Supreme Court Rules Same-Sex Marriage a Right (5-4)

Originally posted by Robtard
Incorrect, here's how it went down:

You brought in HIV statistics that have absolutely nothing to do with marriage equality. If anything, gay men (highest risk of HIV) getting married to each other might lower the promiscuity rate and therefore possibly lower HIV transmission rates. But who knows.

You then started attacking Christianity as a "not real" religion in hopes it would distract away from your thinly veiled hatred of homosexuals.

You used the "consent" based argument to defend promotion of homosexuality. As a reminder:

Originally posted by Robtard
You draw the line at consenting adults. Might like you use that line in other scenarios.

But you are not willing to extend this logic to incestuous relationships, citing "medical implications" as a reason. As a reminder:

Originally posted by Robtard
-There are known medical issues with incest, why it is looked down upon

I then reminded you in return that homosexuality also have "medical implications." But your response is dismissal of this reasoning.

So isn't this a double-standard?

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As for Christianity part, I don't intend to bash Christianity and Christians, I pointed out that its authenticity is in question with so many contributors and different views about it. On one end, some contributors bash homosexuality; on the other end, some contributors are willing to entertain it (thanks to member Selenial for pointing this out).

Here:

Originally posted by Selenial
*sigh*

The Laws of the Old Testament were set forth by God, through Jesus as the rules that Hebrews needed to follow to atone for the sins of Adam and Eve. They had to do a number of things that no Christian today has to do, as well. They even had to make sacrifices. This was all to atone for the original sin.

When Jesus came from heaven, he came forth with the express intention to sacrifice himself and wipe the sins of humanity clean. It was supposed to free humanity from former rules and regulations and allow us into heaven. That's why Christians no longer must circumsize sons or sacrifice unto God. It's why they're allowed to cut their hair.

Quoting Leviticus is saying that you believe Jesus was wrong. That Jesus' sacrifice means nothing. Saint Paul disagrees, but really Legend, are you trying to say that women who dare sleep with a man before marriage should be stoned on the streets? That we should sacrifice in the name of the Lord? The bible is beyond centuries old, and the Human Race is ever evolving. What matters is Christianity is founded on the basis of compassion and kindness. Why hold hate in your heart for people who share different views?

How about you follow the advice of an actual religious leader anyway, Pope Francis is the head of the Catholic Faith on Earth, and had this to say:

"If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?"

So whom would you trust, when it comes to Bible and Christianity? This is my point.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Soon, I hope.

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Originally posted by NemeBro
Soon, I hope.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Should a human be allowed to marry an animal?

- Should a brother be allowed to marry his sister? Should all incestuous relationships be legalized?

- Should a woman be allowed to marry multiple men?

My point is that where do we draw the line?

Humans came up with the norms of right and wrong (moral code) and outcome was an advanced civilization. It was better for humans to differentiate themselves from wild animals.

Now, thanks to this legislation, we are heading back towards the era of barbarism and bestiality. I suppose, pro-incest movement would be next.

Ahhh, the good old slippery slope fallacy. Classic.

"If we let gay people marry, then the next logical step is people marrying children and cousins and ovens."

Legend, a huge difference between medical issues with Incest and Homosexuality, and what makes them different, is that Incest doesn't give you medical problems.

Children born of incest are the ones who suffer, they can left deformed because of their parents choices and that's what makes it different. Homosexuals accept that risk for themselves, they don't force it on innocents to satisfy what you may view as their perversion.

Originally posted by BackFire
Ahhh, the good old slippery slope fallacy. Classic.

"If we let gay people marry, then the next logical step is people marrying children and cousins and ovens."

Is there a law that prevents you and me from getting married?

not anymore 🙂

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
not anymore 🙂

I was prosing a common law marriage to backfire, don't interfere, mortal.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Is there a law that prevents you and me from getting married?

I don't know. There may be a law on the books somewhere that would disallow me from marrying someone who is mentally handicapped.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I was prosing a common law marriage to backfire, don't interfere, mortal.

yea...not any more. thats the whole point of this. you are now allowed to marry backfire. congrats (assuming he accepts)

Originally posted by BackFire
I don't know. There may be a law on the books somewhere that would disallow me from marrying someone who is mentally handicapped.

This is discrimination.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Wrong.

You used the "consent" based argument to defend promotion of homosexuality. As a reminder:

But you are not willing to extend this logic to incestuous relationships, citing "medical implications" as a reason. As a reminder:

I then reminded you in return that homosexuality also have "medical implications." But your response is dismissal of this reasoning.

So isn't this a double-standard?
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Really?

Okay, quick recap:

-Consenting adults is correct

-Incest can cause mutated children (You?)

-Married gay men having sex doesn't create HIV in of itself

So no, there is no double-standard. There's sound reasoning for marriage equality and there's all the nonsense and flips you've tried.

Originally posted by Robtard
Really?

Okay, quick recap:

-Consenting adults is correct

-Incest can cause mutated children (You?)

-Married gay men having sex doesn't create HIV in of itself

So no, there is no double-standard. There's sound reasoning for marriage equality and there's all the nonsense and flips you've tried.

2. So well-being of children is important? Good. But well-being of adults is not important? (Your comment in brackets is not funny. Maybe you are.)

3. Assuming that both were single and virgin before marriage, then yes. But this isn't the situation in cases of most people in life.

Yes, double-standard.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

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As for Christianity part, I don't intend to bash Christianity and Christians, I pointed out that its authenticity is in question with so many contributors and different views about it. On one end, some contributors bash homosexuality; on the other end, some contributors are willing to entertain it (thanks to member Selenial for pointing this out).

Here:

So whom would you trust, when it comes to Bible and Christianity? This is my point.

For me, Religion always has been and always will be a way to explain what we do not understand. In the ancient times that meant lightning, sea storms and earthquakes. Their answer was Zeus, Poseidon and the Gods. Now we do understand what causes them, and now we're left looking to ourselves. What causes some humans to be different from others, what causes others to make different choices to us, and why. We ask what happens when we die, and why any of our choices in life should matter.

Religions try to answer these questions, and a lot of times they contradict themselves.

In places, Religions say something is wrong. Later they say we must forgive those perversions. They contradict themselves and ultimately leave a gateway for people to make their own choices and only hide behind Religion as their answer.

Christians who hate gays do so because they fear what they do not understand, and they cling to religious scriptures to avoid being called bigots. Those who understand homosexuality or bisexuality and accept them stick to the fundamental foundations of Religion that are love and kindness.

Both are anchored deeply in Religon, both go against Religion as much as they are supported by it, but do not think for a second that people who stand by one side stand on anything bar their own two feet.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. Consenting adults can be in an incestuous relationship.

2. So well-being of children matters? Good. But well-being of adults does not matters? Bad. (Your comment in brackets is not funny)

3. Assuming that both were single and virgin before marriage, then yes. But this isn't the situation in cases of most people in life.

Yes, double-standard.

It's still incestuous. Consent doesn't change the DNA of a biological brother and sister

Well being for all is what matters, why marriage-equality is a good thing

See, it's comments like this that make people think you're a complete dullard

Nope.

Originally posted by BackFire
Ahhh, the good old slippery slope fallacy. Classic.

"If we let gay people marry, then the next logical step is people marrying children and cousins and ovens."

My oven is really hot though and a great cook. Don't hate.

Originally posted by Selenial
For me, Religion always has been and always will be a way to explain what we do not understand. In the ancient times that meant lightning, sea storms and earthquakes. Their answer was Zeus, Poseidon and the Gods. Now we do understand what causes them, and now we're left looking to ourselves. What causes some humans to be different from others, what causes others to make different choices to us, and why. We ask what happens when we die, and why any of our choices in life should matter.

Religions try to answer these questions, and a lot of times they contradict themselves.

In places, Religions say something is wrong. Later they say we must forgive those perversions. They contradict themselves and ultimately leave a gateway for people to make their own choices and only hide behind Religion as their answer.

Christians who hate gays do so because they fear what they do not understand, and they cling to religious scriptures to avoid being called bigots. Those who understand homosexuality or bisexuality and accept them stick to the fundamental foundations of Religion that are love and kindness.

Both are anchored deeply in Religon, both go against Religion as much as they are supported by it, but do not think for a second that people who stand by one side stand on anything bar their own two feet.

The issue seems to be with the Christian aspect of marriage.

In Christianity, marriage is between a man and a woman. One of the privileges of this union is procreation.
That is the other issue. Gay couples cannot procreate. Many Christians view gay couples marrying not for the purpose of procreation, but simply for lust. They argue that if it was for love, they should simply choose to cohabit instead of marrying (so as not to tarnish the sacrament of marriage).

Originally posted by Selenial
Legend, a huge difference between medical issues with Incest and Homosexuality, and what makes them different, is that Incest doesn't give you medical problems.

Children born of incest are the ones who suffer, they can left deformed because of their parents choices and that's what makes it different. Homosexuals accept that risk for themselves, they don't force it on innocents to satisfy what you may view as their perversion.

Originally posted by Surtur
My oven is really hot though and a great cook. Don't hate.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
The issue seems to be with the Christian aspect of marriage.

In Christianity, marriage is between a man and a woman. One of the privileges of this union is procreation.
That is the other issue. Gay couples cannot procreate. Many Christians view gay couples marrying not for the purpose of procreation, but simply for lust. They argue that if it was for love, they should simply choose to cohabit instead of marrying (so as not to tarnish the sacrament of marriage).

I was waiting for this intolerance to rear its ugly head.

Fact: Same-sex couples can have children in the exact same way some "traditional" man-woman couples do.

-Adoption
-Surrogates
-Finding a sperm donor

Now do Christians view "traditional" couples who can't have children themselves as lesser beings? Do they not count a marriage if it fails to produce offspring?