sentry defeating molecule man is the dumbest shit ive ever seen. like worse than surfer getting beat by a mexican with a hammer, or batman wetting himself. post retcon molecule man is trans multiversal. sentry loses 10/10. sentry doesnt even have the feats to contend with molecule man in this area of expertise let alone beat him
Agreed. 👆
Additionally, this bio confirms that Owen was in a weakened mental state when he confronted Sentry, therefore was operating at a sub-standard level:
http://i.imgur.com/LfMc2Zk.png
"When he's up, he is nigh-omnipotent and able to challenge the likes of the Beyonder. When he's down, he's powerful, but can be overcome by the likes of the Sentry."
And even then, Sentry waited until Owen was distracted before attacking him:
http://i.imgur.com/opJQVjG.png
"While he was side-tracked, the Sentry reconstituted himself and played Reece at his own game, manipulating molecules and controlling matter."
So yeah, peak Owen stomps w/o much effort.
Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed. 👆Additionally, this bio confirms that Owen was in a weakened mental state when he confronted Sentry, therefore was operating at a sub-standard level:
http://i.imgur.com/LfMc2Zk.png
"When he's up, he is nigh-omnipotent and able to challenge the likes of the Beyonder. When he's down, he's powerful, but can be overcome by the likes of the Sentry."And even then, Sentry waited until Owen was distracted before attacking him:
http://i.imgur.com/opJQVjG.png
"While he was side-tracked, the Sentry reconstituted himself and played Reece at his own game, manipulating molecules and controlling matter."So yeah, peak Owen stomps w/o much effort.
Where u get those from
Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed. 👆Additionally, this bio confirms that Owen was in a weakened mental state when he confronted Sentry, therefore was operating at a sub-standard level:
http://i.imgur.com/LfMc2Zk.png
"When he's up, he is nigh-omnipotent and able to challenge the likes of the Beyonder. When he's down, he's powerful, but can be overcome by the likes of the Sentry."And even then, Sentry waited until Owen was distracted before attacking him:
http://i.imgur.com/opJQVjG.png
"While he was side-tracked, the Sentry reconstituted himself and played Reece at his own game, manipulating molecules and controlling matter."So yeah, peak Owen stomps w/o much effort.
Agreed Owen stomps with ease, but opinionated biographies posted as facts to defend the case is a poor example.
Originally posted by tkitnaThe bios are stating facts from the story, not giving opinions. srsly
Agreed Owen stomps with ease, but opinionated biographies posted as facts to defend the case is a poor example.
And all the bios state is what most already knew: that Owen's power was neutered when Sentry beat him, because he was in an unstable mental state... Which is an opinion you seem to share anyway.
Poor example, though? Lol.
Originally posted by Galan007
Did they retell on-panel happenings inaccurately? 🙂
Well I dont remember anybody during the storyline flat out saying Owen was having a bad day and thats the only reason Sentry beat him, but its been awhile since i've read it. I believe the writer of the biographies and all of us are assuming something was wrong with Owen because of his past feats (me included), but nobody wants to assume that maybe Bob really is just that powerful with abilities he doesnt or hasent displayed up to that point. It works both ways.
In hindsight, I believe Owen was not at his peak mental capabilities during the fight. As a matter of fact, the only character I can think of that has a severe mental issue like that would be,,,,,the Sentry. (Oh crap)
Originally posted by tkitnaOwen was glaringly unstable during that series. Someone who is stable doesn't manifest his split personalities as tangible heroes/villains, and have them accompany him everywhere. That said, it is a preexisting canon fact that Owen's abilities fluctuate in accordance with his mental stability.
Well I dont remember anybody during the storyline flat out saying Owen was having a bad day and thats the only reason Sentry beat him, but its been awhile since i've read it. I believe the writer of the biographies and all of us are assuming something was wrong with Owen because of his past feats (me included), but nobody wants to assume that maybe Bob really is just that powerful with abilities he doesnt or hasent displayed up to that point. It works both ways.In hindsight, I believe Owen was not at his peak mental capabilities during the fight. As a matter of fact, the only character I can think of that has a severe mental issue like that would be,,,,,the Sentry. (Oh crap)
So again: the bios stated facts, not opinions... Facts that you seem to agree with, btw, so I don't know why you're still arguing with me..? 🙂
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Okay, he wins. It happened in comics.
And that's disregarding the context of how Owen was mentally. Owen suffered much in the same way Sentry did. He wasn't depowered (as Brevoort has confirmed that it was a regular Molecule Man). But he was weakened by his mental state.
Much like the Sentry is when he is mentally unstable he has a block on his full power and he's afraid to use it. MM isn't afraid I would say but he just lacks the comprehension to use it when he's unstable.
This doesn't mean what Sentry did was not impressive. He still did beat Owen at his own game. But I wouldn't say it was a Trans Multiversal Owen that he defeated.
I wouldn't hesitate at all to say Owen was easily in the Trans Tier during the fight.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
And that's disregarding the context of how Owen was mentally. Owen suffered much in the same way Sentry did. He wasn't depowered (as Brevoort has confirmed that it was a regular Molecule Man). But he [B]was weakened by his mental state.Much like the Sentry is when he is mentally unstable he has a block on his full power and he's afraid to use it. MM isn't afraid I would say but he just lacks the comprehension to use it when he's unstable.
This doesn't mean what Sentry did was not impressive. He still did beat Owen at his own game. But I wouldn't say it was a Trans Multiversal Owen that he defeated.
I wouldn't hesitate at all to say Owen was easily in the Trans Tier during the fight. [/B]
I don't think the author tried to hard to make a weakened mental state obvious. Just screams of an excuse, and I mean for ANY character. A strong mind helps you in a fight, correct? Hell, don't give the Superman fans another excuse.
Weak mindset or not, Owen is the master of his power set. Sentry was less than a neophyte, he didn't even know how he was doing the stuff he did. Owen should have DOMINATED him, and he lost. What happens when Sentry gains just a little experience?
