too bad we'll never know just how powerful monica was intended to become. she seemed a planetbuster to me anyway. that said, (1) would be a severe challenge. not sure which duo would take the majority, but sersi's transmutation would be extremely difficult for the pair to counter. she's already frozen an intangible vision, so i would think she could do the same to monica. ik has tons of versatility. likely the eternals would take it, but like i said, hard to say what level monica reached for sure.
they'd beat (2) and (3). (4) would be really fun to see. if thor has the hammer as well, i'd give it to them in a close fight. supes and ww would also be very close. monica would be a tough match up for diana so i might go with bm/spectrum for a slight majority there. and def take them against am/vixen.
weird order....
Leo, I don't think Ikaris holds a candle to Blue Marvel. Intangibility is different than what Monica is. Sersi shouldn't be able to do much. The vision is still composed of molecules no matter how dense he is. Quasar would be hell for Monica I think, but Adam would more than even the odd. Red She Hulk, and the Hulk would be troublesome, and could win. The rest of what you wrote I agree completely with.
Originally posted by leonidasShe was planning on destroying the Ultimate Universe's Earth by hitting it in hard-light form as hard as she could. She hesitated when she saw the innocent children there and was neutralized by City. Maker asked City why she didn't destroy the world.
too bad we'll never know just how powerful monica was intended to become. she seemed a planetbuster to me anyway.
So it was heavily suggested that she was capable of single-handedly destroying the planet.
Originally posted by ODGDoes mean she has more Powa than Hulk!!
She was planning on destroying the Ultimate Universe's Earth by hitting it in hard-light form as hard as she could. She hesitated when she saw the innocent children there and was neutralized by City. Maker asked City why she didn't destroy the world.So it was heavily suggested that she was capable of single-handedly destroying the planet.
Re: Blue Marvel & Monica vs......
Originally posted by byrdgang21
This is not a gauntlet. I'm just curious to see how Yall think Adam & Monica would do against these pairs.1. Ikaris & Sersi
2. Quasar & Captain Marvel (Carol)
3. Hulk & Red She Hulk
4. Lady Thor & Odinson
5. Superman & Wonder Woman
6. Animal Man & Vixen
Imagine what Quasar could do to Monica? Draw all her power into the Q-bands then unleash the mother of all energy blasts directed at BM. Could he even survive that?
Originally posted by Stoic
Leo, I don't think Ikaris holds a candle to Blue Marvel. Intangibility is different than what Monica is. Sersi shouldn't be able to do much. The vision is still composed of molecules no matter how dense he is. Quasar would be hell for Monica I think, but Adam would more than even the odd. Red She Hulk, and the Hulk would be troublesome, and could win. The rest of what you wrote I agree completely with.
i could def see ikaris giving bm a lot of trouble. he's cl100, with quite a variety of abilities.... as for sersi--magic is magic. she's transformed all the avengers into metal and also has control over energy. i don't see why she couldn't pretty easily affect monica's light form via transmutation. i think these 2 def have the feats to take down bm and monica. for a majority? really hard to say imo.
quasar could be a problem, but i figure for that reason bm would take him. she'd beat carol pretty handily imo while bm held the fort with quasar or beat him outright.
Originally posted by riv6672
Depends in if Quasar could draw her in, and if she in turn could manipulate his bands while in there.
The Q-bands are basically instant win vs ANYTHING in the EM spectrum. Quasar's entire series is proof of this. He could easily absorb her in her entirety and unleash the blast against BM. It's not a question of CAN he do this, it's a question of CAN BM survive that blast?
Originally posted by leonidas
i could def see ikaris giving bm a lot of trouble. he's cl100, with quite a variety of abilities.... as for sersi--magic is magic. she's transformed all the avengers into metal and also has control over energy. i don't see why she couldn't pretty easily affect monica's light form via transmutation. i think these 2 def have the feats to take down bm and monica. for a majority? really hard to say imo.quasar could be a problem, but i figure for that reason bm would take him. she'd beat carol pretty handily imo while bm held the fort with quasar or beat him outright.
Sersi isn't a magical being though, she manipulates molecules to a high degree that makes it seem like she is magical. Am I right? You may be thinking of Circe. Ikaris is a cl 100, but more at the low end, while Adam is a high end cl 100. I really don't think that Ikaris would be up to a slug fest with Adam TBH. We saw how Rulk was throwing him around. Adam is superior to Rulk, if we take Rulk's battle with Simon into consideration. Adam would outright destroy Simon. Adam would beat Quasar pretty quickly as well I think.
Originally posted by zopzop
Monica...........manipulate the bands?! No.The Q-bands are basically instant win vs ANYTHING in the EM spectrum. Quasar's entire series is proof of this. He could easily absorb her in her entirety and unleash the blast against BM. It's not a question of CAN he do this, it's a question of CAN BM survive that blast?
No they aren't, it takes him time, and he would have to wrestle against her own control over the EM spectrum, which is considerable. While, I believe that the bands would win, they aren't as powerful as you may be alluding to. After all, they aren't as powerful as the CCR. Carol isn't holding up Adam for even an instant, which would be nearly a one shot for him to be done with her. Quasar would be next. He has rarely if ever been able to contend with high end brute strength. Adam brings that kind of strength to the table.
Originally posted by Stoic
Sersi isn't a magical being though, she manipulates molecules to a high degree that makes it seem like she is magical. Am I right? You may be thinking of Circe. Ikaris is a cl 100, but more at the low end, while Adam is a high end cl 100. I really don't think that Ikaris would be up to a slug fest with Adam TBH. We saw how Rulk was throwing him around. Adam is superior to Rulk, if we take Rulk's battle with Simon into consideration. Adam would outright destroy Simon. Adam would beat Quasar pretty quickly as well I think.No they aren't, it takes him time, and he would have to wrestle against her own control over the EM spectrum, which is considerable. While, I believe that the bands would win, they aren't as powerful as you may be alluding to. After all, they aren't as powerful as the CCR. Carol isn't holding up Adam for even an instant, which would be nearly a one shot for him to be done with her. Quasar would be next. He has rarely if ever been able to contend with high end brute strength. Adam brings that kind of strength to the table.
None of this shows Ikaris being knocked around by Red Hulk in my opinion at least. In fact it looks even to me. Ikaris didn't even finish the fight because he was busy saving the others from the magma.
http://i.imgur.com/T2DTY81.jpg
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Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
None of this shows Ikaris being knocked around by Red Hulk in my opinion at least. In fact it looks even to me. Ikaris didn't even finish the fight because he was busy saving the others from the magma.http://i.imgur.com/T2DTY81.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/H8CCWkA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fTH34HA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mh2F8QF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NDlcJlB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dON7YNp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rTTvtY0.jpg
Red Hulk got the better of that exchange. I have no idea what you were looking at? But like I said, Simon Williams manhandled Red Hulk, and Adam would beat the breaks off of Simon. Ikaris is a cl 100 but at the low end like I stated. Adam is at the high end. It was also stated the Ikaris was below the cl 100 tier in the hand books, but it said the same about Simon. If anything, neither are high end cl 100's.
Originally posted by Stoic
Red Hulk got the better of that exchange. I have no idea what you were looking at? But like I said, Simon Williams manhandled Red Hulk, and Adam would beat the breaks off of Simon. Ikaris is a cl 100 but at the low end like I stated. Adam is at the high end. It was also stated the Ikaris was below the cl 100 tier in the hand books, but it said the same about Simon. If anything, neither are high end cl 100's.
Well like I just said to you, he wasn't being thrown around as you put it. It was a bit more even than Ikaris being thrown around in my opinion is all that I was saying.
I just disagree that he was thrown around.
Originally posted by leonidas
i could def see ikaris giving bm a lot of trouble. he's cl100, with quite a variety of abilities.... as for sersi--magic is magic. she's transformed all the avengers into metal and also has control over energy. i don't see why she couldn't pretty easily affect monica's light form via transmutation. i think these 2 def have the feats to take down bm and monica. for a majority? really hard to say imo.quasar could be a problem, but i figure for that reason bm would take him. she'd beat carol pretty handily imo while bm held the fort with quasar or beat him outright.
I don't see her affecting Monica in light form. I don't see her being able to concentrate on her or keep with her speed in that form. Hell, some of her forms are invisible.
