The Flash Vs The Hulk, rep to rep

Which character, in their respective Universe, has been shown to live up to their tag line (fastest man alive, strongest one there is) the best?
Who's really earned their reputation?

Take in all feats/stories/high and low end showings since their debuts:

1956 Pre Crisis for Barry Allen, to Post Crisis (since wally West spent such a huge chunk of time under the name, for this thread, his feats are allowable as well), to the current DCnu.
1962 for Bruce Banner, from gray to green, all different temperaments and versions, to include his time in the Heroes Reborn universe.

H'm. Good question. First impression: Flash, cuz 1) I think Hulk has gotten beaten up more often than Flash has been outraced; and this is because 2) Marvel may have more top-tier bricks/brick-capables (eg, Mangog, Asgardian Destroyer, Zeus) than DC has top-tier speedsters (eg, Zoom, though he's really a time thing).

Again, just a first impression.

Its a first impression i got as well, so i cant argue. I think your Hulk reasoning seems sound, too.

Wally has top feats. That Waid/Morrison/Millar span assured that. He outraced teleporters across the universe. What would be the strength equivalent of that?

Thats what i'm hoping someone chimes in with!

Looking around, i found these for the Hulk...

Punching through a time storm (Incredible Hulk 135) and time (Indestructible Hulk 15)

Clashing with Ironclad in the crossroads causing "cataclysmic upheavals and unimaginable destruction" in an "infinite number of dimensions" (Incredible Hulk 304)

Overpowering a field of energy that had the power to change the orbit of a planet (Tales to Astonish 89)

Having the weight of a star on him and not even coming to his knees until he had his throat slit (Infinity 6)

Originally posted by Mindship
H'm. Good question. First impression: Flash, cuz 1) I think Hulk has gotten beaten up more often than Flash has been outraced; and this is because 2) Marvel may have more top-tier bricks/brick-capables (eg, Mangog, Asgardian Destroyer, Zeus) than DC has top-tier speedsters (eg, Zoom, though he's really a time thing).

Again, just a first impression.

Good point.
Remember, i'm not comparing the characters to each other, technically, but to others in their universe.
Has Hulk been shown to be the strongest there is, and Flash the fastest? And if so, how significantly?

Flash has nigh uncontested speed (Basically just Death in its myriad forms, and Prof Zoom). Hulk gets overpowered a lot. And there's quite a few beings undeniably stronger than him.

The only way this would be a contest is if you factor in how worthless Flash usually is. People might not be faster than him but he sure looks useless a lot more than Hulk ever has.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Flash has nigh uncontested speed (Basically just Death in its myriad forms, and Prof Zoom). Hulk gets overpowered a lot. And there's quite a few beings undeniably stronger than him.

The only way this would be a contest is if you factor in how worthless Flash usually is. People might not be faster than him but he sure looks useless a lot more than Hulk ever has.

I agree. There's no way any Hulk is stronger than Thanos w/ the Infinity Gauntlet or Eternity whereas you can't be faster than instantly across the universe or being able to outrace Death by speeding towards a time when the concept of Death itself does not exist. It's harder to find such examples in a strength scale. However, in general, the Hulk has less peers whereas u can find examples of other speedsters in the DCU being on par w/ the normal Flash that is portrayed.

Is this a ft contest because if so, I would say it is even. Even though Hulk lose, he does have some of the best strength fts out there. Even though Flash is the fastest he gets tagged almost every time he face someone slower than him. He lose to people far slower than him. So this goes both ways. Even though Hulk is the strongest there is, there are times where he is physically beaten. Even though Flash is the fastest there is, he tends to get dropped by people far slower than him. If it came down to fts, I would say it's even but when it comes to consistency, I would give it to the Hulk.

Flash.

Originally posted by carver9
Is this a ft contest because if so, I would say it is even. Even though Hulk lose, he does have some of the best strength fts out there. Even though Flash is the fastest he gets tagged almost every time he face someone slower than him. He lose to people far slower than him. So this goes both ways. Even though Hulk is the strongest there is, there are times where he is physically beaten. Even though Flash is the fastest there is, he tends to get dropped by people far slower than him. If it came down to fts, I would say it's even but when it comes to consistency, I would give it to the Hulk.

I would agree w/ consistency Hulk, but how could you define a strength feat that matches the Flash speed feats? Even if you could condense the masses of two galaxies and place one in each of the Hulk's hands (a dubious feat even for the Hulk), that wouldn't beat the speed-cheese the Flash is capable of. Examples of holding the "weight of the universe" or keeping two realities from collapsing together...that's just arguably near the scale of the Flash feats, if even.

For example, Super Prime cheese such as tugging planets, continuity changing punches, and dimensional imp hunting aren't strength feats that match top-end Flash.

Originally posted by Invisible Sanji
I would agree w/ consistency Hulk, but how could you define a strength feat that matches the Flash speed feats? Even if you could condense the masses of two galaxies and place one in each of the Hulk's hands (a dubious feat even for the Hulk), that wouldn't beat the speed-cheese the Flash is capable of. Examples of holding the "weight of the universe" or keeping two realities from collapsing together...that's just arguably near the scale of the Flash feats, if even.

For example, Super Prime cheese such as tugging planets, continuity changing punches, and dimensional imp hunting aren't strength feats that match top-end Flash.

Thats where we should come to a conclusion on what's Flash best speed ft and compare it to Hulk best strength ft. Example...Hulk fight against Ironclad was causing devistating destruction to an infinite amount of dimensions...wrecking it. I don't know Flash best which is the reason I'm asking.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats where we should come to a conclusion on what's Flash best speed ft and compare it to Hulk best strength ft. Example...Hulk fight against Ironclad was causing devistating destruction to an infinite amount of dimensions...wrecking it. I don't know Flash best which is the reason I'm asking.

I would say racing cosmic teleporters across the universe. That's basically saying an infinite distance divided by no time. That's the best example of infinity as you can get.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
DC has a HUGE amount of speedsters compared to Marvel. It's easier to list top tier heralds in DC who DON'T have FTL speed than who do. It's a testament to how fast Flash is that he still is the fastest man alive.

In any event, let's assume DC has just as many speedsters. Then, as you've indicated, it's even more of a testament to how fast Flash is.

I also have a sense that, maybe, Marvel characters (or some, anyway) job more? Not sure.

Whatever Bran says, it's true.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats where we should come to a conclusion on what's Flash best speed ft and compare it to Hulk best strength ft. Example...Hulk fight against Ironclad was causing devistating destruction to an infinite amount of dimensions...wrecking it. I don't know Flash best which is the reason I'm asking.

Isn't he only cl70 or something? That sounds like a crazier feat for him then Hulk.

Originally posted by cdtm
Ufoes Ironclad??

Isn't he only cl70 or something? That sounds like a crazier feat for him then Hulk.

He was amped. All of the foes were.

Also, they were at the crossroads, which lessens the impact somewhat.

Besides, moot point. Not what the OP is asking.

He's asking if Hulk truly is the strongest one there is. Using a shared feat kinda defeats the point, lol. Its the same with the WBH feat....Betty was equal to Hulk at the time.

Is Hulk the strongest one there is in Marvel?
Is Flash the fastest man alive in DC?

THAT is what the OPis asking. And seeing as there are stronger in Marvel, but no faster men than Wally/Barry(hell, Wally finished a race BEFORE he even started), Flash wins this.