force. Never disputed this.

Originally posted by SunRazer
And Kira broke out of Vitiate's Mind Control 🙁

Hero of Tython helped her.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate packs sufficient power to do that. It is not an assumption. He discarded several individuals (including a Force-user) like paper with a single host and he was possessing many hosts while performing this act.

The point is a lack of demonstration isn't sufficient proof in itself, which you seem to be falling back to dispute the reality of the Ones' powers.

I cited the example of Abeloth to prove your stand wrong.

You then failed to prove why that interpretation of yours takes precedence over literal canon statements regarding the Ones' abilities.

Again, do you have memory issues?

My memory is quite fine thanks, but it would appear yours has room for improvement, as it's omitted this particular response:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15233662#post15233662

Care to rectify that or shall I start taking concessions?

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Wow..this thread is still going on 😎

|King Joker| Your Excellency

Originally posted by Stigma
Wow..this thread is still going on 😎

It's both amusing and sad.

Beniboybling Worst Member

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

If one of you were to just stop responding, none would think any lesser of you. If anything we'd appreciate it.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
If one of you were to just stop responding, none would think any lesser of you. If anything we'd appreciate it.

You say that as if your being forced to participate. 😬

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

I am, actually, I have to read all of these for future references that involve large amounts of snide remarks, passive aggressiveness, jabs, and offhanded mocking. I don't expect you to understand.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Mmm ah I see...

Aurbere Senior Member

I asked myself how a thread featuring Vitiate vs the Daughter could last this long, but then I read the first page and it makes sense.

Sinious Yo Da Best

Originally posted by Aurbere
I asked myself how a thread featuring Vitiate vs the Daughter could last this long, but then I read the first page and it makes sense.

I guess Vitiate is simply that good... or Legend is simply this obsessed.

Aurbere Senior Member

The latter is most likely true.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The point is a lack of demonstration isn't sufficient proof in itself, which you seem to be falling back to dispute the reality of the Ones' powers.

Indeed, but ruining the galaxy is really stretching it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You then failed to prove why that interpretation of yours takes precedence over literal canon statements regarding the Ones' abilities.

Abeloth didn't ruin the galaxy with her powers. Assuming otherwise is hyperbole.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
My memory is quite fine thanks, but it would appear yours has room for improvement, as it's omitted this particular response:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15233662#post15233662
I have addressed that response below. Did you read it?
Care to rectify that or shall I start taking concessions?

I addressed that response below. Did you pay attention?

Beniboybling Worst Member

In which you failed to respond to what's important, don't worry I'll keep those questions waiting for you when this next comes up. 👆

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

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