Thanos vs Supermans

Originally posted by Juntai
People can think what they want, they can build their own averages or majorities or mental images of where they think characters should be, but the fact will remain that Superman fighting to the best of his ability [as is forum rules] is someone who will beat Thanos.

You can't handcuff Flash because he's been tagged by guys like Green Arrow.

You can't just decide to handcuff Superman because you don't like how powerful he is.

No that is EXACTLY what we can do. We only judge a character by the feats they have. That is how we determine how powerful they are and what powers that have at their disposal. Feats and portrayal mean everything and is the bases for everything we discuss on this site. So yes, when Flash is tagged by Green Arrow... he's been tagged by Green Arrow. It happened, for whatever reason it's in his character to not be on top of his powers all the time to avoid such an occurrence. As Genny Green said one time " They were who we thought they were" If somebody gets tagged all the time, even though it seems like they shouldn't... guess what THEY GET TAGGED. Period, end of story. You can't discount that because you don't think it should've happened. You're not an authority in DC, nor do you have one inkling of a say so on what goes on there. THEY determined that Flash can get hit by Green Arrow... PERIOD. Just like they determined Superman gets Feeb'd exponentially more times than Thanos. Just like they've flat out portrayed superman as a peer to Marvel.. Adam.. Orion and others... BECAUSE HE IS. No amount of closing your ears and eyes will ever change Thanos being clearly and distinctly above Superman.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No that is EXACTLY what we can do. We only judge a character by the feats they have. That is how we determine how powerful they are and what powers that have at their disposal. Feats and portrayal mean everything and is the bases for everything we discuss on this site. So yes, when Flash is tagged by Green Arrow... he's been tagged by Green Arrow. It happened, for whatever reason it's in his character to not be on top of his powers all the time to avoid such an occurrence. As Genny Green said one time " They were who we thought they were" If somebody gets tagged all the time, even though it seems like they shouldn't... guess what THEY GET TAGGED. Period, end of story. You can't discount that because you don't think it should've happened. You're not an authority in DC, nor do you have one inkling of a say so on what goes on there. THEY determined that Flash can get hit by Green Arrow... PERIOD. Just like they determined Superman gets Feeb'd exponentially more times than Thanos. Just like they've flat out portrayed superman as a peer to Marvel.. Adam.. Orion and others... BECAUSE HE IS. No amount of closing your ears and eyes will ever change Thanos being clearly and distinctly above Superman.

Cool.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
And? That is a horrible line of logic to use, and you're better than that. To easily dismiss the point, all we need to do is look at the opposite. Far more times are the smartest people right than they are wrong. Shit, we could even say even average people all thinking the same thing are generally right, as opposed to wrong. You throwing out an outliner you thought backed up your point, actually destroyed your logical line of progression.

Nobody is handcuffing Superman at all, I've made it very clear that I feel like Thanos beat OWAW Superman... and wouldn't even need to go all out to do so. I've made that stance clear. What I find utterly laughable is your claim that even a low end superman takes a majority against Thanos. That's utterly ridiculous, and something I don't even think you believe. For example you'd never do a BZ with you having to back up that premise and conclusion.

Now I'll ask again....

Who's gotten Feeb'd more Thanos or Superman?

Who of the two has a winning record against skyfather and up level characters with his own power?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Err.. She was not weak. She is a diminished version of the Beyonder. Though she had a fractured psyche, she wielded immense power. Lol.. Her power gave out momentarily? He beat her in a power struggle. Can't really dismiss it. Shiet happens in comics.

Ego has also defeated Galactus one on one. Ego has actually made Galactus fear his power and made him flee. He's also obliterated his brother Alter-Ego in one shot(while distracted).

Krona was oneshot by a herald even though he had the entirety of the emotional spectrum under his command. Otmu the Watcher was reeling before Quasar's onslaught. Gorr who had butchered countless pantheons was ko'd by Thor. I guess they are a bunch of pansies for loosing to heralds.

Ego is one of those that teeters b/n trans and low skyfather.

No. I disagree. My summary is what happened. She was clearly the one flooding the images with power, but she was confused. She stopped and he finally hit her. She was still asking the same questions that made her get mad in the first place. Only now she was lost and sad about it again. And he still refused to answer her.
She knew she wouldn't get the answer and gave up.
Stopped resisting.

Hence my original post, before you asked me to clarify more;

Originally posted by Juntai
That's a remarkably disingenuous description of an encounter between Thanos and a simple Cosmic Cube Being. Thanos didn't outright beat the Maker, he manipulated her into defeating herself by refusing to reveal vital information at a critical juncture in her development that caused her to mentally shut down and stop fighting.

No. Ego isn't. He had a good showing against a very weak Galactus.

He feared the power of a sun would destroy him when Surfer threatened him with it.
Gladiator punched him a couple times.
BRB hit him with a few small comets.
etc. etc.

He is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY below Galactus.

The idea that Galactus ran to Thor for help tells you all you need to know about how shitty that story was.

Originally posted by Juntai
So you admit you don't debate in the context of the forum rules?

Cool.

Clearly you don't, which is the issue at hand. They fight IN CHARACTER... you know that little rule we have on this forum.. the one you seem to be trying to skate around unsuccessfully. ya know, that rule? So when Flash gets tagged all the time when we think he shouldn't... That's in his character to do so. It's as simple as that. Just like if somebody is predisposed to giving a monologue during a fight... or acting cocky and losing. Even though they always start out dominating and appearing like they have the fight in hand... it's IN character for them to eventually lose by being a moron. Same thing here... You can clamor on and on about how strong superman is.. and how fast he is all you want. The reality is.. he's portrayed as a peer to Marvel... adam.. Orion and others... he's been feeb'd vastly more times than Thanos has for whatever reason. No matter what the reason it happens routinely. I know you hate it, and it cause superman to lose against Thanos 10/10 but that's just the way the cookie crumbles bud... Superman is who we thought he was.

Originally posted by Juntai
I never said low end Superman would take a majority against Thanos. You extrapolated that out of my saying he would "get some wins" in the middle of the other stuff I was writing. Semantics.

Who of the two has a winning record against skyfather and up level characters with his own power?

Glad to see you dropped that logical line of progression. I would've done so myself. So, now that we've established the majority is usually right as opposed to wrong.... We can move on and wait for an answer to my question... Who's gotten feeb'd more... Thanos or superman ?

Before we cover them up and pretend like they didn't happen, I wanna chuckle at these one more time.

One Punch citing non-canon material and trying to pass it off in a debate thinking comic nerds wouldn't notice:

Originally posted by One-Punch
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In your scan where Surfer is fighting Red Shift in the heart of a black hole, Surfer is actually weakened:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-14.jpg

Surfer has also gone directly into the center of a [b]black hole filled with anti-matter and came out unscathed.

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Originally posted by Juntai
That's cute, but Epic Magazine and Epic Comics imprint stories are specifically non-continuity stories. It was an imprint of creator owned work, or mature stories that didn't fit in the MU.

And Blue Area Vet either;
A) Not understanding comics as he reads them.
B) Purposely lying about events.
C) Debating about comics he's never actually read.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Um, he beat her in a distanced psi battle. She was bleeding from her nose and he was smiling like he just won a new car.

Originally posted by Juntai
wut

Shit is too funny.
Especially when they go around cheerleading each other while they troll.

At least I have Thanosi and Celey in this thread to actually be able to go back and forth with a little and try. And while we may not agree on every point, at least we present them and discuss it and the whys.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Clearly you don't, which is the issue at hand. They fight IN CHARACTER... you know that little rule we have on this forum.. the one you seem to be trying to skate around unsuccessfully. ya know, that rule? So when Flash gets tagged all the time when we think he shouldn't... That's in his character to do so. It's as simple as that. Just like if somebody is predisposed to giving a monologue during a fight... or acting cocky and losing. Even though they always start out dominating and appearing like they have the fight in hand... it's IN character for them to eventually lose by being a moron. Same thing here... You can clamor on and on about how strong superman is.. and how fast he is all you want. The reality is.. he's portrayed as a peer to Marvel... adam.. Orion and others... he's been feeb'd vastly more times than Thanos has for whatever reason. No matter what the reason it happens routinely. I know you hate it, and it cause superman to lose against Thanos 10/10 but that's just the way the cookie crumbles bud... Superman is who we thought he was.

Full capacity means we're able to use him at his fastest. [Hint, at his fast, he will never be tagged by Green Arrow]

In character means he's not going to start busting out wild extravigant combinations and extrapolations of his Speed Force powers out of the gate and fight completely bloodlusted without care for his enemy/surroundings.

Originally posted by Juntai
Before we cover them up and pretend like they didn't happen, I wanna chuckle at these one more time.

One Punch citing non-canon material and trying to pass it off in a debate thinking comic nerds wouldn't notice:

Stan Lee (and other writers) have written multiple separate graphic novels for Surfer intended for mature audiences as well. Are you going to assume they're not in continuity either?

Do you have any reference that "The Answer" wasn't canon in anyway? Or are you solely basing its non-canon status on the book being "for mature" audiences? I'd like to know.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Who's gotten feeb'd more... Thanos or superman ?

This is merely a deterrent to you failing to accept that Superman is more powerful, and fights and wins against more powerful enemies, in a bracket where Thanos gets smacked around in.

Now who of the two can fight and win against skyfathers heads up, no prep, under their own power?

Originally posted by One-Punch
Epic Illustrated was a random collection of comic stories geared toward more mature audience. But just because it was geared toward mature audiences doesn't prove it's not in continuity.

Stan Lee (and other writers) have written multiple separate graphic novels for Surfer intended for mature audiences as well. Are you going to assume they're not in continuity either?

Do you have any reference that "The Answer" wasn't canon in anyway? Or are you solely basing its non-canon status on the book being "for mature" audiences? I'd like to know.

You'd need to prove comics from this line ARE in continuity rather than the other way.

Same way Punisher MAX is in a world where the other Superheros don't exist.
It doesn't take place in 616. It's a standalone adult imprint title.

Other imprints are non-continuity.

Originally posted by Juntai
You're not understanding in character/full capacity.

Full capacity means we're able to use him at his fastest. [Hint, at his fast, he will never be tagged by Green Arrow]

In character means he's not going to start busting out wild extravigant combinations and extrapolations of his Speed Force powers out of the gate and fight completely bloodlusted without care for his enemy/surroundings.

You're not understanding the rule... yes that is ONE aspect of in character, but it also means how they fight. For example, if we see Superman for example let the bad guy initially pound on him or beat him the first time... then he comes back to win the next time they meet... Doesn't mean the first encounter didn't happen. Doesn't mean Supes doesn't usually initially feel a guy out and sometimes it costs him that first fight. Even if it doesn't cost him the first fight, he still allowed himself to be hit more than he should before he ramped it up. Well him doing so, could give him a lose in some fights because their are certain people you wouldn't want to just take hits from before you step it up.

We see this all the time in real life sports... some teams typically start off slow before turning it on... sometimes they don't have enough time or have given away too many points they can't come back from it. So in character also means how they typically fight. Just like in the example I used.. if somebody typically monologues during a fight... and that ends up costing them sometimes... guess what... that's how he fight. We don't discount that because we don't like it. No, that's in character for him to do so.

First off,if supes takes on a dc 'skyfather' one on one and wins,then clearly that person is not a skyfather level,either that,or the meaning of skyfather in DC and marvel are very different...I would love to see supes beat odin,pluto/mephisto in their own realms through brute force..

Either that,or u just paste everyone supes beats as skyfathers as a folly to hype him up.

Originally posted by Juntai
The Epic line was creator owned work and a couple mature books of Marvel characters. Most of the comics and characters featured don't even exist in Marvel U.

You'd need to prove comics from this line ARE in continuity rather than the other way.

Same way Punisher MAX is in a world where the other Superheros don't exist.
It doesn't take place in 616. It's a standalone adult imprint title.

Other imprints are non-continuity.

I assumed it was canon because it was part of the Official Marvel trade paperback of Silver Surfer Vol. 3, which is when Surfer was free from Galactus' barrier.

Originally posted by Juntai
The Epic line was creator owned work and a couple mature books of Marvel characters. Most of the comics and characters featured don't even exist in Marvel U.

You'd need to prove comics from this line ARE in continuity rather than the other way.

Same way Punisher MAX is in a world where the other Superheros don't exist.
It doesn't take place in 616. It's a standalone adult imprint title.

Other imprints are non-continuity.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Pretty sure Thor Vikings a MAX imprint is in continuity. Brutal as phukk, but canon nonetheless.

Is it good?
That sounds up my alley.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're not understanding the rule... yes that is ONE aspect of in character, but it also means how they fight. For example, if we see Superman for example let the bad guy initially pound on him or beat him the first time... then he comes back to win the next time they meet... Doesn't mean the first encounter didn't happen. Doesn't mean Supes doesn't usually initially feel a guy out and sometimes it costs him that first fight. Even if it doesn't cost him the first fight, he still allowed himself to be hit more than he should before he ramped it up. Well him doing so, could give him a lose in some fights because their are certain people you wouldn't want to just take hits from before you step it up.

We see this all the time in real life sports... some teams typically start off slow before turning it on... sometimes they don't have enough time or have given away too many points they can't come back from it. So in character also means how they typically fight. Just like in the example I used.. if somebody typically monologues during a fight... and that ends up costing them sometimes... guess what... that's how he fight. We don't discount that because we don't like it. No, that's in character for him to do so.

I can use Microsoft paint to draw diagrams on a few Flash scans if you need help.

They aren't going to fight completely out of character, bloodlusted, using combinations of skills they wouldn't normally, etc, but they are fighting at optimum power, and to the best of their ability, to win.

These are clearly laid out in the rules.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're not understanding the rule... yes that is ONE aspect of in character, but it also means how they fight. For example, if we see Superman for example let the bad guy initially pound on him or beat him the first time... then he comes back to win the next time they meet... Doesn't mean the first encounter didn't happen. Doesn't mean Supes doesn't usually initially feel a guy out and sometimes it costs him that first fight. Even if it doesn't cost him the first fight, he still allowed himself to be hit more than he should before he ramped it up. Well him doing so, could give him a lose in some fights because their are certain people you wouldn't want to just take hits from before you step it up.

We see this all the time in real life sports... some teams typically start off slow before turning it on... sometimes they don't have enough time or have given away too many points they can't come back from it. So in character also means how they typically fight. Just like in the example I used.. if somebody typically monologues during a fight... and that ends up costing them sometimes... guess what... that's how he fight. We don't discount that because we don't like it. No, that's in character for him to do so.

Superman actually is shown fighting to the best of his ability in comics, which is contrary to how you are saying he fights (dumb as hell).

Juggs or rhino will fight dumb but will fight at the smartest of their dumbness. I use correct logic, not correct English. I grant myself the power to change words in English since I'm a man and it was a man who created the words.

Also. Concerning your debate with the other guy;

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you claiming every writer has written superman to have mental blocks fluctuating his strength? If not, then your question is moot. We know plenty of writers haven't written him that way. Most of his writers for Superman's history haven't written him that way. So why would I focus on specific writers who have written him that way and try and analyze those select cases?

Byrne did.
Jurgens did.
Johns did.
Kelly did.
Giffen did.
Waid did.
Leob did.
Ordway did.
Rucka did.
etc.

These are many of the longest running writers on post Crisis Superman[even without the others I didn't mention]. In fact, if you line them up on the years they were writing Superman, they would completely if not damn near carry us from 1985 till today with one of them on Superman. [Johns is still on Superman, Giffen and Jurgers were both on Superman books recently also. etc]

If a few others come along and don't casually mention it somewhere doesn't make it stop existing.

If a writer hops on to Thor and he doesn't shoot lightning for an arc, we don't suddenly pretend that shit doesn't exist.

It's part of his character in canon.

Just like Superman vaulting up his power based on anger/stress/will/desire.

Every time you see Superman doing crazy things like walking through the magic barrage and reality warping of Blaze like it's not happening, stepping up to fight Doomsday, or slapping Imperiex probes in half like they were made of paper, it is the result of this particular part of him. He gets upset and stops holding back.

It is written into the backbone of his continuity post crisis as solidly as Freeze Breath is.

This entire position is a grasp at straws and completely undefendable.

Get over it.

Originally posted by Juntai
.....At least I have Thanosi and Celey in this thread to actually be able to go back and forth with a little and try. And while we may not agree on every point, at least we present them and discuss it and the whys.

😂 so much goodness in that post.

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