Originally posted by Star428
Are u going to enlighten us by telling us what it was then? I'm pretty sure whatever it is isn't as good as either of Markus' two insane strength feats at end of Evolution.
Blade punching power is far better than Markus hits whereas Marcus has better lifting fts. If you're basing it off of pulling and tugging then Markus has Blade beat but if we base it off of hits displayed during fights (which matter most here) then Blade wins.
Horse manure. I never saw anything to make me think Blade had soooooo much superior punching power as you're claiming. Only reason I originally said the Blade team wins was because of Blade and Nomak's skill and the fact that Blade has the specific types of weapons needed to win. If not for those weapons the Blade team would lose hard.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You guys are kinda off here on what you're saying. Regular bullets CAN kill Werewolves... This is shown in the opening sequence of the movie where Raz's partner trying to capture Michael was killed by Regular bullets. So clearly they can kill and hurt them. The fact that William tank so many of them reinforces this point further.Also, I'll have to watch again, but how do we know they were using UV bullets? Why would this be the case and a given? They were going after a Hybrid... they already knew he was from their first confrontation. He wasn't just a Vampire, so why would we assume they would treat him like one?
What regular bullets killed him? The vamps were using silver bullets there. And I never said reg bullets/weapon couldn't hurt them, but they have healing factors which is why I used Wolverine as an example.
I duuno if they knew Marcus was a hybrid or not. I have the same issue as I've not seen the film in years but I do remember they only had UV rounds so the plan was to stop Marcus before he released William
Originally posted by Kotor3
Good points.Blade would definitely win against William, I have not doubts about that. However, I cannot fully agree with the points on Lucien.
I know he was born different but (I do not recall) it was stated how to my knowledge. Marcus also was not originally a hybrid, so the bloodline allowed for different mutations.
The werewolves that William made at the end of the movie (Evolution) were being killed from the UV bullets Selene used on them whereas they did not kill William. So William is obviously different and perhaps vastly from any werewolf that he made.
*This raises that question: How did UV rounds kill werewolves?
Thank you
Glad we at least agree on Blade vs William
Lucian was actually born not created via a bite like most of them. In fact I think he was the only known naturally born Lycan. But more to the point, Lucian was the only one that showed the abilty to force out silver from his body. Maybe it was because he was old, or maybe it was because he trained his body specifically to do that and no one else did. Either way we can't assume Willaim can because neither he nor any other of his kind has shown the ability.
I don't remember that but if that's true then good catch. William is the most powerful wolf being the original(besides the Super Lycan but werewolves and lycan are different imo) so I'd expect him to tank stuff that others can't.
Underworld isn't the most consistant series out there. Maybe it was just a f*ck up
Originally posted by Star428
Yes, i realize that. Power usually trumps skill. I've argued that plenty of times in CBvF. That doesn't mean Nomak wasn't highly skilled though. If u watch his fights with Blade closely (especially the first one) he looked pretty damn skilled in them. Not quite as skilled as Blade, of course, but certainly much more than anbody else that Blade fought. That's how it appeared to me anyway.
Oh I agree with you. Nomak was skilled, just not Blade skilled. His stats closed the gap. But I was just saying how a character may not need to be skilled if his stats were crazy high
Originally posted by Kotor3
I have to watch again but didn't Blade roundhouse kick Drake and make Drake fly through glass across the room.
Yep and kicks a guy across the room into a thick steel door and knock said door down.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kM7ZhM2ufFg
KickKicked a guy into a steel pole and dents it. Have some major hitting fts in this fight.
Originally posted by juggermanI understand what you are stating concerning Lucien. However, you are choosing to assume that Wiiliam cannot perform a feat that Lucien could base on the fact that we did not see William do so and the fact that Lucien was different. That is fine. The truth is we really do not know. What is a fact is that William would be able to tank anything that Lucien could and more.
Thank youGlad we at least agree on Blade vs William
Lucian was actually born not created via a bite like most of them. In fact I think he was the only known naturally born Lycan. But more to the point, Lucian was the only one that showed the abilty to force out silver from his body. Maybe it was because he was old, or maybe it was because he trained his body specifically to do that and no one else did. Either way we can't assume Willaim can because neither he nor any other of his kind has shown the ability.
I don't remember that but if that's true then good catch. William is the most powerful wolf being the original(besides the Super Lycan but werewolves and lycan are different imo) so I'd expect him to tank stuff that others can't.
Underworld isn't the most consistant series out there. Maybe it was just a f*ck up
Points:
1. We can liken William to Nomak. William has the original strand of the virus. He cannot be killed the same way as his creations or offspring.
2. Lucien is not Michael. He does not have the original strand of the virus. He is a product of William’s virus, a mutated version. The corvin virus has shown the ability to mutate, such as Lucien, Michael, etc.
High end Lycans like Lucian can tank silver bullets, as seen in the first movie, which is why the vamps developed the silver nitrate rounds. But that's not really relevant since Blade only carries normal silver rounds, and William isn't very susceptible to them, and Markus as a hybrid, is completely immune to both silver and sunlight.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I understand what you are stating concerning Lucien. However, you are choosing to assume that Wiiliam cannot perform a feat that Lucien could base on the fact that we did not see William do so and the fact that Lucien was different. That is fine. The truth is we really do not know. What is a fact is that William would be able to tank anything that Lucien could and more.Points:
1. We can liken William to Nomak. William has the original strand of the virus. He cannot be killed the same way as his creations or offspring.
2. Lucien is not Michael. He does not have the original strand of the virus. He is a product of William’s virus, a mutated version. The corvin virus has shown the ability to mutate, such as Lucien, Michael, etc.
I'm not choosing anything really.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I understand what you are stating concerning Lucien. However, you are choosing to assume that Wiiliam cannot perform a feat that Lucien could base on the fact that we did not see William do so and the fact that Lucien was different. That is fine. The truth is we really do not know. What is a fact is that William would be able to tank anything that Lucien could and more.Points:
1. We can liken William to Nomak. William has the original strand of the virus. He cannot be killed the same way as his creations or offspring.
2. Lucien is not Michael. He does not have the original strand of the virus. He is a product of William’s virus, a mutated version. The corvin virus has shown the ability to mutate, such as Lucien, Michael, etc.
I'm not choosin anything really. We never see William(or anyone else besides Lucian for that matter) do it so we cannot assume he can. We also never get an explanation for how he did it(meaning is it something you can do once old enough or is it something you have to train to do). Without either William himself doing it or the reason behind Lucian being able to do it we just can't say William could. Besides if you watch the scene it looked as though Lucian had to focus to pull it off. Not something William would be doing in the middle of the fight if he can focus like that at all
1. Nomak would be closer to Lucian imo since they both are mutated versions of the original strain. And since that's the case it would be more likely this ability is a result of that mutation just as Nomak can turn Vampires into Reapers and is immune to silver
2. Nomak was a mutation too and it allowed him to do things that were impossible with the original strain
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
High end Lycans like Lucian can tank silver bullets, as seen in the first movie, which is why the vamps developed the silver nitrate rounds. But that's not really relevant since Blade only carries normal silver rounds, and William isn't very susceptible to them, and Markus as a hybrid, is completely immune to both silver and sunlight.
Well that's not true, Lucian was very susceptible to silver which is why he needed to remove it from his body. Also William has never once shown a resistance to silver. He was subdued by it when he was captured and never encountered it again. He was never stated to have any resistance whatsoever.
As for Marcus being immune to sunlight, didn't he hide from the sun after chasing the trunk? My memory is fuzzy
Originally posted by juggermanFair enough. My main point is that William should be able to tank anything Lucien can and more. That is what I derived from the scene where William was being tripped teamed by Selene, Michael and the soldiers.
I'm not choosin anything really. We never see William(or anyone else besides Lucian for that matter) do it so we cannot assume he can. We also never get an explanation for how he did it(meaning is it something you can do once old enough or is it something you have to train to do). Without either William himself doing it or the reason behind Lucian being able to do it we just can't say William could. Besides if you watch the scene it looked as though Lucian had to focus to pull it off. Not something William would be doing in the middle of the fight if he can focus like that at all1. Nomak would be closer to Lucian imo since they both are mutated versions of the original strain. And since that's the case it would be more likely this ability is a result of that mutation just as Nomak can turn Vampires into Reapers and is immune to silver
2. Nomak was a mutation too and it allowed him to do things that were impossible with the original strain
As for the Nomak comparison my point is that William is clearly not affected the same way as his creations, similar to Nomak.
In reference to Lucien he was more of an evolution of the strain whereas Nomak was more of a scientific experiment. Lucien could tank more than the other lycans but was still affected in the same way. The same things that killed lycans (including Lucien) and werewolves did not kill William, similarly to Nomak and his creations.
My whole point which I believe you agree with is that William was in a tier of his own. He could tank more and was not as susceptible as the other Lycans and werewolves to the weapons that killed them.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Fair enough. My main point is that William should be able to tank anything Lucien can and more. That is what I derived from the scene where William was being tripped teamed by Selene, Michael and the soldiers.As for the Nomak comparison my point is that William is clearly not affected the same way as his creations, similar to Nomak.
In reference to Lucien he was more of an evolution of the strain whereas Nomak was more of a scientific experiment. Lucien could tank more than the other lycans but was still affected in the same way. The same things that killed lycans (including Lucien) and werewolves did not kill William, similarly to Nomak and his creations.
My whole point which I believe you agree with is that William was in a tier of his own. He could tank more and was not as susceptible as the other Lycans and werewolves to the weapons that killed them.
Yes I do agree William is beyond any other werewolf or lycan. I was only pointing out we cannot use Lucian's ability to reject silver for William since there is no explanation behind it. We can rightly assume William is stronger and faster since that has been established in the story(older=stronger and faster)
Well I never got the impression Nomak was different from other Reapers. They all had the same strengths and weaknesses. But now that I think about it, did any other Reaper talk? I can only remember them being pretty primal. You may have a point here
Here is where I do disagree with you. Nomak could be killed just like any other Reaper. Sunlight or silver to the heart were the only ways. Nomak was no different.
Originally posted by juggermanI believe you are right about Nomak in terms of his weakness. He was not different from the other reapers.
Yes I do agree William is beyond any other werewolf or lycan. I was only pointing out we cannot use Lucian's ability to reject silver for William since there is no explanation behind it. We can rightly assume William is stronger and faster since that has been established in the story(older=stronger and faster)Well I never got the impression Nomak was different from other Reapers. They all had the same strengths and weaknesses. But now that I think about it, did any other Reaper talk? I can only remember them being pretty primal. You may have a point here
Here is where I do disagree with you. Nomak could be killed just like any other Reaper. Sunlight or silver to the heart were the only ways. Nomak was no different.
The only difference is that he had full control of his mental abilities as well as his thirst since he had the original strand of the virus.
Either way I believe we both agree Blade and Nomak for the win.