Who ordered construction of clone troops?

Started by SciFiGuy10 pages

It will be interesting to see where the cartoon ends things.
It's also neat to know finally what the Stormtroopers look like under their helmets. I used to think they were robots like the Cylons when I was a kid.

Before that whole thing about clone troopers becoming stormtroopers, you didnt realy need to know what they looked under their maks since they were sought out to be normal humans in suits. I know what you mean though since they are a kind of mysterious and unrevealing bunch.
But I dont like the idea of them being clones especialy sine EU tells otherwise.

i think dooku killed master syfo dias and assumed his identity, then ordered the clone troopers.

but then he would have to kill him without a sabre I think, otherwise if he did, and Syfo ordered the clones when they found his body with sabre-holes, they would know the sith is behind it

does it matter? he's dead. we're supposed to have it explained in 3 anyway. Lucas says in the II commentary, by the end of three "you will know who ordered the clones".

Rogue Jedi-I completely agree.

he could have disposed of the body.

I think we can assume, without question, that Palpatine ordered the clones. He is the only one who would have anything to gain by plunging the galaxy into war, as it is only during war that he could take absolute control.

The theory that Sifo-Dias is Palpatine is an interesting one, but one that I think ultimately won't pan out. It's a bit too complex to explain with all of the OTHER stuff that's gotta happen in Episode III.

Here's my personal theory: Palpatine revealed himself to Syfo-Dias (I'm going to the other spelling now.) and told him his "plan" to use the seperatists to destroy the Jedi and the Republic. After this, he made it seem that Dias defeated him and fled. Dias, thinking that the republic would need something more powerful than the Jedi to overcome Sidious, commissioned the Clone Army. As soon as he was finished, Palpatine and either Maul or Dooku, depending on when this took place, killed him, making it look as if it was NOT caused by a Sith. Then they simply had to send Jango along and erase Camino from the archives. (Which means it was most likely Dooku.)

Of course, this would ALSO mean that Sidious planned to have Obi-wan find Camino, which would mean that he put him on the mission of protecting Padme KNOWING he would stop Zam, and told Jango to use a caminoan saber dart. Whew. Now THAT'S a plan worthy of a Sith Lord.

It seems almost certain that is why Jango used the Dart- there seems no other logical reason for it.

But did Obi-Wan find it too fast? Jango seemed unpleased to see him. You might think Jango was MEANT to lead Obi-Wan to Geonosis- but Jango's attempt to kill Obi-Wan on ground and in space seemed genuine to me.

I think the plasn went a little wrong0 so Dooku had to fight his way out- but other than that went as Sidious planned.

Well, perhaps Jango was meant to lead Obi-wan to Geonosis, but Sidious didn't inform Jango of this fact. Either that, or Sidious just planned to have the republic and the separatists fight at some point, and got lucky on Geonosis.

I cant see dooku being Syfo-Dias as dooku looks very surprised at the arrival of the troops and as no idea where these troops came from. I don’t think Palpatine did it because he never does anything for himself, he always gets people to do things for him rather than do them himself so it cant be traced back to him, the qui-gon theory sounds a bit far fetched it is a lot more likely to have been darth maul assuming the Syfo-Dias name rather than qui-gon . But the most sensible theory that Syfo-Dias is Syfo-Dias and was working for Palpatine before he died (or killed).
Regards godfather

Vengence GOD-How did you figure that one out? that palpatine ordered the clones? Hope you didn't loose any sleep over that one. DUH! The only question there is was it him PERSONALLY or was it Dooku. But we all know who technically ordered them.

Godfather- HE'S ACTING, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SEPARATIST LEADERS so that they don't know he's leading them off a cliff so to speak. How could he be surprised when HE'S the one who hired Jango and just happens to be working for the Sith Lord who we know is scamming the whole galaxy. Here's an offer you shouldn't refuse, watch the movie again and pay attention 😉

Why is this so hard for some people to understand? its all there. its all in episode 2. its barely even hidden. Once you know Dooku is Tyranous (which most of us heard before we saw it anyway, be it from spoilers or hasbro's poor choice in releasing a deluxe Dooku call Darth Tyranous) and watch the movie again, its really obvious who did what and why. Not to mention we know where all of this stuff ends up so with that info and whats in 2, just connect the dots people. Its really not this complicated. Dias was working for Palpatine? Commisioned an army to defend the Republic instead of going straight to the council like any normal Jedi, especially since they all heard about Maul no doubt. IT. IS. NOT. THIS. DIFFICULT.

CALM. DOWN. lol. You've taken the obvious route. I chose to take a more complicated one. That doesn't make either one of us right. We'll have to wait and see until Episode III.

actually we know from the movie dat Dooku is Darth Tyranus...

"Welcome home, lord Tyranus"

That's what mephisto said yerssot. "Once you know Dooku is Tyranus..." 😉

he didn't mentioned the movie

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
(which most of us heard before we saw it anyway, be it from spoilers or hasbro's poor choice in releasing a deluxe Dooku call Darth Tyranous)

"Once you know Dooku is Tyranus..." that meant the movie.

"which most of us heard before we saw it anyway, be it from spoilers or hasbro's poor choice in releasing a deluxe Dooku call Darth Tyranous."

that was just a sarcastic comment of the way hasbro revealed that Dooku is Tyranus, the sith lord, which should of been revealed in the film.

juuuuust pointing out 😛

no problem, I like to contradict people too. 😉

Dirty Vader-THANKS!
Yerrsot- Yeah, when I said in parenthesis, even though most of us knew before, that meant before the movie told us. thats why that comment was separated from the rest of the sentence.
Vengence- True. I'm just getting sick of some of these crazy theories when the answer is in the film. You're not right. True. I'm not trying to be right, I'm saying whats already there on film when you pay attention. There is no right or wrong when the answer is already there. Sifo Dyas was nothing more than a Jedi name Dooku used. I don't even think it was meant to throw off the Jedi. But that's irrelevant. Dooku would just need to give the Kaminoans a name. It was probably a dead jedi just so the Kaminoans couldn't ever get in contact with him should they need to, even though they wouldn't since they implied they were waiting for his return. Dooku just picked a name. it doesn't need to mean anything. i don't care if we ever hear who Dyas was. he's trivial. it was just so we knew for sure the Sith did it and not the Jedi.

Yeah, your theory is the simplist and probably the one that will turn out to be true. I just like to give Sidious a lot of credit. 🙂