Anakin Skywalker (ROTS) vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Him losing is irrelevant because he didn't lose due to lack of skill.

Well unlike you I'm not stupid. I believe kenobi to be possibly better than maul. This is my opinion. You saying maul is better is also your opinion. You saying maul is more skilled is your opinion so you really can't tell someone that's fact a s it hasn't been declared anywhere that I know of and the fights that they have had have shown both can beat the other.

Him being faster I can't agree to as Aankin could just as well match his speed and possibly and most likely out due it and Aankin is possibly stronger than maul. Oh so what do you call the phantom menace when maul got half his body cut off.

Kenobi has never beaten Maul due to superior skill. Maul has always been portrayed as greater.

Speculation. Maul wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he lacked the skill to complete the jump.

Kenobi has never beaten Maul due to superior skill. Maul has always been portrayed as greater.

Speculation. Maul wins.

Not a lack of skill that says he's not better than Obi as per evidence he is in terms of skill.

Well again I'm fine with both sides however I go with kenobi as both have shown to be better than the other.

No Anakin is defiantly stronger. Maul is fast however I don't see him being faster than Anakin. Based On?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Not a lack of skill that says he's not better than Obi as per evidence he is in terms of skill.

Well again I'm fine with both sides however I go with kenobi as both have shown to be better than the other.

No Anakin is defiantly stronger. Maul is fast however I don't see him being faster than Anakin. Based On?

Incorrect.

Based on ? Anakin wasn't strong enough to overpower Kenobi.

Quickness and common sense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did lack the skill to compete the move.

Incorrect.

Based on ? Anakin wasn't strong enough to overpower Kenobi.

Quickness and common sense.

He doesn't lack overall skill apparently. So my date,not is correct as Anakin is better than kenobi. Him losing to,him is irrelevant as he didn't lose by lack of skill.

In your opinion.

Anakin has been shown to get through dookus defense and many others. He was able to crush a Magna guards hand with his bare hands. Obi wan being a soresu master and has his own strenght that wouldn't surprise me. How,is this relevant to,anything.

Quickness is questionable. What common sense says that Maul wins? Where is the common sense?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He doesn't lack overall skill apparently. So my date,not is correct as Anakin is better than kenobi. Him losing to,him is irrelevant as he didn't lose by lack of skill.

In your opinion.

Anakin has been shown to get through dookus defense and many others. He was able to crush a Magna guards hand with his bare hands. Obi wan being a soresu master and has his own strenght that wouldn't surprise me. How,is this relevant to,anything.

Quickness is questionable. What common sense says that Maul wins? Where is the common sense?

So what if he crushes a hand ? Anakin beat Dooku skill wise not overpowering him. Stay relevant. You made the claim.

Anakin's poor judgment in battle. That's common sense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he did but in that instance he lacked the skill and it cost him the fight.

So what if he crushes a hand ? Anakin beat Dooku skill wise not overpowering him. Stay relevant. You made the claim.

Anakin's poor judgment in battle. That's common sense.

Incorrect he didn't lack skill he lacked tactical sensibility.

Crushes a hand shows strenght and power. A metal and hand as well. You have a very flexible definition of beating someone. He overpowered his,defenses thus beating him skill wise. While dookus style is weak to offensive capabilities Dooku has shown to get around that and actually take it slow,times. This is relevant. No you made the claim that he couldn't get through Obi WANs defense. I stated why.

If this is movie versions only than that means maul is also overconfident as he was sliced in half when he had the fight in the bag. That's common sense.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Padawan is questionable. Luke really was a Jedi. Yoda didn't want to give him the title until he defeated Vader.

And Kenobi was given the title after defeating Maul. Same thing.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Also are you really comparing the two situations? Maul who was giving his all to a Vader who was never trying to kill his son. There is no comparison between the two situations.

Well Vader holding back is questionable. And clearly Maul was holding back also when he didn't Force push Kenobi while he was hanging.

But you're right, the 2 defeats were completely different, because Kenobi surprise attacked Maul with Qui-Gon's weapon. And spent the majority of the fight fighting alongside Qui-Gon.

Whilst Luke just outright beat down Vader all on his own. And it was in fact Luke who disarmed Vader.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And Kenobi was given the title after defeating Maul. Same thing.

Obi wan master died and he promised to train Anakin, so he was promoted. Nothing about their situations is the same.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well Vader holding back is questionable. And clearly Maul was holding back also when he didn't Force push Kenobi while he was hanging.

As for Maul holding back, you are right he was holding back with Obi wan broke his lance in two. When Obi wan had him backing up. You mean fortunate a pit was in the same room. Poor Maul couldn’t respond quickly enough as Obi wan cut him in half.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But you're right, the 2 defeats were completely different, because Kenobi surprise attacked Maul with Qui-Gon's weapon. And spent the majority of the fight fighting alongside Qui-Gon.
Whilst Luke just outright beat down Vader all on his own. And it was in fact Luke who disarmed Vader.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Incorrect he didn't lack skill he lacked tactical sensibility.

Crushes a hand shows strenght and power. A metal and hand as well. You have a very flexible definition of beating someone. He overpowered his,defenses thus beating him skill wise. While dookus style is weak to offensive capabilities Dooku has shown to get around that and actually take it slow,times. This is relevant. No you made the claim that he couldn't get through Obi WANs defense. I stated why.

If this is movie versions only than that means maul is also overconfident as he was sliced in half when he had the fight in the bag. That's common sense.

Was it with his robotic hand ?

Obi won. Dooku lost very quickly.

Maul killed Qui. Maul kills Vader who is moronic and even ignored his former master pleading with him not to be such a moron.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have explained why he lacked both.

Was it with his robotic hand ?

Obi won. Dooku lost very quickly.

Maul killed Qui. Maul kills Vader who is moronic and even ignored his former master pleading with him not to be such a moron.

Your so called explanation for skill is both poor and does not pertain to really any logical sense of skill.

Still his strenght as that hand is apart of him just like mauls robotic legs are now apart of him and savages new arm is apart of him.

Well I don't know why you brought in Qui when Anakin is far greater than Qui. Maul doesn't kill Vader since he doesn't have the skill to kill Vader.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Your so called explanation for skill is both poor and does not pertain to really any logical sense of skill.

Still his strenght as that hand is apart of him just like mauls robotic legs are now apart of him and savages new arm is apart of him.

Well I don't know why you brought in Qui when Anakin is far greater than Qui. Maul doesn't kill Vader since he doesn't have the skill to kill Vader.

No, it is his robotic add on not on his own strength. I wouldn't ever cite his robotic legs as it's an add on and not his own strength.

I think Vader would barely edge him out. He wasn't as stupid as Anakin.

Obi sure bested him and you agree he lacked the skill so according to you Maul can win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he lacked the skill to pull off the jump.

No, it is his robotic add on not on his own strength. I wouldn't ever cite his robotic legs as it's an add on and not his own strength.

I think Vader would barely edge him out. He wasn't as stupid as Anakin.

Obi sure bested him and you agree he lacked the skill so according to you Maul can win.

Doesn't equate to overall skill.

It's his strenght now. It's apart of him so yes it's his own strength it his bionic strenght so yes it counts. It's apart of him now so it counts. It's how he will have to adapt to fighting since he can't use his real legs anymore.

Getting jumped over and then waiting for like a second and then getting chopped in half when you have the advantage is pretty stupid. Worse than Anakin as Anakin charged in however maul just let him jump,over him and cut him half. Pretty stupid.

Wrong. I never said he lacked skill. I said he lacked tactics which is different. Maul is not on Aankins level as a duelist or force weilder. So maul is outclassed by Anakin.

Maul would lose to Ashoka let alone Anakin.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Doesn't equate to overall skill.

It's his strenght now. It's apart of him so yes it's his own strength it his bionic strenght so yes it counts. It's apart of him now so it counts. It's how he will have to adapt to fighting since he can't use his real legs anymore.

Getting jumped over and then waiting for like a second and then getting chopped in half when you have the advantage is pretty stupid. Worse than Anakin as Anakin charged in however maul just let him jump,over him and cut him half. Pretty stupid.

Wrong. I never said he lacked skill. I said he lacked tactics which is different. Maul is not on Aankins level as a duelist or force weilder. So maul is outclassed by Anakin.

It isn't his strength it's a robotic hand. Anyone can add on a robotic hand so it's not his strength.

He was caught by surprise. Anakin had time to think and still made a foolish decision despite being warned by his own opponent is unforgivable.

I said he lacked both. Maul wins.

Originally posted by playa1258
Maul would lose to Ashoka let alone Anakin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It involved poor tactics and lackluster skill in the jump.

It isn't his strength it's a robotic hand. Anyone can add on a robotic hand so it's not his strength.

He was caught by surprise. Anakin had time to think and still made a foolish decision despite being warned by his own opponent is unforgivable.

I said he lacked both. Maul wins.

Only thing that showed was bad positioning. That is it. And stupidity.

That's why the Sith during Malgus era repleced their limbs with cybernetics or added cybernetics to them to upgrade their speed or strenghth. While not his human strenght it's still his strenght and can be used in battle just like mauls new legs are used in battle in some way as seen by his fight with savage. Or how Grevious uses his four arms to his advantage.

Caught by suprise not really. He could see him and still had a saber and could have just sliced him if he was smart which he wasn't.

Well what you say isn't fact. What we see is fact and what we see is he lacked tactics. Maul has no feats or recommendations or sources or anything that say he can even compete with Aankin. The only reason Obi wan did is because being his master he was knew Anakins style inside and out, and he is,a soresu practioner.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Only thing that showed was bad positioning. That is it. And stupidity.

That's why the Sith during Malgus era repleced their limbs with cybernetics or added cybernetics to them to upgrade their speed or strenghth. While not his human strenght it's still his strenght and can be used in battle just like mauls new legs are used in battle in some way as seen by his fight with savage. Or how Grevious uses his four arms to his advantage.

Caught by suprise not really. He could see him and still had a saber and could have just sliced him if he was smart which he wasn't.

Well what you say isn't fact. What we see is fact and what we see is he lacked tactics. Maul has no feats or recommendations or sources or anything that say he can even compete with Aankin. The only reason Obi wan did is because being his master he was knew Anakins style inside and out, and he is,a soresu practioner.

Is that more eu bullshit ? It isn't his strength it's his robotic hand. Just like Maul's legs are t his strength anymore either.

Yes, he was caught by surprise that's why his facial expression shows surprise. You aren't even an honest debater and lie. Nah, Kenobi won because Anakin was an idiot and not patient. Maul wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you say that is it and then moronically say stupidity. Inferior skill as well.

Is that more eu bullshit ? It isn't his strength it's his robotic hand. Just like Maul's legs are t his strength anymore either.

Yes, he was caught by surprise that's why his facial expression shows surprise. You aren't even an honest debater and lie. Nah, Kenobi won because Anakin was an idiot and not patient. Maul wins.

It was due to him being in a bad spot but then being stupid enough to actually jump after being told not to. False.

I'm just saying and Its backed by canon examples. Anakin while not of his own free will got a cybernetic hand which increased his strenght. Also with Vader. His suit increased his strenght due to the heavy armor. So no not EU specifically. It's his strenght he can use. He has to adapt to use them as they are his new legs so he can now be more versatile.

No it shows I got chopped in half. I,don't buy him being surprised since kenobi had to,jump,in the air to kill,him first. What proof do you have that makes maul wins.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It was due to him being in a bad spot but then being stupid enough to actually jump after being told not to. False.

I'm just saying and Its backed by canon examples. Anakin while not of his own free will got a cybernetic hand which increased his strenght. Also with Vader. His suit increased his strenght due to the heavy armor. So no not EU specifically. It's his strenght he can use. He has to adapt to use them as they are his new legs so he can now be more versatile.

No it shows I got chopped in half. I,don't buy him being surprised since kenobi had to,jump,in the air to kill,him first. What proof do you have that makes maul wins.

No, his hand became robotic. His natural strength didn't increase. It is a hand he can use but that isn't a part of his natural strength and didn't do any good against Kenobi who was a fleshy guy.

The whole maneuver caught him off guard. You lying about it honestly shows the poster you are. Anakin's idiocy as evidenced by his losses to Dooku and Kenobi.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He had the same opportunity with the sabers tied up to jump before Kenobi. He's an idiot.

No, his hand became robotic. His natural strength didn't increase. It is a hand he can use but that isn't a part of his natural strength and didn't do any good against Kenobi who was a fleshy guy.

The whole maneuver caught him off guard. You lying about it honestly shows the poster you are. Anakin's idiocy as evidenced by his losses to Dooku and Kenobi.

He was in a saber lock so wouldn't necessarily jump as he knew he had the skill edge and kenobi couldn't hold out forever.

A hand he can use to increase his strenght by bionics. Kenobi is a soresu master who has his own physical strenght.

If I jump over you, you shouldn't be surprised. You saw me jump over you. You trying to make excuses for maul and trying to put him above Anakin is unworthy of a Star Wars fan.