Beniboybling
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Originally posted by Nephthys
Also that's the end of the fight, at the start Vitiate freely walks up to the Hero's lightsaber without fear.
Which proves nothing, considering it was that very blade that killed him.
All it proves is he is overconfident, that's a weakness not a strength.
We should also account for the fact it was a Voice, apparently, not his true body. Which might explain his confidence. I raise this because it was the threat of an adversary getting close to him i.e. Revan, that caused him to create the voices in the first place.
I doubt if it were a real body he'd be so cocky.
Originally posted by Sinious
First of all, Vitiate's been in more than 2 fights buddy. He faced lots of Jedi though under what circumstances we don't know.
If we don't know the circumstances then why are you assuming the details?
You're also forgetting about Braga strike team.
In which instead of engaging them in lightsaber combat, he blasted them back with the Force...
In Revan, he stood still and let Revan come to him. In SWTOR, he started approaching his enemies in both occasions.
He jumped down from his throne. That's hardly approaching, all it demonstrates is his confidence they could not reach him, not his willingness to engage in lightsaber combat when he wasn't even armed. 😆
In Revan, he tries to mindrape his opponent immediately instead of taking them out first and even after failing he still tries to toy with his enemy instead of sending his potent attacks right away. In SWTOR, he sent his most powerful attack instantly and mindraped them after defeating them.
Because he was up against 4(?) opponents instead of one.
That said I don't see your point, in both instances he avoided saber combat, and instead warded them off with Force-based attacks.
So, we have 3 fights and the Revan one is actually the least relevant one here. Vitiate's fighting characteristics have changed, evolved after Revan. He was less arrogant, smarter, more cautious yet still more confident.
The majority of which he avoided saber combat in...
Except the one where it was confirmed not be his true body...
Changed, evolved? Seriously? The guy has been trashing Jedi for almost a thousand years, why would he suddenly switch up tactics? If anything the fact he created the Voices indicated he was more wary, all your seeing is confidence he can beat those particular opponents.
But by all means, let him come, let me walk up to Caedus' blade and boast, it will merely make cutting him down all the more easy.
When he faced HoT, he was immensely weakened as his ritual(possibly the biggest ritual ever attempted) backfired. Even then, at the end of the fight in an exhausted state, he managed to push HoT back with the force(his TK was still very powerful at this point) but HoT himself was powerful enough to stand and keep coming at him. Vitiate eventually depleted as he was already weakened by the ritual and therefore this confrontation doesn't represent his true limits as a combatant.
True, but then Caedus is more powerful than the HoT and at the very least the fact he lost debunks it as proof against the fact Caedus will defeat him in sabers.
Vitaite lets them take out their sabers, while he is standing on a very advantageous ground all the way up in his throne where he can cast a lot of attacks before they near him yet he still jumps down and closes the gap even more by walking towards them.
Again because "you stand there because I allow it, because I do not fear", it is quite obvious that Vitiate was confident they couldn't get close to him, not that if they did, he could deal with it. Not that any of them had skills close to that of Caedus.
These are perfectly executed combo attacks and while Caedus might be more powerful than the Braga team even collectively, it doesn't matter much cause Vitiate took care of the Braga team without any trouble so he can defeat more powerful opponents too just not as easily.
Baseless speculation, granted being stronger than any one member of the Jedi Strike Team is no guarantee one could withstand such as an assault, but its hardly proof such an attack to take out Caedus. The fact that Vitiate required a Force storm, multiple blasts of lightning and a massive explosion of energy
just to render them unconscious suggests Caedus can handle it, or that Vitiate's confidence is proof of skill.
Nor where they in a position to fight back, Caedus is, he has Force powers of his own and if Revan can knock him flat, so can Caedus. Difference is Caedus can close the gap before Vitiate gets up.
More importantly, Vitiate grew in power after these events and on top of his first SWTOR feats, he got lots of new accolades that explain how powerful he became.
Those accolades you provided aren't proof Vitiate got more powerful, as that could well have been the power he held as of the JK Act 2 ending, and the fact that the Wrath has never been in the Emperor's presence doesn't add much stock to his claim.
And even as of SoR, it has been confirmed that Revan stood no chance against Vitiate and Revan's not that far behind Caedus in the force.
He's quite far behind...
So in full power, Vitiate can push Caedus back if he closes the gap and keep on overwhelming him with more force attacks.
He can hold Caedus back until Caedus knocks him on his ass, then its all over.