[QUOTE]Originally posted by justinday15
[B]I thought it was Qui Gon cause the tall dude on Kamino said masters sifo dias's clones are ready, and Obi Wan told him that master sifo dias was killed almost ten years ago. And Qui Gon was killed ten years ago.
I think you could be right because dooku said to obi wan when he was being held prisoner that Qui Gon knew the truth about the chancellor and knew it would lead to war. So he could have erased the kamino files to prevent any one else knowing about it until the right time.
. thought it was Qui Gon cause the tall dude on Kamino said masters sifo dias's clones are ready, and Obi Wan told him that master sifo dias was killed almost ten years ago. And Qui Gon was killed ten years agoSo if both were killed 10 years ago big deal.
think you could be right because dooku said to obi wan when he was being held prisoner that Qui Gon knew the truth about the chancellor and knew it would lead to war.No he didnt, Dooku said if Qui Gon had learned the truth like he had
count dooku ordered the clone troopers. super size, by the looks of it. the kamino cloners said that syfo dias ordered them, but it was dooku using syfo dias's name. dooku is also lord tyrranus, the man who picked jango fett as the template for the clone soldiers. count dooku>syfo dias> lord tyrranus.
Who is Sifo-Dyas?
Here's my thoughts:
1) We know that two Force induced characters died ten years ago -
Qui-Gon and Darth Maul.
2) We all know obviously that the Clonetroopers become Stormtroopers
so we all also know that the Republic also becomes the Empire.
Therefore the Seperatists become the Rebel Alliance.
3) Is Dooku really good or evil?
a) Why did he tell Obi-Wan that a Sith was in control of the council?
b) Why did he wish Qui-Gon was alive to help him?
c) Why did he try to secure Obi-Wan's release?
d) If he ordered the clones, why was he surprised when they showed
up, unless he didn't expect them to be used against him? Jango
Obviously wasn't surprised - he knew about them and had no
reaction and had no problems with killing them.
e) My personal assumption is that Dooku is working undercover - in
TFM, the Jedi feared the return of the Sith as they hadn't been
around for some time. So when they suddenly reappear, maybe
they send Dooku out to flush the Sith out. Everything in AOTC
might have been set up, up to a point and they didn't anticipate on
Obi-Wan or Anakin to be in the mess.
f) If Dooku is really evil then it can only be surmised that he was
instructed by Palpatine as Sidious to cause enough trouble in other
worlds to make the creation of the Army of the Republic necessary.
4) Curiously Mace and Yoda agree that Dooku can't be a terrorist, as he
was a Jedi and it simply couldn't be in him, so at this point, a Jedi
turning to the dark side is unheard of, unless they just say this to hide
the fact that some Jedi got tired of their idealistic ways and turned to
the dark side, but not since the great Sith War. (they said how many
years it had been in TPM)
We seem to all agree that Sifo-Dyas is someone we already know.
1) Palpatine 2) Qui-Gon 3) Dooku 4) Darth Maul
These seem to be the favorites. This and whether or not Dooku is really working for Palpatine or if he is undercover himself to flush out the Sith are the two big questions...
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Re: Who is Sifo-Dyas?
my answers to your thoughts:
Dooku: he said so to confuse OB1, quite easy, confuse him, perhaps even get him dark and get a new ally with that
He mentioned QG because that was OB1's master and with mentioning that QG would follow him, he hoped OB1 would do that too. He never wanted to secure his release, he said that to convince OB1 to join him.
yeah, he knew, cause his instructions were clear:
"I have good news for you m'lord... the war has begun."
-"Excellent, you have done well, lord tyrannus"
How can the jedi ever "flush out" the sith if they still don't know if they killed the master or the apprentice, let alone stand that they know where they're hiding? there are only two! well, one at that time, left.
Actually, Yoda never said anything about him not being a terrorist...it was Ki-Adi and Mace.
"He's a political idealist, not a murder."
-"You do know that count dooku was once one of us, he couldn't murder anyone, it's not in his character."
I just find it hard to believe that Dooku is cut and dry the apprentice of Palpatine/Darth Sidious...there's something more to him.
Maybe did say it to confuse Obi-Wan, but letting the cat out of the bag like that, I don't know I think GL has something up his sleeve that he thinks nobody will figure out.
I'm sure nobody ever expected Anakin to be the creator/rebuilder of C3PO so his crazy mind could come up with something else that doesn't make sense...but Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, and Yoda definitely know who Sifo-Dyas is. We just don't know yet. They also know there is a Sith running around, and as you've said they don't know if it was the Master or the Apprentice, either way they know there's someone out there. Maybe someone on the Jedi council sent Dooku to try and find him or Dooku decided to do that on his own as he thought it stupid if they didn't try to track down the Sith...so he left.
why does it have to be more complicated than Dooku (who hired the clone source, thus standing to reason that whole job was entrusted to him since I doubt the Sith like using anyone BUT Sith for such important work) simply used an alias? I see it mentioned but people keep trying to make it something more. it was a fake ID. its all he needed. They probably just picked (and/or Killed) Dyas because it would throw the Jedi for a loop. And I don't even think its that complicated. I think Dooku just said a name. Dex pointed out the Kaminoans care a lot about money, you think if Dooku gave the however many millions it takes to buy an army that size, they're gonna check his F***in' ID? No. I really don't think this needs to be more complicated than that, and I don't see any valid reasonin to suggest its more than that. Dooku hires Jango, takes Jango to Kamino, Jango's getting paid enough (and is professional enough) not to ask questions, the kaminoans think they're building it for a Jedi and they're also well paid so they aren't asking questions. and i really think thats all there is to it. its all there, in the films, even without citing EU you could prove this. You just have to take a step back, "unlearn what you have learned" and you'll see it there plain as day, like a road map.
If it was a fake ID then still the name Sifo-Dyas has to have been someone significant. The name definitely means something to Yoda and Windu. If Lucas just put that in there to throw us off it's as silly as those old shows where you see two villians talking about thier plans and one suddenly says "I already know the plan you idiot!" and the other one responds "I'm not telling you, i'm telling them..." (pointing at the screen). I don't think Lucas is that far gone yet...I can agree on the fake ID thing and that nobody involved (Jango or the Geonosians) would ask questions.
Still leaves one to wonder, are the Clonetroopers designed/programmed to obey anyone in particular? The Jedi seem to be commanding them at this point so at some point Palpatine does...possibly after Anakin kills all the remaining Jedi.
Possibly the Clone Wars cartoon will reveal something, since the second season is coming out next spring, the cartoon might simply be filler material for between Ep2 and Ep3...
No, Syfo Dyas doesn't have to be anything special. they could have picked anybody not on the council and no one would notice or care. It could the a SW version of Jon Doe, it doesn't matter, and it doesn't effect the overall plot other than it allowed the Sith to create a clone army to back up they're power once they siezed it. Lucas isn't trying to throw us off, hes trying to throw his characters off, I don't think he's hidden anything from the active viewer that pays attention.
The Clonetroopers are (for certain) programed to listen to the Jedi...but it is rumored that another commander supercedes they're rank....and not Anakin
and as for the cartoons purpose: definetly.