Originally posted by Bashar Teg
seemed like you were making a point, not a zinger
That was actually both partially a zinger (to his last comment) and a point on the side, but not blaming the victim at all. Since resisting will likely net you in trouble and you can always file a complaint later after you go peacefully and are released.
This girl was lucky there were cameras around, otherwise Officer Rolls wouldn't have been reprimanded and she'd likely face whatever charges Rolls decided to file for her resisting arrest for whatever she was being arrested for.
The zinger was my "victim / police not wrong" reply.
No worries though.
Originally posted by NemeBroi never said you should.
What would be the benefit towards trying to resist arrest?
My disgust with some of these comments is that they're in the vain of blaming the victim for resisting an unlawful arrest instead of acknowledging how fucced up it is that the person got assaulted and detained in the first place. It doesn't matter that resisting doesn't help, what matters is that you shouldn't be arrested for no goddamn reason.
I can't respect anyone who immediately jumps to "well, you SHOULDN'T have resisted arrest" when the person SHOULDN'T have been arrested in the first place. To me, that mindset speaks to a certain lack of understanding and privilege that you can only have when there's no chance your own rights would be violated in a similar fashion.
Originally posted by marwash22
i never said you should.My disgust with some of these comments is that they're in the vain of blaming the victim for resisting an unlawful arrest instead of acknowledging how fucced up it is that the person got assaulted and detained in the first place.
I can't respect anyone who immediately jumps to "well, you SHOULDN'T have resisted arrest" when the person SHOULDN'T have been arrested in the first place. To me, that mindset speaks to a certain lack of understanding and privilege that you can only have when there's no chance your own rights would be violated in a similar fashion.
It is called being realistic. Don't resist arrest, don't give them a reason no matter how unjustified it is.
You also compared that to telling someone not to resist rape though. Then when someone responded and pointed out that was silly, among other things, you called it white privilege.
Originally posted by marwash22
i never said you should.My disgust with some of these comments is that they're in the vain of blaming the victim for resisting an unlawful arrest instead of acknowledging how fucced up it is that the person got assaulted and detained in the first place. It doesn't matter that resisting doesn't help, what matters is that you shouldn't be arrested for no goddamn reason.
I can't respect anyone who immediately jumps to "well, you SHOULDN'T have resisted arrest" when the person SHOULDN'T have been arrested in the first place. To me, that mindset speaks to a certain lack of understanding and privilege that you can only have when there's no chance your own rights would be violated in a similar fashion.
The only person who has done that is Star428 and he's a known bootstraplicker and racist, so it shouldn't surprise you.
edit: Possibly Vansonbee, but he's a mgtow guy, so again, no real surprise there
Originally posted by marwash22So what you're saying is there's no benefits to resisting arrest, and you're just butthurt that people would point out how stupid rolling around like a crocodile is?
i never said you should.My disgust with some of these comments is that they're in the vain of blaming the victim for resisting an unlawful arrest instead of acknowledging how fucced up it is that the person got assaulted and detained in the first place. It doesn't matter that resisting doesn't help, what matters is that you shouldn't be arrested for no goddamn reason.
I can't respect anyone who immediately jumps to "well, you SHOULDN'T have resisted arrest" when the person SHOULDN'T have been arrested in the first place. To me, that mindset speaks to a certain lack of understanding and privilege that you can only have when there's no chance your own rights would be violated in a similar fashion.
Understandably people are upset at it. But it only escalades the situation when you use splash. I'd prefer people outright swinging at cops to just Magikarping around.
It's just the absolute most useless thing you can do in that situation. The next worse thing is when people go stiff as a board and get hurt because they think they're clever.
Unfortunately there's nothing you can do that gets you out of the situation safely unless you cooperate. Personal pride being hurt is a lot better than reverting to child like tantrums and getting physically hurt.
It happened to my brother when he got arrested. He raised hell and he got slammed on the truck when he has permanent neck problems due to a broken neck and got arrested... because he was driving without a license. So everything commenced as it would except he got hurt and charged and arrested. His dog also almost got killed another time when they threatened to come in and take a girl that was hiding from them at his house. Among other things that have happened.
Cops are pieces of shit, I'm not disputing that. But when you **** with them while they're on duty bad things happen. It's just not smart. The best and safest thing to do is simply comply.
Originally posted by Surturit's not silly, they're both violations, the severity of the abuse that differs in each case isn't what matters, it's the injustice that occurs in both situations that does.
You also compared that to telling someone not to resist rape though. Then when someone responded and pointed out that was silly, among other things, you called it white privilege.
Originally posted by Surtur
It is called being realistic. Don't resist arrest, don't give them a reason no matter how unjustified it is.
*sigh*
man, "don't resist arrest" is really easy to say from the comfort of your couch. It's really easy to tell someone to think logically, but how logically do you expect someone to act when they are being arrested for reasons that they aren't even aware of, for reason that don't fuccin' exist? Oh the cop is having a bad day, so it's my responsibility to understand that he's gonna violate my rights because... he can.
If you can't understand how difficult it would be to restrain yourself in a situation where you're being arrested/persecuted for NO REASON AT ALL, then that's on you, but we don't really need to keep talking because nothing can be gained on my part by conversing with someone who lacks empathy and perspective.
Originally posted by Branlor Swiftyour brother committed a crime. How is that even remotely the same thing as what happened to that girl? She did NOTHING wrong. NOTHING! Your brother resisted arrest even though he knew what his crime was... are you telling me that's comparable to resisting arrest when you did nothing wrong and don't know why you're being arrested?
It happened to my brother when he got arrested. He raised hell and he got slammed on the truck when he has permanent neck problems due to a broken neck and got arrested... because he was driving without a license.
as for the rest of what you wrote, my reply to Surtur is also my reply to you.
Originally posted by Branlor Swifti'll reply to this tho.
So what you're saying is there's no benefits to resisting arrest, and you're just butthurt that people would point out how stupid rolling around like a crocodile is?
no, I'm not butthurt that people would moronically point out the obvious fact that resisting doesn't help, I'm discouraged in the lot of you who immediately jumped to the "don't resist" line of thought, without so much as mentioning how ridiculous it is that a person got arrested for no reason. It tells me a lot about you that your outrage lies with the victim, instead of the root cause of the pointless action of resisting arrest.
Originally posted by Surtur
It is called being realistic. Don't resist arrest, don't give them a reason no matter how unjustified it is.
Exactly. If you think your rights are being violated or that you're being arrested for no reason then what you're supposed to do is address that later not fight with police or refuse to do what they tell you or even try running away. That's how our country works. If u resist arrest then you're only justifying the cops mistreatment of you. Comply and let them take you in. You'll get a lawyer who'll help you out if u think you've been wronged.
Originally posted by marwash22That had no danger of being arrested for. He got mad and he got arrested for something that would have only gotten his truck towed.
your brother committed a crime. How is that even remotely the same thing as what happened to that girl? She did NOTHING wrong. NOTHING! Your brother resisted arrest even though he knew what his crime was... are you telling me that's comparable to resisting arrest when you did nothing wrong and don't know why you're being arrested?
Also way to skip the point in favor of some examples. You blatantly said you don't advocate resisting arrest yet you tried to say you don't respect me because I wouldn't resist. The goalposts are being moved. You even tried to say I was victim blaming and defending the cops. I'm not. All I said is that resisting is the absolute worst thing to do... while acknowledging the whole time the cops are screwed up.
Rape
White
NOTHING, NOTHING WRONG
NATURAL REACTION TO MAH RIGHTS
It's not a natural reaction to flail like a child. It's natural to be pissed off but there's a way to be pissed and not look like you didn't get two toys. Being able to control yourself is something all people should be able to do. Especially since we're taught at an early age how much cops can wreck your shit.
Plus like I said it's pretty ****ing easy to figure out resisting is going to lead to problems when you're getting yelled at.
Though pretty funny how you've danced from me being unrespectable because I have control over myself to heralding panic like it's a commendable thing to do. Maybe you should go back to making rape points and calling me white.
Is resisting arrest dumb? Yes or No
Would you flail around like a child in unlawful arrest? Yes or No
Sorry I don't see childlike tantrums as a respectable act and I think based on all we know of cops that it's a lot better to simply not expend effort struggling.
Originally posted by marwash22Here's the post that started you off
i'll reply to this tho.no, I'm not butthurt that people would moronically point out the obvious fact that resisting doesn't help, I'm discouraged in the lot of you who immediately jumped to the "don't resist" line of thought, without so much as mentioning how ridiculous it is that a person got arrested for no reason. It tells me a lot about you that your outrage lies with the victim, instead of the root cause of the pointless action of resisting arrest.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That cop was just having a bad day. You could tell how pissed off he was. The other cops were all friendly (except when they ****ed up that kid) and he just loses it. Probably because of that roll in the hot sun.That said, I don't know why people resist arrest like that and those two guys are stupid as all shit for coming at him like that. If you're going to resist at least make it so there's a chance you can get away. Not just struggling and screaming when there's multiple cops around.
"Omg she's resisting arrest, let's come at this lunatic cop from behind"
I'm not defending anyone here besides saying the cop was pissed off which was more a joke than anything. I was going to say he probably found his wife cheating on him and he just became Captain Bananas. I'm simply pointing out how dumb resisting arrest is. Which apparently you black knighted into me defending cops which should be obvious by now I'm not.
I just added in something I've seen a lot in these videos and real life. My first actual thought was this cop thinks he's an action hero and I'm pretty sure he's going to kill someone.
Obviously the cop was in the wrong, etc from what I said before. You can't change crooked cops. But with all the cop murders going around you'd think people would realize how stupid it is to resist cops.
Also in the same video you see two black kids get arrested with zero resistance sitting there with no one watching them while the girl flips right out. What unrespectable douchebags right?
My thoughts are not all out in the open on this topic. The only reason this evolved into something is because saying resisting arrest is stupid is tantamount to cop shilling. I just pointed out a pet peeve is all.
Originally posted by marwash22None of it.
a lot of what you just said either doesn't make sense or it's a misrepresentation of my statements, but I'm exhausted with this conversation now and I've made all the points i wanted to make.
Originally posted by marwash22I lack empathy as a whole. Perspective I have. Doesn't mean I care. Doesn't mean I have to. I don't give a shit about anyone involved, but I see the issues here. Still doesn't mean I can't think an act is dumb.
oh, i did say you were a victim of white privilege (i thought you were white), my mistake. Though, if you're not white and still lack the perspective and empathy for those who are often on the wrong end of injustices, then that's even worse, imo. sorry.
And I'm not saying I don't think it's wrong even for the flailers. I've never even implied it. I just haven't covered it because I haven't nor does it matter to what I was saying. I've only ever said resisting arrest is idiotic. That doesn't mean you can place the two together in a mish mash. Just because I think resisting unlawful arrest is stupid, that doesn't also mean I don't think unlawful arrest is a blatant power showing of cool toughness. They're both idiotic, but one happens to be relevant to something that's bugged me recently.
Yes the cop is a massive power abusing anal flake, but flailing around like Magikarp isn't the way to arm yourself against that. The two don't intersect, and one goes without saying while (though you pretend resisting arrest being dumb is so obvious) the other was something that wasn't stated prior to my post.
It's a simple concept that apparently is tough to swallow. I understand it'd be hard for people to stomach, but when the other option is some wicked shit because you reverted to acting like a kid, the choice is pretty clear. You have to actually exert force in a struggle that in no way will ever help for one.