Originally posted by juggerman
As someone mentioned already, William was shot with UV rounds, not silver. While I don't think just a few would down William, Blade certainly wouldn't stop until he was dead. And as you stated Lucian was able to survive being shot and even pushed them out, you must remember that Lucian is a Lycan and William is a werewolf. A big difference between the two in the series is Lycan can turn back and forth between beast and man while werewolves are stuck that way. Seeing as how they are different, we can't just give William abilities Lucian has shown(also it seemed as tho only Lucian had this ability possibly thru training his body, something William cannot do due to being a rage monster).
Unless I am missing something, Lucian's abilities do come from William, who else would they come from?
William was able to recognize his brother and not attack him so I wouldn't say William is as mindless as the werewolves he turns, just that he is not in full control of his rage.
Maybe I need to research this but according to my knowledge there isn't really a difference in abilities between a Lycan and werewolf.
As for Blade, if the bullets to do not take him down William is going to close the gap eventually. I do not recall fighting far away as a technique that Blade uses. That sounds more like Selene.
Originally posted by Khazra RebornI really do not see how you see Blade getting stomp by Marcus. Also, as for Nomak he is the wild card and most dangerous. I bite from him might change Marcus.
Markus is by far the strongest, and he can fly. Nomak has insane damage soak, but the way he fights, he wouldn't last long with Markus at all. Nomak vs. William is a good fight, I'm not sure how that would go honestly.Blade would get stomped by Markus, but in turn stomp William.
Basically, no ones beating Markus, but it kind of depends on how they pair off.
There is only two ways to kill Nomak, rip his heart out or take of his head. He can repair broken bones immediately. Nomak is extremely skilled in hand to hand combat.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I wasn't aware of the UV rounds. Still a lot of bullets to tank.Unless I am missing something, Lucian's abilities do come from William, who else would they come from?
William was able to recognize his brother and not attack him so I wouldn't say William is as mindless as the werewolves he turns, just that he is not in full control of his rage.
Maybe I need to research this but according to my knowledge there isn't really a difference in abilities between a Lycan and werewolf.
As for Blade, if the bullets to do not take him down William is going to close the gap eventually. I do not recall fighting far away as a technique that Blade uses. That sounds more like Selene.
Yes it was a lot of bullets but since it wasn't his weakness(silver) they had little effect. Just imagine the difference between Wolverine taking regular bullets vs him taking bullets that negate his healing factor. Big difference right? Same here
Yes Lucian's powers came from William's line, but he was clearly a different species which was made clear in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans. Those bitten by William or wolves like him could not control themselves and could not turn human. Who knows what else they couldn't do. Besides, we can't just say William can do something we've never seen him do before.
Good point, but he is certainly not skilled or tactical in any way. He would be easily outsmarted or out fought especially by someone skilled with ranged weaponry.
Blade shoots enemies all the time. He also throws bladed weapons. No need to get close at all if he doesn't want to
Originally posted by Kotor3
I really do not see how you see Blade getting stomp by Marcus. Also, as for Nomak he is the wild card and most dangerous. I bite from him might change Marcus.There is only two ways to kill Nomak, rip his heart out or take of his head. He can repair broken bones immediately. Nomak is extremely skilled in hand to hand combat.
Good point on Nomak's bite, I forgot about that. I have my doubts he'd be able to bite Markus though, he's too strong IMO.
Nomak is an effective brawler, who relies a lot on his damage soak, but I would in no way call him extremely skilled. Most of the time, I think Markus would Probably just over power Nomak and filet him with his wings.
Blade is good, but he's completely outclassed power wise against Markus. He beat Frost via plot, without EDTA he would have been screwed, likewise if Nomak didn't kill himself Blade would have been s.o.l there too.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Good point on Nomak's bite, I forgot about that. I have my doubts he'd be able to bite Markus though, he's too strong IMO.Nomak is an effective brawler, who relies a lot on his damage soak, but I would in no way call him extremely skilled. Most of the time, I think Markus would Probably just over power Nomak and filet him with his wings.
Blade is good, but he's completely outclassed power wise against Markus. He beat Frost via plot, without EDTA he would have been screwed, likewise if Nomak didn't kill himself Blade would have been s.o.l there too.
You don't think Nomak was extremely skilled? He was able to go toe-to-toe wtith Blade for a while. Unless u don't think of Blade as extremely skilled either (LOL) I'd say that was pretty damn impressive. Though I do agree Markus was more powerful.
Originally posted by Star428
You don't think Nomak was extremely skilled? He was able to go toe-to-toe wtith Blade for a while. Unless u don't think of Blade as extremely skilled either (LOL) I'd say that was pretty damn impressive. Though I do agree Markus was more powerful.
Well to be fair Nomak wouldn't need to be as skilled if he was superior stat wise. For example Thor is more skilled in h2h than Hulk but because Hulk is stronger he can close the gap and win with much less skill.
Other examples are Blade vs blood god Frost, Superman vs Batman, or Hellboy vs that other Nomak 😎
Originally posted by Star428
You don't think Nomak was extremely skilled? He was able to go toe-to-toe wtith Blade for a while. Unless u don't think of Blade as extremely skilled either (LOL) I'd say that was pretty damn impressive. Though I do agree Markus was more powerful.
Blade is quite skilled, as is Nomak, but I guess it's just a different kind of skill. Blade is a highly trained warrior, and Nomak just has s lot of fighting experience, and relies a lot on how much damage he can take.
I haven't seen Blade 2 for a minute, but as I recall it, Blade was clearly the more effective fighter, but Nomak was able to take all that Blade had and was eventually able to capitalize on Blade's mistakes, or tiredness or whatever you want to call it.
Originally posted by juggerman
Yes it was a lot of bullets but since it wasn't his weakness(silver) they had little effect. Just imagine the difference between Wolverine taking regular bullets vs him taking bullets that negate his healing factor. Big difference right? Same hereYes Lucian's powers came from William's line, but he was clearly a different species which was made clear in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans. Those bitten by William or wolves like him could not control themselves and could not turn human. Who knows what else they couldn't do. Besides, we can't just say William can do something we've never seen him do before.
Good point, but he is certainly not skilled or tactical in any way. He would be easily outsmarted or out fought especially by someone skilled with ranged weaponry.
Blade shoots enemies all the time. He also throws bladed weapons. No need to get close at all if he doesn't want to
You guys are kinda off here on what you're saying. Regular bullets CAN kill Werewolves... This is shown in the opening sequence of the movie where Raz's partner trying to capture Michael was killed by Regular bullets. So clearly they can kill and hurt them. The fact that William tank so many of them reinforces this point further.
Also, I'll have to watch again, but how do we know they were using UV bullets? Why would this be the case and a given? They were going after a Hybrid... they already knew he was from their first confrontation. He wasn't just a Vampire, so why would we assume they would treat him like one?
Originally posted by juggermanGood points.
Yes it was a lot of bullets but since it wasn't his weakness(silver) they had little effect. Just imagine the difference between Wolverine taking regular bullets vs him taking bullets that negate his healing factor. Big difference right? Same hereYes Lucian's powers came from William's line, but he was clearly a different species which was made clear in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans. Those bitten by William or wolves like him could not control themselves and could not turn human. Who knows what else they couldn't do. Besides, we can't just say William can do something we've never seen him do before.
Good point, but he is certainly not skilled or tactical in any way. He would be easily outsmarted or out fought especially by someone skilled with ranged weaponry.
Blade shoots enemies all the time. He also throws bladed weapons. No need to get close at all if he doesn't want to
Blade would definitely win against William, I have not doubts about that. However, I cannot fully agree with the points on Lucien.
I know he was born different but (I do not recall) it was stated how to my knowledge. Marcus also was not originally a hybrid, so the bloodline allowed for different mutations.
The werewolves that William made at the end of the movie (Evolution) were being killed from the UV bullets Selene used on them whereas they did not kill William. So William is obviously different and perhaps vastly from any werewolf that he made.
*This raises that question: How did UV rounds kill werewolves?
Originally posted by Khazra RebornMarkus is strong but I do not recall any feats of his that were greater than what Nomak did.
Good point on Nomak's bite, I forgot about that. I have my doubts he'd be able to bite Markus though, he's too strong IMO.Nomak is an effective brawler, who relies a lot on his damage soak, but I would in no way call him extremely skilled. Most of the time, I think Markus would Probably just over power Nomak and filet him with his wings.
Blade is good, but he's completely outclassed power wise against Markus. He beat Frost via plot, without EDTA he would have been screwed, likewise if Nomak didn't kill himself Blade would have been s.o.l there too.
Nomak was killing pure blooded Vampires and did not slow down after being shoot numerous times. He took a whole fortress of Vampires and humans by himself.
As for skill he was skilled enough to fight Blade in hand to hand combat and hit Blade multiple times in both encounters.
As for EDTA, that also might work on Marcus or perhaps not since he became a hybrid. I do not put Marcus on the same level as Dracula from the Blade movies. He is below Dracula.
All of Blades weapons would have some effect on Marcus, something his weapons did not have on Nomak.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Good points.Blade would definitely win against William, I have not doubts about that. However, I cannot fully agree with the points on Lucien.
I know he was born different but (I do not recall) it was stated how to my knowledge. Marcus also was not originally a hybrid, so the bloodline allowed for different mutations.
The werewolves that William made at the end of the movie (Evolution) were being killed from the UV bullets Selene used on them whereas they did not kill William. So William is obviously different and perhaps vastly from any werewolf that he made.
*This raises that question: How did UV rounds kill werewolves?
As my post mentions earlier... How do we know they were exclusively UV rounds. Where is this explicitly stated or shown? Why do you guys think Silver is their only weakness is beyond me. We see them physically beaten... we've seen bullets kill them... We seen swords kill them... We see stakes kill them. I'm literally confused on why people seem to believe Silver is the only way to kill them. It's not. We saw the creatures William made killed by whatever bullets they were.. if you guys call them UV.. that further reinforces how impressive it was William tanked them. If they weren't, they further reinforces any kind of bullet can kill them.
Originally posted by juggerman
Well to be fair Nomak wouldn't need to be as skilled if he was superior stat wise. For example Thor is more skilled in h2h than Hulk but because Hulk is stronger he can close the gap and win with much less skill.Other examples are Blade vs blood god Frost, Superman vs Batman, or Hellboy vs that other Nomak 😎
Yes, i realize that. Power usually trumps skill. I've argued that plenty of times in CBvF. That doesn't mean Nomak wasn't highly skilled though. If u watch his fights with Blade closely (especially the first one) he looked pretty damn skilled in them. Not quite as skilled as Blade, of course, but certainly much more than anbody else that Blade fought. That's how it appeared to me anyway.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You guys are kinda off here on what you're saying. Regular bullets CAN kill Werewolves... This is shown in the opening sequence of the movie where Raz's partner trying to capture Michael was killed by Regular bullets. So clearly they can kill and hurt them. The fact that William tank so many of them reinforces this point further.Also, I'll have to watch again, but how do we know they were using UV bullets? Why would this be the case and a given? They were going after a Hybrid... they already knew he was from their first confrontation. He wasn't just a Vampire, so why would we assume they would treat him like one?
Because the leader of the mortal team said that's all they had. That's how.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI didn't have time to look up whether they were UV rounds or not so I took their word for it. My post agree with you. We saw the other werewolves die whereas William did not. Sliver was the most effective way as I recall from the movie not the only way. I do not believe anyone is stating that sliver is the only means to kill werewolves in Underworld.
As my post mentions earlier... How do we know they were exclusively UV rounds. Where is this explicitly stated or shown? Why do you guys think Silver is their only weakness is beyond me. We see them physically beaten... we've seen bullets kill them... We seen swords kill them... We see stakes kill them. I'm literally confused on why people seem to believe Silver is the only way to kill them. It's not. We saw the creatures William made killed by whatever bullets they were.. if you guys call them UV.. that further reinforces how impressive it was William tanked them. If they weren't, they further reinforces any kind of bullet can kill them.