Originally posted by Kotor3
Except it is not. Luke is referred to as a Jedi throughout the whole movie. Yoda and Vader both describe his skills as being completed.
And Qui-Gon said Obi-Wan is ready. It's the same thing, you're just trying to make it mean something different. In fact if anything Kenobi was thoroughly better trained than Luke.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Yoda, obviously was referring to a choice that Luke would have to make in becoming a Sith or Jedi. If he didn’t kill Vader then all was lost if he did then he confirms himself as a Jedi.
Yoda was referring to the Trials Luke has to undergo before he becomes a Jedi. Vader was the Ultimate Trial for Luke to undergo. There was no Jedi Order to test him with the standard Jedi Trials.
And btw, Luke didn't kill Vader, so your theory is wrong.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Obi wan master died and he promised to train Anakin, so he was promoted. Nothing about their situations is the same.
Again you seem quite confused as to the events of TPM. Kenobi got Knighted first, and then Yoda said "No" to him training Anakin. Then only when Obi-Wan stated he will train him regardless was it that Yoda agreed.
But he was already Knighted, so that was a completely separate issue.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Questionable? That must be why Luke himself admits in the movie that he doesn’t believe his father would destroyed just like he didn’t in their previous fight. Why we see Vader griping the pole with his hands when Luke says “Then I have truly lost my father”. Why Luke mentions more than one that he can feel the conflict within his father.
Vader might have been conflicted sure. But he sure didn't look like he was holding back when he states "You are Unwise to Lower your defenses". And neither does the script or the novel hint to him holding back during the Saber clash.
Still holding back or not is no excuse for Vader to get battered by Luke. Surely he should put in 100% to defend himself against Luke's onslaught at least. And surely he didn't want his hand chopped off.
Originally posted by Kotor3
As for Maul holding back, you are right he was holding back with Obi wan broke his lance in two. When Obi wan had him backing up. You mean fortunate a pit was in the same room. Poor Maul couldn’t respond quickly enough as Obi wan cut him in half.
Now you just sound like a Maul hater. Kenobi couldn't defeat Maul with Qui-Gon's direct aid. Kenobi got defeated by Maul when he was kicked off the ledge and disarmed. Lucky for Kenobi, his Master was there to stop Maul killing Kenobi.
Then Kenobi gets a HUGE Rest whilst Maul finished off Qui-Gon. And even then in the final 1 v 1 it ends with Maul chucking Kenobi down a pit and throwing away his weapon.
There was no skill at all in Kenobi's final victory. It was simply a surprise attack, against an opponent who had no clue Kenobi even had a weapon.
Let's not be a hater and pretend Maul was too slow to react to Kenobi, as if that was the case the fight never would have lasted 2 seconds in the first place.
Originally posted by Kotor3
You are right Luke beat a Vader who wasn’t giving his all and got surprise by Luke’s onslaught. While Maul, was too slow to react to Obi wan. All he could do was make the stupid look on his face as he got cut in half.
LMAO! So a Vader who was purposefully enraging Luke knowing full well Luke has his weapon got completely battered by Luke in a long fought Saber duel because he was "caught by surprise.." But a Maul who had no clue Kenobi even had a weapon and sliced with the initial surprise attack was somehow beaten due to being too slow?
Yeah you're definitely a very biased Maul hater, and are not being Objective here in the slightest.