Originally posted by RJ 2.0You do realize you blatantly lying isn't debating. Wanna time out Vader force chokes so I can have a laufh at your expense.
Based on Jedi being on a level that wizards cannot attain. No counter for force choke. It works WAY faster than any spell.
Wizards are far greater than any Jedi or with at this point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1) His suit absorbed the blast.
2) Ak kills those it hits.
3) Blaster fire does not.
4) It's not a killing curse.
5) Hell, a little force lightning short circuited Vader and Like walked away from it like a fading headache that passed.
1) Armor absorbing an attack. Makes sense. Has AK bypassed armor before?
2) Uh huh.
3) Blasters don't kill ppl? Certainly new to me. hmmm
4) Well, it's a killing shooty thingy. Certainly better than just cursing ppl. uhuh
5) Electricity shorting out electronics.... Not really game changing logic there....
Originally posted by Nibedicus1) it has bypassed clothes. If you think armor is different than anything covering an individual you have to prove it.
1) Armor absorbing an attack. Makes sense. Has AK bypassed armor before?
2) Uh huh.
3) Blasters don't kill ppl? Certainly new to me. hmmm
4) Well, it's a killing shooty thingy. Certainly better than just cursing ppl. uhuh
5) Electricity shorting out electronics.... Not really game changing logic there....
Originally posted by quanchi112
1) it has bypassed clothes. If you think armor is different than anything covering an individual you have to prove it.
2) K.
3) they can but they don't kill every single time they hit. Did you forgot about Han Solo shooting Vader already ?
4) nah. A kill curse is far better.
1) Armor protects us from attacks. Clothes cover our bodies from being naked and cold. Proof provided. 👆
2) Cool.
3) You're countering Vader deflecting blaster blasts by downplaying blaster blasts by pointing out that Vader deflected them? Congratulations! You just won the Circular Logic award! Speech speech!
4) Tell ye what, you head towards the roughest neighborhood you can find, approach the meanest guy you see and yell curses at him. Then (after your long recovery and some physical therapy) come back and bring your killing shooty thingy (I think they call it "guns" here) and see how well you do then? 🙂 I think this experiment will benefit mankind as we know it!
Originally posted by Nibedicus1) clothes can to but can't absorb a lot of power. This is a magical attack. His armor wasn't built to resist that was it ?
1) Armor protects us from attacks. Clothes cover our bodies from being naked and cold. Proof provided. 👆
2) Cool.
3) You're countering Vader deflecting blaster blasts by downplaying blaster blasts by pointing out that Vader deflected them? Congratulations! You just won the Circular Logic award! Speech speech!
4) Tell ye what, you head towards the roughest neighborhood you can find, approach the meanest guy you see and yell curses at him. Then (after your long recovery and some physical therapy) come back and bring your killing shooty thingy (I think they call it "guns" here) and see how well you do then? 🙂 I think this experiment will benefit mankind as we know it!
2) k.
3) he absorbed them. He proved his suit can absorb a few blasts to the hands but that his reflexes aren't greater than Han's in that scene since Han reacted first.
4) so you want to real world this thread and forget how their powers work.
Originally posted by Impediment
A note to everyone: Quan will say "Based on?" and "Nah. Voldemort wins." for the next 50 pages. We ALL know that Vader wins, but if you wanna keep up the back & forth, then have fun.
See that's something I like to call precog but Quan wants to then say Based on, or prove that that is precog.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1) clothes can to but can't absorb a lot of power. This is a magical attack. His armor wasn't built to resist that was it ?2) k.
3) he absorbed them. He proved his suit can absorb a few blasts to the hands but that his reflexes aren't greater than Han's in that scene since Han reacted first.
4) so you want to real world this thread and forget how their powers work.
1) Well, if you're talking about attacks from mosquitoes and angry babies with gummy teethy bites, I'm sure clothes work great as protection. Thing is, that's not the case here. As both AK and blasters bypass clothing and AK has been deflected by nonliving objects before (centaur statue). Nonliving robot hands have deflected attacks that kill ppl and bypass clothing. While AK has no showings of bypassing defenses that protect ppl from being killed by attacks (armor). In the end, it comes down to who has more proof than the other.
2) Kk
3) We're not talking about reflexes here. We're talking about about Cyborg robot hands> Armor > Clothes. Stay on topic man! And take your circular logic award already! The people here and eager to hear your speech (1000 words min, don't forget to thank everyone who has helped you get to where you are now, email me with cc of your draft speech for approval prior, thank you!)
4) Hey! We're talking about curses vs shooty killy thingies in general in that instance there. Why are you so reluctant to benefit mankind here Quan??? Stop being a sissy and do it! And here I am, thinking you were cool and all. 🙁
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
https://youtu.be/rBRfVbP1cyo this shows voldmelrt using avada kedavra several times without the need of words.
0:18 and 0:29 and 0:56-0:57 and 2:55 3:28
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Blaster shots that also bypass clothes did not bypass Vader's robot hand.Vader's hand > Blaster shots = AK > clothes.
hmm
Makes sense to me.
Well it can be stated that him having blocked them could be tutaminis as tutaminis block blaster fire, lightning, and energy projectiles. While it could also be argued that vader said suit was made to where it blocks energy bolts I find that unlikely and that tutaminis was the actual case. So with that if voldemort were to do that with avada kedavra or a transfiguration spell I don't believe tutaminis is going to help vader as it did in that instance.
Originally posted by Nibedicus1) Nonliving objects not worn by the victims. You made the claim that armor is different. Force lighting got right through it just fine. The same force lightning that didn't kill or even knock out Luke who sustained it over five times as long.
1) Well, if you're talking about attacks from mosquitoes and angry babies with gummy teethy bites, I'm sure clothes work great as protection. Thing is, that's not the case here. As both AK and blasters bypass clothing and AK has been deflected by nonliving objects before (centaur statue). Nonliving robot hands have deflected attacks that kill ppl and bypass clothing. While AK has no showings of bypassing defenses that protect ppl from being killed by attacks (armor). In the end, it comes down to who has more proof than the other.
2) Kk
3) We're not talking about reflexes here. We're talking about about Cyborg robot hands> Armor > Clothes. Stay on topic man! And take your circular logic award already! The people here and eager to hear your speech (1000 words min, don't forget to thank everyone who has helped you get to where you are now, email me with cc of your draft speech for approval prior, thank you!)
4) Hey! We're talking about curses vs shooty killy thingies in general in that instance there. Why are you so reluctant to benefit mankind here Quan??? Stop being a sissy and do it! And here I am, thinking you were cool and all. 🙁
3) I am talking about both. You can close your eyes and pretend that isn't the case but that doesn't change the feat. None of this means anything in regard to a magical attack designed to kill. His suit sustains him. Without the aid of his suit he dies. So while it's more effective against a blast hitting his robotic hands that has zero relevancy with regards to Voldemort's magical attack.
4) you abandoned the fictional universes and went real world. That's a concession.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1) Nonliving objects not worn by the victims. You made the claim that armor is different. Force lighting got right through it just fine. The same force lightning that didn't kill or even knock out Luke who sustained it over five times as long.
2) alright3) I am talking about both. You can close your eyes and pretend that isn't the case but that doesn't change the feat. None of this means anything in regard to a magical attack designed to kill. His suit sustains him. Without the aid of his suit he dies. So while it's more effective against a blast hitting his robotic hands that has zero relevancy with regards to Voldemort's magical attack.
4) you abandoned the fictional universes and went real world. That's a concession.
1) Armor is different. Check the dictionary! uhuh. Lightning bypasses metal. Again, not ground breaking.
2) YaY!
3) Ok, sure I'll take your advice. Lemme close my eyes for a sec..........
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Nope. Still don't remember where we discussed Vader vs Solo reflexes here up until you mentioned it, that is. Trying to pull the debate into a tangent doesn't really help your argument....
So you're going for the Pull into a tangent award here as WELL as the circular logic award??? Now you're just being greedy quan. Tsk. Tsk. And you haven't even submitted your speech yet....
4) Hey! I was trying to help mankind here. You have gotten so selfish ever since you won that award... shee...!
Althought, you sound so sexy when you say "concession". Say it again, please.
Originally posted by Silent Master
What transfiguration spells can Tommy cast without a wand?
Like I said this is taken into consideration considering the circumstances.
Also if they start out in this way, vader won't know to take his wand if that were the case, why didn't he just take Luke's lightsaber, or obi wans. If they start out this way and he attempts to use tutaminis then he's whatever voldemort turns him into.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Like I said this is taken into consideration considering the circumstances.
Also if they start out in this way, vader won't know to take his wand if that were the case, why didn't he just take Luke's lightsaber, or obi wans. If they start out this way and he attempts to use tutaminis then he's whatever voldemort turns him into.
Are you arguing that Vader isn't going to yank his wand away because he doesn't do that all the time?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Like I said this is taken into consideration considering the circumstances.
Also if they start out in this way, vader won't know to take his wand if that were the case, why didn't he just take Luke's lightsaber, or obi wans. If they start out this way and he attempts to use tutaminis then he's whatever voldemort turns him into.
So, you're arguing that Vader won't disarm Tommy because he doesn't use that tactic 100% of the time, yet Tommy will start of with transfiguration despite him not doing so 100% of the time?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Are you arguing that Vader isn't going to yank his wand away because he doesn't do that all the time?
This is more of an FYI type of thing as force users can disarm people but they normally don't yet it would be beneficial. Im also saying as neither have no knowledge of the others powers so right off the back, vader won't know to take his wand.