Also people are saying Voldemort wouldn't cast transfiguration spells because he wouldn't know to do so..what about basic knowledge? Wouldn't he be aware he is fighting some cyborg thing?
Also has anyone explained what would happen to his suit if Vader gets hit by the AK? I don't see him not getting blasted back by it and his suit messed up.
Blaster Bolts aren't slow, they're as fast as the AK and are as fast as bullets. Look up tracer rounds, they are as fast as the Blaster Bolts we see in the films. Blaster Bolts have also shown to cross extremely large distances like in Attack of the Clones. So Vader's reaction speed is faster than Voldemort's, meaning he could apply a force attack on Voldy before Voldy does anything.
Originally posted by NibedicusSo lightning can but a spell designed to kill you will be stopped cold just because you say so ?
1) Armor is different. Check the dictionary! uhuh. Lightning bypasses metal. Again, not ground breaking.
2) YaY!
3) Ok, sure I'll take your advice. Lemme close my eyes for a sec..........
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Nope. Still don't remember where we discussed Vader vs Solo reflexes here up until you mentioned it, that is. Trying to pull the debate into a tangent doesn't really help your argument....So you're going for the Pull into a tangent award here as WELL as the circular logic award??? Now you're just being greedy quan. Tsk. Tsk. And you haven't even submitted your speech yet....
4) Hey! I was trying to help mankind here. You have gotten so selfish ever since you won that award... shee...!Althought, you sound so sexy when you say "concession". Say it again, please.
2) K.
3). Vader is slow and suggesting he can react before Voldemort gets trashed when we look at the Han Solo feat.
4). You concede. I accept.
1) You need to prove that the AK interacts in the same way as electricity does with metal and circuitry, not the other way around.
2) J
3) You already got the "tries to take the debate into the tangent" award. No need to overdo it, sir.
4) Ohhh! sexy! 😄 accepting things not offered is kinda a strange habit, tho. Might wanna look into that...
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Chamber of secrets, and goblet of fire, and order of the Phoenix. They have an entire dueling club, moody turns Draco into a ferret in a close to combat situation(not really a combat situation more like a bully thing), and dumbledore turns glass into sand. What's to stop him form using transfiguration if he has the wand. If he has it he can still use them.Yes it has I agree. Avada kedavra has also destroyed non living physical objects before as well. Robot hand = no living object = being destroyed by avada kedavra as seen in the movies. Has there ever been an instance where voldmeort has had to actually go through armour with that spell. So with that it's not really good to say it can't when there has never been a situation to say it can't.
What double standards am I using. I've agreed that he wouldn't use transfiguration on the first move he would use, avada kedavra or some other type of curse, but most likely avada kedavra and vader wouldn't know about Voldmelrt as they don't have any knowledge of the other.
You're not getting it. Magic is taught for more than just combat situations. You implied that transfiguration needs to be necessary in combat for it to be not useless (and implied that it would not be taught if it were useless). I merely countered that, although transfiguration is used very rarely in combat, it is not useless as magic has far more applications in the day-to-day of a wizard than just combat and many schools of magic are taught without combat in mind.
AK needs to prove that it can destroy something that easily deflected blasts that can melt durasteel. You need to provide showings for AK destroying objects in one hit that blasters (particle weapons) cannot even scratch from multiple direct hits. Otherwise, you are committing a no-limits fallacy.
You mentioned that it is rare (and unlikely) for Vader to take away weapons from an opponent (even though he has) but mention (although via a beat-around-the-bush kind of way) that there is a chance for Voldy to turn him into a ferret (although he has never done so). Double standards from where I'm standing. But, of course, you also hide behind the "hey! I never said he WOULD just that it's possible" to avoid getting called on it, but why even mention it (and debate about its effectiveness) if it's not likely to happen?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I'm not disagreeing with you that versatility isn't something vader can't handle because he can but, voldmeort said power shouldn't be just discounted.Yes 1 is greater than none.However that doesn't detract from the fact that transfiguration can be used, all depends on the situation.
https://youtu.be/rBRfVbP1cyo 0:55 destroyed that fang pretty efficiently and the ground no doubt had a break in it. https://youtu.be/eAHDS5Rn4kg 0:29-0:37. Destroyed the plaster on the wall with tendrils meaning not the strongest form with not so much effort.
This isn't about who is more powerful (because I WILL agree that Voldy can perform much more powerful "feats" than movie Vader can for now). This is about the fact that each have more powerful than the other's defense can handle. It comes down to who gets the first effective attack in.
The situation in this case is that they are standing close to each other and with little knowledge of each other will no doubt go to their go-to attacks. Vader chokes, Voldy gasps as he is lifted into the air and is either stunned (like most choked opponents) by the force choke (example Kenobi) long enough to be killed by it or (by a slight chance) be able to shoot an AK bolt which can be deflected by Vader's robot hand even tho it is even possible that it can be stopped entirely by his armor (as you have not provided showings or AK affecting someone in armor).
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You're not getting it. Magic is taught for more than just combat situations. You implied that transfiguration needs to be necessary in combat for it to be not useless (and implied that it would not be taught if it were useless). I merely countered that, although transfiguration is used very rarely in combat, it is not useless as magic has far more applications in the day-to-day of a wizard than just combat and many schools of magic are taught without combat in mind.AK needs to prove that it can destroy something that easily deflected blasts that can melt durasteel. You need to provide showings for AK destroying objects in one hit that blasters (particle weapons) cannot even scratch from multiple direct hits. Otherwise, you are committing a no-limits fallacy.
You mentioned that it is rare (and unlikely) for Vader to take away weapons from an opponent (even though he has) but mention (although via a beat-around-the-bush kind of way) that there is a chance for Voldy to turn him into a ferret (although he has never done so). Double standards from where I'm standing. But, of course, you also hide behind the "hey! I never said he WOULD just that it's possible" to avoid getting called on it, but why even mention it (and debate about its effectiveness) if it's not likely to happen?
Yes it is. While I agree as per the movies it isn't used as much by saying its taught, I'm implying that it has combative uses as we have seen. Yes it is for day to day purposes but it can also be used for combative uses as well.
Well avada kedavra did destroy that basilisk fang in one hit. No it's not on level with vaders suit but still it did. Also your asking me to prove that avada kedavra can get past a lightsaber when a lightsaber doesn't exist in Harry Potter. It's shown it has the ca ability to damage smaller objects, and cause some type of damage to stone objects. Not saying it would do this to vader, just saying some of its feats. Also FYI I'm merely here to clear any confusion about different spells, not really here to debate for the moment.
You are taking my words and twisting them. I'm saying that vader hasn't really showed disarming in a heated battle, however I'm not saying he can't. I'm stating the obvious. He hasn't been shown to, but once, however he still can if he receives an opening. Cold,earth is not limited to any abilities meaning he can use everything he has at his disposal which involves transfiguration. So no I'm not using double standards, you are trying to make it appear that way. You can call me out on it if you wish however it doesn't change the fact that vader can disarm Voldmelrt if he see he needs to and gold,letting can use transfiguration if he needs to. Now again, how am I using double standards.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
This isn't about who is more powerful (because I WILL agree that Voldy can perform much more powerful "feats" than movie Vader can for now). This is about the fact that each have more powerful than the other's defense can handle. It comes down to who gets the first effective attack in.The situation in this case is that they are standing close to each other and with little knowledge of each other will no doubt go to their go-to attacks. Vader chokes, Voldy gasps as he is lifted into the air and is either stunned (like most choked opponents) by the force choke (example Kenobi) long enough to be killed by it or (by a slight chance) be able to shoot an AK bolt which can be deflected by Vader's robot hand even tho it is even possible that it can be stopped entirely by his armor (as you have not provided showings or AK affecting someone in armor).
I can live with that.
Yes that's what I've been saying. They have little knowledge of each other so vader right off the back won't know to take his wand, and Voldmelrt doesn't understand his suit or his lightsaber. Vader can choke voldemort, but that doesn't mean that they have to stay still. Voldemortcan shoot more than just avada kedavra you know. This is where versatility comes into play and also force choke doesn't just kill instantly from what I remember.
Originally posted by Nibedicus1) I have already proven Ak hits those with clothing, etc. on their person. If your claim is Vader's armor is different then the burden is on you.
1) You need to prove that the AK interacts in the same way as electricity does with metal and circuitry, not the other way around.
2) J
3) You already got the "tries to take the debate into the tangent" award. No need to overdo it, sir.
4) Ohhh! sexy! 😄 accepting things not offered is kinda a strange habit, tho. Might wanna look into that...
2) k
3). It's about reflexes.
4) you went real world which is textbook concession talk.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I can live with that.Yes that's what I've been saying. They have little knowledge of each other so vader right off the back won't know to take his wand, and Voldmelrt doesn't understand his suit or his lightsaber. Vader can choke voldemort, but that doesn't mean that they have to stay still. Voldemortcan shoot more than just avada kedavra you know. This is where versatility comes into play and also force choke doesn't just kill instantly from what I remember.
Fair enough.
There is a good chance that the pain will stun him (like it did a seasoned combatant like Obi). Also, oce Voldy (most likely) attempt the AK (which Vader can deflect), Vader will no doubt take away his wand. The only way for your scenario to work is if 1) Voldy is able to fight thru the pain and shoot a bolt before getting KO'd/stunned long enough to be finished off. 2) Vader doesn't take away his wand after getting shot at by it. Possible, but in a 10/10 scenario, I'd say maybe 1 in 10 chance at best.
I will also express my doubts about that the little green blobs he used to destroy the Fang is AK as Harry was blocking similar bolts at the start. I'm not the Potterverse expert but AK is unblockable by Protego isn't it?
Originally posted by quanchi112
1) I have already proven Ak hits those with clothing, etc. on their person. If your claim is Vader's armor is different then the burden is on you.2) k
3). It's about reflexes.
4) you went real world which is textbook concession talk.
1) Blasters go thru clothing. Vader blocks those. You already won the circular debating award. No need to overdo it this time too.
2) Kay
3) Trying to go for the max points for "attempting to take the debate to a tangent" award here aren't we? 😮
4) Hm. Must have been in the Quan-style debating textbook. Sorry, but I never bought the book, bad reviews and such.
Originally posted by Nibedicus1) what does that have to do with an attack that doesn't necessarily even break your skin ? Apples to oranges. Magic.
1) Blasters go thru clothing. Vader blocks those. You already won the circular debating award. No need to overdo it this time too.2) Kay
3) Trying to go for the max points for "attempting to take the debate to a tangent" award here aren't we? 😮
4) Hm. Must have been in the Quan-style debating textbook. Sorry, but I never bought the book, bad reviews and such.
2) roger
3) I see you concede the point.
4) well, it is a best seller.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1) what does that have to do with an attack that doesn't necessarily even break your skin ? Apples to oranges. Magic.2) roger
3) I see you concede the point.
4) well, it is a best seller.
1) Both penetrate clothing. Both can kill. Both are blockable by nonliving objects. Vader has a nonliving hand he can use for blocking. With every property of each attack that has any relevance to the debate, this is a close enough comparison.
2) Stacey.
3) Conceding to a point I never made? Tsk tsk. Is this you trying to create a new award category now? Greedy greedy Quan.
4) Well, if you count Somalia, sure it was a best seller. Tho I heard they were giving out free biscuits and milk with every book, that might have helped a bit. Still reviews were bad so I didn't bother getting it. Sorry bro. 🙁
Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) Both penetrate clothing. Both can kill. Both are blockable by nonliving objects. Vader has a nonliving hand he can use for blocking. With every property of each attack that has any relevance to the debate, this is a close enough comparison.2) Stacey.
3) Conceding to a point I never made? Tsk tsk. Is this you trying to create a new award category now? Greedy greedy Quan.
4) Well, if you count Somalia, sure it was a best seller. Tho I heard they were giving out free biscuits and milk with every book, that might have helped a bit. Still reviews were bad so I didn't bother getting it. Sorry bro. 🙁
1. One tears into flesh and one doesn't. They aren't the same at all. One magically kills the other doesn't. It can kill but it also can wreck the body. Does the Ak wreck the body ?
2. Alrighty then,
3). You don't believe reflexes matter I do.
4) just say Voldemort wins already.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. One tears into flesh and one doesn't. They aren't the same at all. One magically kills the other doesn't. It can kill but it also can wreck the body. Does the Ak wreck the body ?2. Alrighty then,
3). You don't believe reflexes matter I do.
4) just say Voldemort wins already.
1. Both are blockable by physical objects. The said physical object is present that can block. This is as close to a perfect comparison as you can make.
Are you implying that AK will somehow bypass his nonliving robot hand? What exactly is your argument?
2. All lefty then.
3. As we are still in a debate about if the AK can be blocked/deflected by a robot hand? No, reflexes are not relevant at this point, no. 🙂
4. What page of the Quan textbook is this? Is there a pdf I can download for free off the net? I really dont feel like forking the 10 cents for your book man. 🙁
Originally posted by Nibedicus1)not clothing the person. No, it isn't. If you think a magical attack designed to kill is the same as an energy blast then you aren't familiar with magic.
1. Both are blockable by physical objects. The said physical object is present that can block. This is as close to a perfect comparison as you can make.Are you implying that AK will somehow bypass his nonliving robot hand? What exactly is your argument?
2. All lefty then.
3. As we are still in a debate about if the AK can be blocked/deflected by a robot hand? No, reflexes are not relevant at this point, no. 🙂
4. What page of the Quan textbook is this? Is there a pdf I can download for free off the net? I really dont feel like forking the 10 cents for your book man. 🙁
2) play on player.
3) if it's connected to the person he dies as in clothing, etc., if you feel it wouldn't kill him provide proof.
4) do not pirate my wisdom.