Blade and Nomak vs Marcus and William

Originally posted by Kotor3
I also just watch his first first with Nomak. He also kicks Nomak and sends him flying. I personally think Blade movies have greater combat feats then underworld.

Eh, what about Marcus smashing into that speeding truck and actually moving it via smashing into it? Or pulling that helicopter down by himself?

EDIT: Okay, I see you mentioned "combat" feats, so maybe you meant just fights, but I see no reason why the strength can't be applied to combat. Whether it showed it or not, Marcus can tug down a friggin helicopter, how is he not hitting harder then Blade? If I have a feat of a character who does nothing but lift up a car, are we saying he doesn't have any more punching power then a normal person because his only feat is lifting?

Originally posted by juggerman
Well that's not true, Lucian was very susceptible to silver which is why he needed to remove it from his body. Also William has never once shown a resistance to silver. He was subdued by it when he was captured and never encountered it again. He was never stated to have any resistance whatsoever.

As for Marcus being immune to sunlight, didn't he hide from the sun after chasing the trunk? My memory is fuzzy

Lucian took several silver bullets to the chest and one in the skull, they barely slowed him down. He was very resistant to them. And William wasn't subdued by silver, a horde of vamps contained him with spears and chains. Lycans gain power as they age (no longer reliant on the moon to transform, gaining resistance to silver etc) and being that William is the oldest Lycan, logic would dictate that he'd have a pretty solid resistance.

No he didn't hide, he went to rest after his run in with Selene and Michael. Besides that, Michael is the same thing as Markus and he's seen in the sunlight many times.

Actually, Markus isn't quite the same thing as Michael. Michael is a true 50/50 hybrid while Markus is a (mostly) vampire hybrid. Since we never see Markus in the daylight we can't just assume that he's immune to it just because he's a hybrid. He's got much more vamp in him than Michael does.

Huh? There was no mention of Markus being more vampire. Both Michael and Markus are descendants of Corvinus, and each tasted Lycan and vampire blood, the only reason Markus looked different is because he was a powerful elder.

On top of that, I havent seen Evolution in a while, but I'm almost positive Markus is shown in sunlight

It's stated in the movies website that intake does matter. MarCus being bitten by a bat but only drinking Lycan blood is the difference. He's not a pure 50/50 Hybrid like Michael. Michael was bitten by both species. Is think that makes the difference.

Also I'm pretty sure he can't be in the sunlight. I thought he chase scene where they first encounter him in the car... I thought they escaped because it became light out and he could no longer fly and search for them.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Lucian took several silver bullets to the chest and one in the skull, they barely slowed him down. He was very resistant to them. And William wasn't subdued by silver, a horde of vamps contained him with spears and chains. Lycans gain power as they age (no longer reliant on the moon to transform, gaining resistance to silver etc) and being that William is the oldest Lycan, logic would dictate that he'd have a pretty solid resistance.

No he didn't hide, he went to rest after his run in with Selene and Michael. Besides that, Michael is the same thing as Markus and he's seen in the sunlight many times.

William wasn't a lycan. He was a werewolf. Difference is lycans can change back and forth and have higher brain function. Which means that the advantages lycans gain with age does not translate to their werewolf brethren. And those spears and chains were silver iirc

Marcus was never in sunlight to my knowledge. If he wasn't hiding, why'd didn't he keep chasing them? I'm honestly asking since I remember it that he was hiding but it was a while ago

Markus couldn't fly anymore because he was run over by a truck, and it broke his wings, not because of the daylight.

Edit: I don't see why being bitten, or drinking the blood matters. Michael was a Lycan first, if we go by this logic, then Michael is more Lycan than Vamp. Aside from all this, it's never mentioned anywhere that there's different degrees of hybridization, this is all complete conjecture.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Markus couldn't fly anymore because he was run over by a truck, and it broke his wings, not because of the daylight.

Edit: I don't see why being bitten, or drinking the blood matters. Michael was a Lycan first, if we go by this logic, then Michael is more Lycan than Vamp. Aside from all this, it's never mentioned anywhere that there's different degrees of hybridization, this is all complete conjecture.

Yup I remember that now but he did sleep in a shed away from the sun and didn't resume his travels until night. I'm not convinced he was immune to sun

Michael never transformed tho. It was made clear he had to have both bites before he changed to be a hybrid

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying. Markus obviously didn't transform until he was a hybrid either.

At any rate, I'll just have to watch Evolution again, I'm almost positive Markus was seen in the sunlight, but I haven't seen it for a little while.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I'm not sure I follow what you're saying. Markus obviously didn't transform until he was a hybrid either.

At any rate, I'll just have to watch Evolution again, I'm almost positive Markus was seen in the sunlight, but I haven't seen it for a little while.

Marcus was already a vampire. The bite from the bat transformed him into a vampire. Michael never transformed into a lycan. He was bitten but didn't turn yet. That's why the fake cops injected him with (silver?) in the back of the car because they didn't want him to be a lycan. The transformation never took hold fully until after Selene bit him

and again, Michael was bitten, while MarCus (already a vampire) merely drank Lycan blood. This also added to what Juggs is saying.

Marcus and Michael were both hybrids. The reason they look different is because Michael was a lycan first who then became a hybrid, while Marcus was a vampire first who then became a hybrid. It seems becoming a hybrid brings out more quality of what you originally were. So Marcus, who was bitten by a bat and was a vampire..sprouted wings like a bat. Michael, on the other hand..became something that looks more like a werewolf..but a more humanoid version. It thus allowed him retain the strength of the lycan form without the need to turn into this big clunky animal. Thus, he could retain that strength whilst still being incredibly quick. Not that normal Lycans weren't quick, but just not AS quick. They weren't capable of pulling the "now you see me now you don't" speed.

Originally posted by Surtur
Eh, what about Marcus smashing into that speeding truck and actually moving it via smashing into it? Or pulling that helicopter down by himself?

EDIT: Okay, I see you mentioned "combat" feats, so maybe you meant just fights, but I see no reason why the strength can't be applied to combat. Whether it showed it or not, Marcus can tug down a friggin helicopter, how is he not hitting harder then Blade? If I have a feat of a character who does nothing but lift up a car, are we saying he doesn't have any more punching power then a normal person because his only feat is lifting?

Hey Noobs,

There are 7 types of hybrids.

1. Lycan(dominant)-Vampire Hybrid (Michael)

2. Neutral Hybrid (Sonja's baby)

3. Vampire(dominant)-Lycan Hybrid (Markus)

4. Vampire-Corvinus Hybrid (Selene)

5. Lycan-Corvinus Hybrid (Quint)

6. Tri-Blood (Tri-Lazor) Hybrid (Eve)

7. Gay Hybrid (Quanchi)

All in the wiki. You're welcome.

"Noobs". LOL. I thought that was a term used for someone "new" at something.