Wrath II vs. Meetra Surik (Kotor II)

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Wrath II vs. Meetra Surik (Kotor II)

Battle takes place on neutral ground

Who wins?

Either way.

Meetra.

Wrath.

Very interesting matchup, I'm thinking Wrath takes this from his history of taking serious punishment and being able to get up-close and personal real fast, while Surik is very well rounded in saber combat, I feel that Wrath has her outclassed just in the slightest.

Surik took down a far more durable opponent repeatedly whilst having her Force powers and willpower all but made non-existent.

The Exile has precognition of the highest tier and combat speed that the Wrath can't match. Taking down two elite Imperial Guards (in direct vicinity to the Emperor) in two or three seconds is extremely impressive. The Hero of Tython hasn't dispatched regular Imperial Guards with such ease and speed, nevermind hand-picked Guardsmen. Obviously whilst diminished by Dromund Kaas which makes this yet further impressive.

The Exile's power is evident in that immediately following her death she was capable of feeding Force energy to Revan sufficient enough that he could hold off the combined telepathic powers of the Emperor and the Dread Masters for three centuries, something which is stated he would have been unable to do without her power as a source.

Do not underestimate the Exile's powers and abilities just because of one severely skewed engagement.

I'm giving this one to the Exile.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The Exile's power is evident in that immediately following her death she was capable of feeding Force energy to Revan sufficient enough that he could hold off the combined telepathic powers of the Emperor and the Dread Masters for three centuries, something which is stated he would have been unable to do without her power as a source.

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The Wrath wins this.

"As the Emperor fed off him, Meetra was allowing Revan to feed off her. Her sustenance strengthened his resolve whenever he grew weak, refreshing and restoring him so he could continue his never-ending mental war.

Because of her, Revan was able to do more than just fight to keep the Emperor at bay."

-Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

Say again?

Revan fed off Meetra to counter Vitiate's Force Drain, thus allowing him to function close to full power in the mental war. 👆

She never contributed directly to the mental war itself - she merely made it an even (or close to even) playing field by countering drain.

I see the point evaded you, Meetra Surik's spirit was strong enough to maintain Revan's powers, in a counter to that of the combined attempts of the Emperor and the DMs over three centuries.

Nit-pick however you please, this is extremely impressive regardless and is certainly a greater indication of power than we've seen from the Empire's Wrath so far.

It's a massive difference though, lol. Also, nothing says the Dread Masters contributed to the draining of Revan. 👇
Revan only told us that they were apart of the mental war. I can't picture Vitiate sharing his best meal with other Sith Lords, lol.

Whichever way you like to put it, it's extremely impressive and highly indicative of her strength in the Force regardless.

Perhaps her Force-reserves, but even then I'm not sure how that sort of feat translates to the physical body.

That being said, the feat isn't combat applicable regardless, lol.

Because most if not almost all other Jedi spirits have shown nowhere near that strength and presence. Combat applications were not exactly my point regarding that feat, merely that Surik is alot more powerful than people give her credit for. Her SWTOR: Revan incarnation was canonically stronger than Darth Traya.

The Wrath blitzes the shit out of Meetra.

What speed feats does the Wrath have that even come close to blitzing someone who can blitz amped elite Imp Guards and react in half a second, not to mention has the highest tier Precognition.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Surik took down a far more durable opponent repeatedly whilst having her Force powers and willpower all but made non-existent.

A massive exaggeration. Sion is well below the Wrath, he could easily replicate that fight. He did repeatedly defeat Nomen Karr

Originally posted by AncientPower
The Exile has precognition of the highest tier and combat speed that the Wrath can't match. Taking down two elite Imperial Guards (in direct vicinity to the Emperor) in two or three seconds is extremely impressive. The Hero of Tython hasn't dispatched regular Imperial Guards with such ease and speed, nevermind hand-picked Guardsmen. Obviously whilst diminished by Dromund Kaas which makes this yet further impressive.

The Hero of Tython defeated the Emperor. 🙄

And that's not all that impressive. The Wrath has blitzed Jedi and shown himself to be very quick indeed.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The Exile's power is evident in that immediately following her death she was capable of feeding Force energy to Revan sufficient enough that he could hold off the combined telepathic powers of the Emperor and the Dread Masters for three centuries, something which is stated he would have been unable to do without her power as a source.

Eh.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Do not underestimate the Exile's powers and abilities just because of one severely skewed engagement.

Don't underestimate the Wrath either. His defeat of Sel Makor is just as impressive as defeating Traya.

I rank the Exile higher than most, but nowhere it is stated or implied her willpower was made next to non-existent during her run in the Trayus Academy. Her willpower was sufficient to keep on going all the way up to Traya, and actually fight and kill Traya, an act which the latter expected would break the Exile. Surik's willpower was very intact in that instance - the nexus did hinder her abilities significantly, though.

@Neph - Nomen Karr hasn't done anything to put himself on the same level as Sion.

Originally posted by Nephthys
A massive exaggeration. Sion is well below the Wrath, he could easily replicate that fight. He did repeatedly defeat Nomen Karr

Sion is a jedi killer of four decades experience, he killed Lonna Vash, a powerful Jedi High Council member and was one of Exar Kun's converts, all of shom are Force prodigies and the best of their generation, he is an acclaimed Sith Warrior at that. Nomen Karr has one feat and that is getting killed by Act 1 Wrath.

Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]The Hero of Tython defeated an extremely weakened Voice of the Emperor. 🙄

Corrected.

Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]And that's not all that impressive. The Wrath has blitzed Jedi and shown himself to be very quick indeed.

The most elite handful of Imperial Guardsmen in the Empire empowered by the Sith Emperor is far above no-name featless Jedi.

Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]Don't underestimate the Wrath either. His defeat of Sel Makor is just as impressive as defeating Traya.

Defeating Sel Makor is definitely not as impressive as defeating a legion of the most elite Sith in the galaxy, followed by Darth Sion and then Darth Traya single-handedly whilst feeling like this:

"To walk on its surface is to feel it crushing every cell of your being. It is like being buried alive until it feels like you may never breathe again..."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Not to mention being mentally haunted by the screams and ghosts of MalachorV whilst fighting on-top of a geyser of Dark Side energy.