Originally posted by EmperorSidious2On paper he is but when they fought Kenobi won.
Everything in that sentence is irrelevant as everyone knows Anakin is better than Obi. So with that my comparison is true. Anakin>Obi wan>/=Maul
Maul has always had Kenobi's number and he'd also beat the life from Anakin's crybaby eyes.
Originally posted by quanchi112
On paper he is but when they fought Kenobi won.Maul has always had Kenobi's number and he'd also beat the life from Anakin's crybaby eyes.
Hold the phone.
Maul was defeated by Padawan Obi. Straight up too, because he had Obi defenceless and hanging off a ledge, yet somehow still lost.
Knight and Master Obi lost definitively to Dooku, who then got outright obliterated by Anakin. And the fight could have gone either way because Obi taught Anakin all he knew, thus he knew Anakin's fighting style better than anyone else. Anakin only lost because, like Maul, he made one stupid move. It only really takes one bad hit by a lightsaber to end someone.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hold the phone.Maul was defeated by Padawan Obi. Straight up too, because he had Obi defenceless and hanging off a ledge, yet somehow still lost.
Knight and Master Obi lost definitively to Dooku, who then got outright obliterated by Anakin. And the only reason Anakin lost to Obi was because Obi taught Anakin all he knew, thus he knew Anakin's fighting style better than anyone else. Anakin only lost because, like Maul, he made one stupid move. It only really takes one bad hit by a lightsaber to end someone.
The guy who took off after I humiliated his ignorance in the Star Trek thread shows up and dares to question my superior intellect.
Mauk skill wise had him at his mercy. Maul taunted him and was taken by surprise.
Even your own example kind of demonstrates how faulty abc logic is. On one hand Dooku wrecks Kenobi but Skywalker decimated Dooku. Skywalker later went down to Kenobi. Anakin lost because he was a tactical moron whose skill didn't match his arrogance.
Maul would beat Anakin. Deal with it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The guy who took off after I humiliated his ignorance in the Star Trek thread shows up and dares to question my superior intellect.
This is not only wrong, but not an answer to anything. Keep to the thread, sport.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Mauk skill wise had him at his mercy. Maul taunted him and was taken by surprise.
Pretty sure I covered this.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Even your own example kind of demonstrates how faulty abc logic is. On one hand Dooku wrecks Kenobi but Skywalker decimated Dooku. Skywalker later went down to Kenobi. Anakin lost because he was a tactical moron whose skill didn't match his arrogance.
Except we know Dooku is better than Maul by a wide margin because of how easily he trounced an older, more experienced Obi, twice over. The only way for you to think this still, is if you believe Maul can overcome the older, more powerful Obi Wan, or Dooku.
Like I said, both Maul and Anakin made a bad move. Maul's was letting Obi Wan get one over on him by allowing the flip up out of the shaft, and using Qui-Gun's saber to slice him in half without so much as a twitch of the arms to block it. Anakin's was that he tried the same stunt Obi did, but unlike Maul, Obi was ready for it, and Anakin paid the price.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul would beat Anakin. Deal with it.
Based on?
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI just like humiliating you, sport.
This is not only wrong, but not an answer to anything. Keep to the thread, sport.Pretty sure I covered this.
Except we know Dooku is better than Maul by a wide margin because of how easily he trounced an older, more experienced Obi, twice over. The only way for you to think this still, is if you believe Maul can overcome the older, more powerful Obi Wan, or Dooku.
Like I said, both Maul and Anakin made a bad move. Maul's was letting Obi Wan get one over on him by allowing the flip up out of the shaft, and using Qui-Gun's saber to slice him in half without so much as a twitch of the arms to block it. Anakin's was that he tried the same stunt Obi did, but unlike Maul, Obi was ready for it, and Anakin paid the price.
Based on?
You acted like he lost straight up. He didn't. He taunted and left himself open because he was unaware of the other saber and was taken by surprise which is completely different than Anakin's L to Dooku.
That is how Dooku stacks up to Kenobi not how Maul stacks up. Maul has always been portrayed as far greater than Kenobi skill wise. Maul was portrayed as greater than the older Kenobi in the clone wars series multiple times.
Maul didn't see the move coming but Anakin was warned by his opponent that his tactic was stupid and wouldn't work. Anakin is an idiot.
Anakin's arrogance and likelihood of making crucial mistakes in battle.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You acted like he lost straight up. He didn't. He taunted and left himself open because he was unaware of the other saber and was taken by surprise which is completely different than Anakin's L to Dooku.
He... was unaware that the Jedi he just killed in a lightsaber dual... was packing a lightsaber? Is that what you just said?
Anakin was young and inexperienced during his first fight against Dooku, of course he lost then. But when he did kill Dooku, he did it quickly, and even after Dooku literally curbstomped Master level Obi.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is how Dooku stacks up to Kenobi not how Maul stacks up. Maul has always been portrayed as far greater than Kenobi skill wise. Maul was portrayed as greater than the older Kenobi in the clone wars series multiple times.
Only as far as Phantom Menace. Obi grew by leaps and bounds since then, and since this is ROTS era Obi that got slammed by Dooku, that makes Dooku all the more impressive, and Anakin near effortlessly killing ROTS Dooku is a massive increase as well. Feats, skill, power, experience. I trust these over vague interpretations of "portrayals" any day of the week. Hell, even Sideous considered Dooku the better apprentice over Maul, and then Anakin over Dooku.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul didn't see the move coming but Anakin was warned by his opponent that his tactic was stupid and wouldn't work. Anakin is an idiot.
Both proved to make a stupid move. Maul, with all these "portrayals'" acted like a noob. Some could write that off as PIS, but the same can be said for Anakin's mistake.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin's arrogance and likelihood of making crucial mistakes in battle.
He did make a mistake, once, as did Maul, and it ended up costing them both. This makes the "stupid decision" a draw, and thus a moot point.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroDid you even watch these movies because I am starting to question your credibility. He was unaware of the lightsabers location. This maneuver caught him by surprise.
He... was unaware that the Jedi he just killed in a lightsaber dual... was not packing a lightsaber? Is that what you just said?Anakin was young and inexperienced during his first fight against Dooku, of course he lost then. But when he did kill Dooku, he did it quickly, and even after Dooku literally curbstomped Master level Obi.
Only as far as Phantom Menace. Obi grew by leaps and bounds since then, and since this is ROTS era Obi that got slammed by Dooku, that makes Dooku all the more impressive, and Anakin near effortlessly killing ROTS Dooku is a massive increase as well. Feats, skill, power, experience. I trust these over vague interpretations of "portrayals" any day of the week. Hell, even Sideous considered Dooku the better apprentice over Maul, and then Anakin over Dooku.
Both proved to make a stupid move. Maul, with all these "portrayals'" acted like a noob. Some could write that off as PIS, but the same can be said for Anakin's mistake.
He did make a mistake, once, as did Maul, and it ended up costing them both. This makes the "stupid decision" a draw, and thus a moot point.
Dooku was destroyed but it the only reason was because others had saved Anakin in his first matchup against Dooku. Anakin was also later saved after Obi defeated him in combat. Anakin was also experienced but was overconfident and less powerful. His overconfidence was the reason he fell to Kenobi so it's still a trait that resided in him.
Obi did grow by leaps and bounds because he defeated the same Anakin that defeated Dooku in record time. Kenobi was at the height of his game in the clone wars and was still unable to ever best Maul. Sidious did rub in the fact he was replaced only after he deemed him a rival.
Anakin bested Dooku so of course the Sith Lord favors the stronger of the two. It's their damn philosophy. We also see he was going to replace Vader with his own son so this doesn't really prove anything. Sidious was not even aware of Maul's presence in surviving until his goals made Palaptine himself take notice of the power he had acquired through his own vision.
Maul taunted an opponent be disarmed and had at his mercy. Anakin never had Obi at his mercy. I'll take the guy who skillfully out dueled the other over the idiot who lost because of overconfidence trying a stupid move any day of the week.
Rots Vader made a mistake of overconfidence just like he did against Dooku the first time so it's a clear pattern and not an isolated incident.
Originally posted by quanchi112
On paper he is but when they fought Kenobi won.Maul has always had Kenobi's number and he'd also beat the life from Anakin's crybaby eyes.
Irrelevant as the conditions he won under don't prove he is better than Anakin.
I stay true to the fact Anakin>Obi wan>/=Maul as based off of evidence.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you even watch these movies because I am starting to question your credibility. He was unaware of the lightsabers location. This maneuver caught him by surprise.
That's not what you said. It is also incredibly ludicrous that Maul, a trained force user and Sith Lord, as unaware of a Lightsaber's location. This is the fact; Maul sensed something was up when Obi started using the force to begin tugging on Qui Gon's saber, he knew Obi was about to try something, and he stood there and let it happen. He "had the high ground" by even more of a margin than Obi had over Anakin on Mustafar, and he flunked it badly.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku was destroyed but it the only reason was because others had saved Anakin in his first matchup against Dooku. Anakin was also later saved after Obi defeated him in combat. Anakin was also experienced but was overconfident and less powerful. His overconfidence was the reason he fell to Kenobi so it's still a trait that resided in him.
#1: What does that have to do with it? The debate is Maul vs ROTS Anakin, not AOTC Anakin.
#2: That was after Anakin's mistake.
#3: Less powerful? That makes not one iota of sense. He defeated Dooku, he killed sh!tloads of Jedi at the temple, and he ended the CIS. The only challenge he had the whole movie was Obi, and that fight lasted a lot longer than Maul's fight with Obi. A lot longer, in dangerous terrains and environments.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Obi did grow by leaps and bounds because he defeated the same Anakin that defeated Dooku in record time. Kenobi was at the height of his game in the clone wars and was still unable to ever best Maul. Sidious did rub in the fact he was replaced only after he deemed him a [B]rival. [/B]
Lol no. 30+ minutes of constant battle is not record time. That duel was longer than any other in SW Movie or TCW history by a wide margin. And remind me, what did happen to Maul? Sids took his former apprentice apart with ridiculous ease. Maul was ended profoundly.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin bested Dooku so of course the Sith Lord favors the stronger of the two. It's their damn philosophy. We also see he was going to replace Vader with his own son so this doesn't really prove anything. Sidious was not even aware of Maul's presence in surviving until his goals made Palaptine himself take notice of the power he had acquired through his own vision.
Which proved to remain completely overshadowed by Anakin's, which is why Sids didn't take Maul back and dump Dooku. Sids Ended Both Opress and Maul, and Maul even had the Dark Saber, so you cannot claim anything about Maul being disadvantaged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul taunted an opponent be disarmed and had at his mercy. Anakin never had Obi at his mercy. I'll take the guy who skillfully out dueled the other over the idiot who lost because of overconfidence trying a stupid move any day of the week.
No, Anakin was in Obi's position against Maul at the very end, the only difference is that Obi didn't make Maul's foolish choice and stand there like a gawking idiot and let Anakin get over him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rots Vader made a mistake of overconfidence just like he did against Dooku the first time so it's a clear pattern and not an isolated incident.
Maul made a more foolish decision and lost despite having a clear advantage. Obi and Anakin were dead even for 30 minutes, and the only reason Anakin lost was bad positioning. Maul had every advantage, and he blew it by standing there like a slack jawed idiot while Obi flipped over him and sliced him in two.
So, on one hand, we have Anakin who attempted to beat the odds of his unfavourable position, and failed, while we have Maul, who had a beaten and disarmed Obi Wan hanging in a chasm shaft, and still lost because he royally screwed the pooch.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroYes, that is what I said. I know you have a long and detailed history of being inaccurate and lying but please try to keep it under control. He was busy taunting Obi and was surprised at the jump and slash from Kenobi. Occam's razor. We also see that Yoda was unaware of Sheev's attack despite him forewarning as much with a two second gesture. Maul was caught off guard. I don't dispute this but he disarmed his opponent and survived the attack.
That's not what you said. It is also incredibly ludicrous that Maul, a trained force user and Sith Lord, as unaware of a Lightsaber's location. This is the fact; Maul sensed something was up when Obi started using the force to begin tugging on Qui Gon's saber, he knew Obi was about to try something, and he stood there and let it happen. He "had the high ground" by even more of a margin than Obi had over Anakin on Mustafar, and he flunked it badly.#1: What does that have to do with it? The debate is Maul vs ROTS Anakin, not AOTC Anakin.
#2: That was after Anakin's mistake.
#3: Less powerful? That makes not one iota of sense. He defeated Dooku, he killed sh!tloads of Jedi at the temple, and he ended the CIS. The only challenge he had the whole movie was Obi, and that fight lasted a lot longer than Maul's fight with Obi. A lot longer, in dangerous terrains and environments.
Lol no. 30+ minutes of constant battle is not record time. That duel was longer than any other in SW Movie or TCW history by a wide margin. And remind me, what did happen to Maul? Sids took his former apprentice apart with ridiculous ease. Maul was ended profoundly.
Which proved to remain completely overshadowed by Anakin's, which is why Sids didn't take Maul back and dump Dooku. Sids Ended Both Opress and Maul, and Maul even had the Dark Saber, so you cannot claim anything about Maul being disadvantaged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg
No, Anakin was in Obi's position against Maul at the very end, the only difference is that Obi didn't make Maul's foolish choice and stand there like a gawking idiot and let Anakin get over him.
Maul made a more foolish decision and lost [b]despite
having a clear advantage. Obi and Anakin were dead even for 30 minutes, and the only reason Anakin lost was bad positioning. Maul had every advantage, and he blew it by standing there like a slack jawed idiot while Obi flipped over him and sliced him in two.So, on one hand, we have Anakin who attempted to beat the odds of his unfavourable position, and failed, while we have Maul, who had a beaten and disarmed Obi Wan hanging in a chasm shaft, and still lost because he royally screwed the pooch. [/B]
#1. It is the same character so unlike you I won't ignore his history.
#2. So you acknowledge the mistake. Zing.
#3. I was referring to Anakin in aotc so that's why I said he was less powerful. His power doubled around the time of his rots round against the overrated Dooku. The fact the fight lasted much longer also detracts from your point. Anakin had more time to defeat Obi and disarm him. He was not only unable to do so but also beaten by an opponent who pleaded with him not to be a dumb moron.
Anakin crushed Dooku in far less than 30 minutes, noob. Maul was defeated by Sidious but he was not killed. Sidious was his superior as he is also Vader and Dooku's superior so what's the problem.
Maul didn't fight Dooku and best him. If he had Maul would have been welcomed into the food just as Anakin was. Sids did kill Opress who was always more of a brute than the skilled warrior Maul was. Maul really held his own and pressed Sidious far longer than Dooku could have IMO.
The difference is Anakin had his saber and even warned him of the attack. Maul was caught off guard after he disarmed his opponent. Facts are fun.
Anakin lost despite NEVER having an advantage. Maul showed superior skill in disarming his opponent who was at his mercy. Anakin left himself in a poor position so that was his bad. He also was warned by his opponent to not try it. Only a damn moron would try that with your opponent waiting for it.
Maul wins.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He won. Fact. Anakin lost. Fact.
Irrelevant as the conditions he won under don't prove he is better than Anakin.I stay true to the fact Anakin>Obi wan>/=Maul as based off of evidence.
Because you don't rely on evidence and make shit up. The sky can be red in your fantasy world, schizophrenic.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He won. Fact. Anakin lost. Fact.Because you don't rely on evidence and make shit up. The sky can be red in your fantasy world, schizophrenic.
Again irrelevant fact. Unless he lost by skill which he didn't that doesn't put Obi on Anakins level.
I'm relying on evidence. The stunt coordinator puts Anakin as a 9 while Obi is an 8. This alone puts Anakin above Obi. Then Anakin didn't lose to Obi due to lack of skill. So with that of these three Anakin is defiantly better than Obi. Then I go to TCW. Maul and Obi wan have fought I believe 2 battles. Correct me if I'm wrong. Kenobi won one, and maul one the other. However when maul lost he had the assistance of his brother while kenobi took both on by himself and severed savages arm. Then Kenobi no doubt got,better as the clone wars progressed. Maul did to,as I must admit. This is why I say Obi>/=Maul. Either way Anakin is the best of the 3. This is all facts and evidence.
Originally posted by quanchi112Definition of Meditation: The goal of meditation is to focus and quiet your mind, eventually reaching a higher level of awareness and inner calm. Allowing yourself to access a sense of tranquility and peace no matter what's going on around you.
If someone knees down and meditates they sure are resting.I have debated with logical reasoning whereas you have cried about the fact Maul defeated Qui.
Maul defeated him. Someone driving him back doesn't mean anything since he was unable to even harm him. Kenobi was forced back against Anakin for the large duration of that fight but guess who won, it sure wasn't the aggressor. 💃
Yes, focusing reaching a higher level of awareness sure sounds like resting. One more uneducated comment by you.
Once again you are proven wrong that Qui Gon was resting. Instead you haven't countered my point that Maul was saved by the shields and given time to regroup. He was on the defensive until the shields saved him.
You lose again!
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroNo, Anakin was in Obi's position against Maul at the very end, the only difference is that Obi didn't make Maul's foolish choice and stand there like a gawking idiot and let Anakin get over him.
That's because Obi knew Anakin was armed. Maul had no clue Kenobi had a weapon at his disposal.
So that was a surprise hit, no doubt about it. Whilst in Anakin's case not only was he clearly armed, he basically announced he was about to jump.
So big big differences between how those 2 fights ended.
Originally posted by Darth ThorPadawan is questionable. Luke really was a Jedi. Yoda didn't want to give him the title until he defeated Vader.
Luke obviously.
Also are you really comparing the two situations? Maul who was giving his all to a Vader who was never trying to kill his son. There is no comparison between the two situations.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He lost due to his skill being inferior to pulling off the feat. Kenobi was excellent in defeating Anakin. Evidence >>>stunt guy.
Again irrelevant fact. Unless he lost by skill which he didn't that doesn't put Obi on Anakins level.I'm relying on evidence. The stunt coordinator puts Anakin as a 9 while Obi is an 8. This alone puts Anakin above Obi. Then Anakin didn't lose to Obi due to lack of skill. So with that of these three Anakin is defiantly better than Obi. Then I go to TCW. Maul and Obi wan have fought I believe 2 battles. Correct me if I'm wrong. Kenobi won one, and maul one the other. However when maul lost he had the assistance of his brother while kenobi took both on by himself and severed savages arm. Then Kenobi no doubt got,better as the clone wars progressed. Maul did to,as I must admit. This is why I say Obi>/=Maul. Either way Anakin is the best of the 3. This is all facts and evidence.
Anakin is more skilled thus him losing is even more pathetic. Maul has always shown himself to be Kenobi's superior and only lost due to taunting. On the show he force pushed Kenobi away after he hurt his weaker brother.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He lost due to his skill being inferior to pulling off the feat. Kenobi was excellent in defeating Anakin. Evidence >>>stunt guy.Anakin is more skilled thus him losing is even more pathetic. Maul has always shown himself to be Kenobi's superior and only lost due to taunting. On the show he force pushed Kenobi away after he hurt his weaker brother.
Unless Anakin lost by virtue of lack of skill then Obi would be better. However he didn't and the stunt coordinator say Aankin is better. So with all those things evidence and the words from the stunt coordinator Anakin remains above Obi wan.
Irrelevant as you concede Aankin is more skilled thus making this pointless. Obi and maul are very closely matched and it debatable of who is better by the time of TCW as both have shown their superiority over the other. I can accept maul being better but I can also accept kenobi being better. However the fact still remains that of the 3 Anakin is the top duelist as said per evidence and by the stunt coordinator and I believe by kenobi himself at one point.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He lacked the skill to pull off the jump. I agree Anakin is greater than Obi but he still lost.
Unless Anakin lost by virtue of lack of skill then Obi would be better. However he didn't and the stunt coordinator say Aankin is better. So with all those things evidence and the words from the stunt coordinator Anakin remains above Obi wan.Irrelevant as you concede Aankin is more skilled thus making this pointless. Obi and maul are very closely matched and it debatable of who is better by the time of TCW as both have shown their superiority over the other. I can accept maul being better but I can also accept kenobi being better. However the fact still remains that of the 3 Anakin is the top duelist as said per evidence and by the stunt coordinator and I believe by kenobi himself at one point.
Maul is also more skilled than Kenobi. How can't you follow along ? You're just an awful, dim witted person.
Maul wins. Faster and not overconfident like mistake prone Anakin.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He lacked the skill to pull off the jump. I agree Anakin is greater than Obi but he still lost.Maul is also more skilled than Kenobi. How can't you follow along ? You're just an awful, dim witted person.
Maul wins. Faster and not overconfident like mistake prone Anakin.
Him losing is irrelevant because he didn't lose due to lack of skill.
Well unlike you I'm not stupid. I believe kenobi to be possibly better than maul. This is my opinion. You saying maul is better is also your opinion. You saying maul is more skilled is your opinion so you really can't tell someone that's fact a s it hasn't been declared anywhere that I know of and the fights that they have had have shown both can beat the other.
Him being faster I can't agree to as Aankin could just as well match his speed and possibly and most likely out due it and Aankin is possibly stronger than maul. Oh so what do you call the phantom menace when maul got half his body cut off.