Peak Molecule Man vs. Peak Sentry

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Impasse ?

Man... I have ALL BIOS and I have read everything that I need about the topic Sentry Vs Molecule Man so if you say that you have that bio in your copy of "Avengers NOW !" you are just lying a bit.

Then prove it. I can also say that you're lying.

I have twice as many bios as exist. And have read them no less than five times each.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Only his mental blocks related to his abilities can stop him to use his power at his best.

I'm not flaming. I'm just pointing out how fast you run on some informations without checking if your source is good or not.

You're definitely flaming. You're clearly upset. Calm down. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then prove it. I can also say that you're lying.

I have twice as many bios as exist. And have read them no less than five times each.

I'm not the one whom have to prove that my source is right as I'm not the one whom posted this.

By the way, a simple google search and maybe checking the marvel previews could help you to see what have been eidted as Marvel Handbooks until now.

Originally posted by Galan007
Which is EXACTLY what the bio says... Which was EXACTLY the case in the story itself. Did you even read it, lol? 🙂

You're definitely flaming. You're clearly upset. Calm down. 👆

You are mixing mental state and mental blocks.

That's two different things.

Guys it really is a moot point, Sentry can't win either way.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Owen (although severely weakened) did "dominate" him, until Owen was distracted by a nuke. (pis)

First off, I realize Owen would own Sentry in every aspect, so that's a nonissue here (sorry for badgering you about it Galan), but I have just a few questions or thoughts.

1. How do characters give themselves mental blocks? Wouldn't you think the first sign of despair would tear them down? Just always thought that was stupid.

2. Yes, Owen was owning Sentry, but how frustrating and frightening would it be to you if your opponent kept popping back up after you have dispersed him? Can you really beat something like that?

3. As said before, Owen was owning Sentry, but Bob was learning his powers on the fly. At the end of the confrontation, it appeared that whatever Owen could do, Bob could do better at that point. I guess my point is, the only reason Owen was dominating Bob, was because Bob didn't know what he was doing. It seemed in the end that Bob had the powerset to compete and win.

I realize the MM is an uber character and we shouldn't even be having this conversation, but here we are.

^^Actually Owen's mental issues have been explained retroactively by New Avengers-
His mental blocks and fluctuations in power due to mental trauma are due to the fact that ever since his simultaneous accident in every universe, he instructed Doom and gave him a weapon to hunt him down and kill him across all reality in order to start the incursions, and because he's a single being linked across all realities this completely screwed with his mind.

But yeah peak MM stomps.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Okay, he wins. It happened in comics. And the reason Sentry gets a bad rap is because he's a poorly thought out character who continues to change according to the story.

Originally posted by tkitna

1. How do characters give themselves mental blocks?
Wouldn't you think the first sign of despair would tear them down?

Owen consciously mentally blocked him from manifesting years prior to Sentry.

I wouldn't know if Kaminski's Owen Reece (above) relates to Hickman's in anyway though.

Originally posted by tkitna

2. Yes, Owen was owning Sentry, but how frustrating and frightening would it be to you
if your opponent kept popping back up after you have dispersed him? Can you really beat something like that?

Originally posted by tkitna

3. As said before, Owen was owning Sentry, but Bob was learning his powers on the fly. At the end of the confrontation, it appeared that whatever Owen could do, Bob could do better at that point. I guess my point is, the only reason Owen was dominating Bob, was because Bob didn't know what he was doing. It seemed in the end that Bob had the powerset to compete and win.

Imo though, it would take a far bigger 'gun' to beat pre-Hickman's Molecule Man or even mentally stable Owen Reece.

I heard Hickman's Owen Reece is 'universal' ... he should be able to win every time as-well.

Originally posted by tkitna

I realize the MM is an uber character and we shouldn't even be having this conversation, but here we are.

Sentry did have the power to compete with MM..that is, the version of MM that he was fighting. Which wasn't anywhere near his peak.

Likewise, how does a character give themselves mental blocks? Same way they fly and shoot lasers out of their eyeballs.