Blue Marvel & Monica vs......

Started by carver94 pages

@Stoic...

It was the same Red Hulk Wonderman fought. Not Loeb RH and he was not using any absorption.

Red Hulk jumps in to help Cap and Thor.

Thor remembering their last encounter attacks Rulk. A Rulk that isn't fighting back.

How do we know Rulk wasn't fighting back? He tells us.

A pissed Thor attacks him again.

After this beating, Red Hulk is ok and went on to save Earth by destroying a comet.

Wonderman took Rulk out in a couple of panels. Now let's use your logic here that you are trying to throw on us. Is Wonderman more powerful than Thor?

Did the city capture Monica or kill her ?

Originally posted by carver9
@Stoic...

It was the same Red Hulk Wonderman fought. Not Loeb RH and he was not using any absorption.

Red Hulk jumps in to help Cap and Thor.

Thor remembering their last encounter attacks Rulk. A Rulk that isn't fighting back.

How do we know Rulk wasn't fighting back? He tells us.

A pissed Thor attacks him again.

After this beating, Red Hulk is ok and went on to save Earth by destroying a comet.

Wonderman took Rulk out in a couple of panels. Now let's use your logic here that you are trying to throw on us. Is Wonderman more powerful than Thor?

That scan came around the time that Rulk was still riding off of the Loeb force though. It's not at all within the time period that Wonder man beat him, or when he fought against Ikaris. You're trying be be sneaky, but I know the time periods of Rulk's decline. He had not yet begun his descent into mediocrity at that point in time Carver.

Thor pretty much one shotted Worthy Thing, and the Thing nearly killed Rulk. Let's not get away from the point that pissed me off in the first place. You said that Namor was nothing to Ikaris, so unless Ikaris got a major spike power, I don't recall him rivaling Thanos in power. Maybe I should have just asked. If Namor punched Ikaris in his face, would he no sell the punch? Yes or No will suffice. If not then Namor is more than just nothing to Ikaris.

We can also go the comparative route on in a slightly different direction. Thor vs Pagan. I remember you saying that Pagan wasn't a mega brick, but if that was the case, why wasn't Thor able to put him down? I'm not saying that Pagan beats Thor, I'm just saying that i never saw Thor with the hammer beat Pagan. Blue Marvel beat Pagan though. So if Thor was unable to beat Pagan, how in the world is Namor going to give Blue Marvel the fight of his life?

Let's talk about lifting. How many Hydrobase's do you think would fit in a state? Blue marvel was flying around with a state sized comet, and he was doing it with ease. So we know that a state sized object isn't anywhere close to is max strength if he was carrying it around with ease right? If we look at it under that light, Blue Marvel may be stronger than the Savage Hulk was during the first Secret Wars when he was only able to brace that mountain. But let's not get away from the subject. How is Namor nothing to Ikaris? Please explain what you meant by that, because you may not have used your words properly.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Trust me I don't believe he did fight Thor. I downloaded every comic Ikaris ever appeared in and he never fought Thor. Spoke to him a few times yeah, but never did they fight.

Again I didn't state anything out of the ordinary. It did have something to say that Namor was Ikaris's better. The respect thread has it there for you to see. I can't really explain it any better.

The battle in question.

You're talking to me about how Carver phrased it not me. I didn't say he was nothing to Namor. I expect Carver meant he was more powerful than Namor (which he is as it is stated) rather than it being like either me or you facing off an ant.

Well that is what got me on Carver's case in the first place. You should have really read what i was saying to him, instead of jumping in. I may have been wrong about Thor vs Ikaris, I really thought that they had a brief scuffle back in the day, and Thor was able to pretty much over power him on every level. Matter of fact, the more I think about it, the more that I am certain that they did have a brief scuffle. I'll have to ask Rage if he recalls a time, or the time that I am referring to. Carver's whole thing seemed to me to be him defending a gamma mutate once again. Then he goes on to state that Namor was nothing to Ikaris based on one showing from the perspective of one idiot writer. Again if Namor is nothing to Ikaris, he would be greater than Thanos. If this is what you think, or anyone thinks let's hear it. Carver already dug that hole for himself, and is currently in the process of trying to move the goal posts. Would you like to join him on that field?

it's funny. i'd thought thor and ikaris had squared off as well, but i couldn't find any battles when i went back to look...weird.

Can someone post the wonder man vs Rulk scans?

Originally posted by leonidas
it's funny. i'd thought thor and ikaris had squared off as well, but i couldn't find any battles when i went back to look...weird.

I think people are confusing the Thor/Forgotten One fight which had Ikaris doing stuff in the background.

Originally posted by Supermex
Can someone post the wonder man vs Rulk scans?

Nothing to see really, Rulk punched Simon twice. Then Simon choked him out. The End.

Stupidly low showing for Rulk and incredibly high showing for Simon (who in a later showing was getting worked over by Venom).

Originally posted by Supermex
Can someone post the wonder man vs Rulk scans?

Here you go.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Here you go.

Thank you, Angry🙂

Damn WM man-Handled Rulk big time!

@Stoic...

You're not making sense. It's the same Rulk that fought Wonderman. The time period doesn't matter...at all. Sounds like excuses to me. How about this, Rulk withstood an attack from the Phoenix Force...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13204090/20.jpg.html

How do we know he was ok?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461283/Avengers_VS-Zone-007.jpg.html

That wasn't the only hit he endured either. He was hit twice during this scene by Phoenix empowered Emma. Now again, does this make Wonderman>>>>The Phoenix Force?

Your logic man.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's funny. i'd thought thor and ikaris had squared off as well, but i couldn't find any battles when i went back to look...weird.

Yes that's what I was saying. I checked as well, but found nothing.

Originally posted by zopzop
I think people are confusing the Thor/Forgotten One fight which had Ikaris doing stuff in the background.

You and Scott may be right, I just could have sworn that they had a small scuffle. I also think that it may have been part of the story that Thor fought the Forgotten One in. It was so long ago.

Originally posted by carver9
@Stoic...

You're not making sense. It's the same Rulk that fought Wonderman. The time period doesn't matter...at all. Sounds like excuses to me. How about this, Rulk withstood an attack from the Phoenix Force...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13204090/20.jpg.html

How do we know he was ok?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13461283/Avengers_VS-Zone-007.jpg.html

That wasn't the only hit he endured either. He was hit twice during this scene by Phoenix empowered Emma. Now again, does this make Wonderman>>>>The Phoenix Force?

Your logic man.

Yes it does because Marvel only officially nerfed Rulk after the Omegex battle. This happened well before his battle with both Ikaris, and Simon. Maybe that was something that you forgot about? However it still does not make Namor nothing to Ikaris. Ikaris would have to be operating at above trans level to make Namor insignificant. I don't fully blame you because there are writers that refuse to adhere to continuity, and I never read anything about Ikaris undergoing a sharp power spike. I know that there was hyped up forethought that went into the battle that they had in the Invaders, but i would hardly call that a one on one battle, nor were the other Invaders remotely as powerful as Ike and Namor.

My logic. Rulk was pretty much turned into the whipping boy. i'm not the only person that said this. Ths is also not about Rulk, but more about your statement about namor vs Ikaris, and Namor being nothing to him. Let's keep on track, and stop with the deceptions. No one is stupid Carver.

You are the one that used Rulk as an example. Also, to anyone that thinks Rulk sucked at one point, what are they basing this off of?

Namor couldn't scratch Ikaris...a holding back Ikaris. That speaks volumes. And he was teamed with peeps and they still couldn't slow him down.

Let's see where Rulk fits into all of this. He fought Ikaris, and looked to be dominant to me at the end of their exchange. It looked like he could have pounded Ike's head in at the end when he said eat magma.

What are people basing their poor opinion of Rulk on? Well let's see; He goes from tea-bagging Uatu, beating Thor to the point that he could have killed him at the end of their battle, beating the Hulk up on a regular basis, dominating half of the most popular females in Marvel combined, to being beaten up by Thor, embarrassed by Wonder Man, nearly killed by Worthy Thing (who in turn was one shot by Thor). Should I continue? If not why ask?

You're doing it again. You're acting doltish, and expecting other people not to notice the agenda that you're trying to set up. Who on the Invaders were actually even able to compete power-wise with either Namor or Ikaris. They were non factors. How is it that i have to even explain that to you? Thanos was busted open by Namor, and you're telling me that if Namor fought Ikaris that he wouldn't even be able to scratch him? You're basing this off of one showing? Namor has showings against guys that would beat the mess out of Ikaris... The Mess!

Ikaris has absolutely zero showings of taking on a team of guys like Sentry, Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, and Iron man, but suddenly he is going to be a challenge to a guy that does? Blue Marvel would beat the shit out of Ikaris based on his average. but we should go by the one showing of Ikaris right?

Lol @ me basing something off of one showing. Really? Did you really just say that.

Mjlonir plunged through Worthy Thing and it was a sucker shot. Let's not pretend like Thing was slaughtered in a straight up fight. The only thing you really got is Wonderman and that's one of Rulk lowest showings.

Lol...Namor and Ikaris already fought and Namor couldn't even scratch his skin. Don't take that up with me, speak to Marvel. It happened...let's move on.

Even Iron Man has defeated Monica twice by absorbing her into his armor, twice.

Quasar would stomp her.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@basilisk:
Only version of Animal Man/Vixen that can have a go are pre-DCnU, when he was channeling Sun-Eaters and she was copying powers and skills from anyone and everyone - and stacking them.
Interesting. Those versions sound like they could actually win.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even Iron Man has defeated Monica twice by absorbing her into his armor, twice.

Quasar would stomp her.

Agreed. The Q-bands are just on another level.

they are, and they would be a big problem, no doubt. but monica had a significant power up just before sw, so i'm not sure it would as easy as it may have been at one time....

Originally posted by basilisk
Interesting. Those versions sound like they could actually win.

Agreed. The Q-bands are just on another level.

Animal Man:

Vixen:
http://i28.tinypic.com/w8omu0.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/2aifpc8.jpg

And stacking:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11112/111122629/3597763-9575142933-21454.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Animal Man:

Vixen:
http://i28.tinypic.com/w8omu0.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/2aifpc8.jpg

And stacking:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11112/111122629/3597763-9575142933-21454.jpg

Ah, I remember that JLA storyline now. The Animal Man was interesting too, I haven't seen a lot of him. Yeah, that pairing could be dangerous even to BM and Monica.