Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
This is more of an FYI type of thing as force users can disarm people but they normally don't yet it would be beneficial. Im also saying as neither have no knowledge of the others powers so right off the back, vader won't know to take his wand.
And how often have wizards turned ppl into ferrets in combat?
Voldy wouldn't know that the armor would deflect his AK so he wouldn't know to start off with a transfiguration spell.
See where I'm headed here?
Originally posted by Silent Master
So, you're arguing that Vader won't disarm Tommy because he doesn't use that tactic 100% of the time, yet Tommy will start of with transfiguration despite him not doing so 100% of the time?
I didn't say he wouldn't disarm voldemort. I'm just saying he wouldn't do it right off the bat because he doesn't have experience agaisn't people like Tom so he won't know to just take his wand and I didn't say he will start off with transfiguration I said he could use it.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
And how often have wizards turned ppl into ferrets in combat?Voldy wouldn't know that the armor would deflect his AK so he wouldn't know to start off with a transfiguration spell.
See where I'm headed here?
Well why would they have an entire class for it if it wasn't worth anything, also again I didn't say vader couldn't I said he wouldn't do it right on the first move.
It's speculators that avada kedavra wouldn't work on his armor as its apart of vader, and if that's the case you are starting off voldmeort with an unfair disadvantage as if that were the case he's starting off not being able to use a certain spell. So the armor deflecting avada kedavra is speculation.
Yes but it won't do you any good.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I didn't say he wouldn't disarm voldemort. I'm just saying he wouldn't do it right off the bat because he doesn't have experience agaisn't people like Tom so he won't know to just take his wand and I didn't say he will start off with transfiguration I said he could use it.
Anything can happen, but best to debate the likely and not the maybe.
Vader has more instances of disarming an opponent than Voldy does transfiguring them.
As long as we agree that it is more likely for Vader to disarm Voldy than it is for Voldy to start off with a transfiguration spell, we're golden.
Hold up, in the last film doesn't Voldemort, whilst flying, run into a crapload of power lines that electrocute him and stuff, and it doesn't kill him? He just screams out of anger, not pain, and isn't even knocked to the ground. So he does have some durability.
I do like how the OP had to list morals were off. Neither of these people had morals to begin with. Darth Vader at the very end did kill Palpatine, but it was because he was killing his kid, NOT because it was the right thing to do. If Luke wasn't his kid he wouldn't of done a damn thing but watch him die. Even evil people sometimes love their family.
Anyways, I'm not sure why people are acting like Vader has any speed of note. Blaster bolts move slow as hell, that isn't a speed feat that screams "He will get to act before Voldemort". What else do people feel Vader did that suggested any kind of speed? "He was a jedi!" is not enough. Feats. Him and Obi Wan moved slow as hell in their fight. Vader moved slow as hell in every fight.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
And how often have wizards turned ppl into ferrets in combat?Voldy wouldn't know that the armor would deflect his AK so he wouldn't know to start off with a transfiguration spell.
See where I'm headed here?
Why would the armor deflect the AK? Doesn't the AK destroy statues and shit by hitting them? Even if it doesn't do it's insta kill thing, why wouldn't it at least damage the suit?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well why would they have an entire class for it if it wasn't worth anything, also again I didn't say vader couldn't I said he wouldn't do it right on the first move.It's speculators that avada kedavra wouldn't work on his armor as its apart of vader, and if that's the case you are starting off voldmeort with an unfair disadvantage as if that were the case he's starting off not being able to use a certain spell. So the armor deflecting avada kedavra is speculation.
Yes but it won't do you any good.
Wizards don't learn to cast spells in order to fight others. Just because something is not used as much in combat doesn't mean it is useless in day-to-day application and shouldn't be taught. There is a much higher chance for Vader to wrench the wand from Voldy than there is Voldy casting a transfiguration spell.
AK has been blocked by nonliving objects before. Robot hand = nonliving object. AK has never pierced armor as well. So basically, my position has better proof than yours.
Just pointing out the double standards in your logic man.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Anything can happen, but best to debate the likely and not the maybe.Vader has more instances of disarming an opponent than Voldy does transfiguring them.
As long as we agree that it is more likely for Vader to disarm Voldy than it is for Voldy to start off with a transfiguration spell, we're golden.
Yes anything can happen and also due to voldemort said versatility this should be a very interesting match.
Yes he does by 1 I believe becuse as of the rules for this thread vader has only disarmed one person and that was Han.
Yes I agree with that my friend. Also avada kedavra I wouldn't discount it as its also capable of destroying objects as seen in goblet of fire and deathly Hallows part 2. So avada kedavra definitely has the power to kill vader.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're aware that Vader has precog, right? That means he would know to take the wand and even if he didn't have precog Vader is still fast enough to dodge or block spells until he decides to end the fight.
Well I'm currently at a crossroad right now be aisle there are instances where precog could have helped and should have been used but weren't. Also voldmeort has occlumency as well to where he could see what vader is going to do. I wouldn't say he ends the fight or chooses to as Voldmelrt isn't some helpless person even without his wand as he has plenty of power without it.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes anything can happen and also due to voldemort said versatility this should be a very interesting match.Yes he does by 1 I believe becuse as of the rules for this thread vader has only disarmed one person and that was Han.
Yes I agree with that my friend. Also avada kedavra I wouldn't discount it as its also capable of destroying objects as seen in goblet of fire and deathly Hallows part 2. So avada kedavra definitely has the power to kill vader.
Sadly, at this range and with how lethal their attacks are, versatility isn't the factor here. It is who gets the hit the other first with an effective attack.
1 vs 0. If you do the math, Vader has an infinitely higher chance than Voldy.
Please show instances where AK managed to destroy nonliving objects better than a blaster can.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wizards don't learn to cast spells in order to fight others. Just because something is not used as much in combat doesn't mean it is useless in day-to-day application and shouldn't be taught. There is a much higher chance for Vader to wrench the wand from Voldy than there is Voldy casting a transfiguration spell.AK has been blocked by nonliving objects before. Robot hand = nonliving object. AK has never pierced armor as well. So basically, my position has better proof than yours.
Just pointing out the double standards in your logic man.
Chamber of secrets, and goblet of fire, and order of the Phoenix. They have an entire dueling club, moody turns Draco into a ferret in a close to combat situation(not really a combat situation more like a bully thing), and dumbledore turns glass into sand. What's to stop him form using transfiguration if he has the wand. If he has it he can still use them.
Yes it has I agree. Avada kedavra has also destroyed non living physical objects before as well. Robot hand = no living object = being destroyed by avada kedavra as seen in the movies. Has there ever been an instance where voldmeort has had to actually go through armour with that spell. So with that it's not really good to say it can't when there has never been a situation to say it can't.
What double standards am I using. I've agreed that he wouldn't use transfiguration on the first move he would use, avada kedavra or some other type of curse, but most likely avada kedavra and vader wouldn't know about Voldmelrt as they don't have any knowledge of the other.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're aware that occlumency doesn't allow people to read minds, you're thinking of Legilimency and I also hope you're aware that Tommy has never used it to predict an opponents movements.
And vader has never disa,red a lightsaber dueling opponent. Yes you are correct I was thinking legilimency. It allows you to penetrate the mind so you can find out someone's plan by entering their mind.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Sadly, at this range and with how lethal their attacks are, versatility isn't the factor here. It is who gets the hit the other first with an effective attack.1 vs 0. If you do the math, Vader has an infinitely higher chance than Voldy.
Please show instances where AK managed to destroy nonliving objects better than a blaster can.
I'm not disagreeing with you that versatility isn't something vader can't handle because he can but, voldmeort said power shouldn't be just discounted.
Yes 1 is greater than none.However that doesn't detract from the fact that transfiguration can be used, all depends on the situation.
https://youtu.be/rBRfVbP1cyo 0:55 destroyed that fang pretty efficiently and the ground no doubt had a break in it. https://youtu.be/eAHDS5Rn4kg 0:29-0:37. Destroyed the plaster on the wall with tendrils meaning not the strongest form with not so much effort.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Which Tommy has never used during a fight, yet you want him to use it here, while at the same time you seem to have a problem with Vader disarming Tommy, despite it being a tactic that Vader has used before.
Ok you are like a raging bull. You don't think and you don't think and you don't look. I said over and over again that I have no problem with the notion of vader attempting to take his wand. I'm saying that he wouldn't do it right off the back as voldemort wouldn't do transfiguration right off the back as neither doesn't have any knowledge of the other. Voldmeort doesn't know what vaders suit is capable of, and vader doesn't know that voldemort using his wand is his main way to attack. Calm down and read dude.
Never used in a fight shall we remember how dumbledore used the spell to turn the glass into sand. Of course it wasn't Tom but that isn't an impossible spell that only the elder and can do, or some extreme spell that only dumbledore can use. Also what do you think Mcgonagall was using all throughout the battle of hogwarts and PIERTOTUM LOCOMOTER made an entire army. So yes transfiguration can be used.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Since you agree that Vader is fast enough to dodge/block incoming spells and has the ability to disarm Tommy, you should also agree that Vader wins the majority, right?Btw, we were talking about Legilimency when I made the comment about him not using it in a fight.
No not really since Tom has spells that if he does block he will get hurt(reducto, bombarda, bombardoa maxima) however he does have a great deal of resistance however not sure how these will fair agaisn't his armour.
Legilimency yes.