Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018) · Movie Discussion

Quincy Debaser

Originally posted by Surtur
I will say if the movie leads to more appearances of Maul..the film was worth it.
I am seeing people say this did poorly due to "Star Wars fatigue".

This "Fatigue" shit seems made up.

I mean the concept in general. People thought folks were getting"Marvel Fatigue" each time a movie came out that made a little less. It never lasted once a real good film comes out.

BvS and the majority of the new DC films didn't due poorly because of any "fatigue." It's because they weren't very good. That's what I think is happening with Solo. It just isn't very good.

They all have flashes of brilliance and bright spots (the DC films included) but just miss the mark.

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I d agree it isn’t fatigue. It is a number of variables as I discussed earlier which all led to this imo. Filoni needs to take over the reins.

Kurk Restricted

Originally posted by quanchi112
I d agree it isn’t fatigue. It is a number of variables as I discussed earlier which all led to this imo. Filoni needs to take over the reins.

Filoni destroyed Maul's character lol. Why do you want him to get involved? It was Lucas who held Filoni back from completely ruining his character in The Clone Wars. Then he had free reign over Rebels and we saw what happened.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Kurk
Filoni destroyed Maul's character lol. Why do you want him to get involved? It was Lucas who held Filoni back from completely ruining his character in The Clone Wars. Then he had free reign over Rebels and we saw what happened.

I disagree. Filoni fleshed him out. I do not think growth is ruining the character. It was believable what happened to Maul after his exile but he’s a survivor and still is cunning enough to draw Kenobi out. He’s not at his best but no ones prime ever lasts forever. People look at this strictly from a battleboard perspective.

Filoni won’t be personally directing the films but I want him at the helm not Kennedy.

Dr Will Hatch Senior Member

Originally posted by Quincy
This "Fatigue" shit seems made up.
I mean the concept in general. People thought folks were getting"Marvel Fatigue" each time a movie came out that made a little less. It never lasted once a real good film comes out.
BvS and the majority of the new DC films didn't due poorly because of any "fatigue." It's because they weren't very good. That's what I think is happening with Solo. It just isn't very good.
They all have flashes of brilliance and bright spots (the DC films included) but just miss the mark.

I actually think there is a fatigue setting in. The MCU isn't the best comparison because the Marvel Universe is a sprawling universe with thousands of characters, many of whom exist entirely independent of each other. The comics have always been this way, so it's expected. Star Wars is a sprawling universe too, but they keep spinning their wheels, telling the same exact stories over and over again or in the case of Rogue One and Solo, they are just a series of callbacks to earlier films. There's little to no innovation happening in these movies, and when they DO try to innovate, they are shitty innovations like turning Luke into a washed up has been.

ares834 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
He fits in entirely since this is about the criminal underworld. Know your Star Wars history, bum.

As a Han Solo villain he is terrible. Han isn't about Force stuff whereas Maul is.

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Originally posted by ares834
As a Han Solo villain he is terrible. Han isn't about Force stuff whereas Maul is.

He wasn’t his villain you moron. Watch the film. It’s like saying the Darth Vader scene interacting with Han shouldn’t happen because Vader has the force. For ****s sake they can cross paths. Han’s mortal enemy isn’t Maul.

ares834 Senior Member

He wasn’t his villain you moron. Watch the film. It’s like saying the Darth Vader scene interacting with Han shouldn’t happen because Vader has the force. For ****s sake they can cross paths. Han’s mortal enemy isn’t Maul.

Ironic. I did watch the film and it's quite clear they were setting him up a villain for future films. Think before you type. 🙂

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by ares834
Ironic. I did watch the film and it's quite clear they were setting him up a villain for future films. Think before you type. 🙂

Not for Solo specifically. I’m sure Kenobi or some other ot character would have Maul in it than some Solo sequel that won’t happen now anyway. Now the general audience knows he’s still alive.

ares834 Senior Member

Yes specifically. At the end he tells Kira to come to Dathomir so they can discuss what they will do with Han. The intent is clear.

And like I said before, he can't appear in the Kenobi spin off as a villain as he doesn't learn that Kenobi survived Order 66 until Rebels.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by ares834
Yes specifically. At the end he tells Kira to come to Dathomir so they can discuss what they will do with Han. The intent is clear.
And like I said before, he can't appear in the Kenobi spin off as a villain as he doesn't learn that Kenobi survived Order 66 until Rebels.

We don’t know when the Kenobi film will be set. They can also show more of their final duel in the films than the show showed ala a soft retcon as to the details. The failure of Solo changes a lot though since it utterly failed. I’d personally love a Maul solo film. That would show balls and film from his perspective would so work. He’s still one of the best and most popular Star Wars villains to date. Lucas really dropped the ball killing him. At least he came to his senses and allowed his resurrection.

ares834 Senior Member

It doesn't matter when it's set. Unless they retcon Rebels, Kenobi and Maul can't meet.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by ares834
It doesn't matter when it's set. Unless they retcon Rebels, Kenobi and Maul can't meet.

They can soft retcon it expanding on the details and what both characters were doing prior to their final duel. If they do the Kenobi film who else would be the villain? Maul makes perfect sense.

Quincy Debaser

The implication Quan was in fact that Darth Maul would be the “main villain” of the purported Solo trilogy.

That may not pan out anymore, but that’s how Story works. And that’s why I didn’t think the cameo was that exciting to me.

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Originally posted by Quincy
The implication Quan was in fact that Darth Maul would be the “main villain” of the purported Solo trilogy.
That may not pan out anymore, but that’s how Story works. And that’s why I didn’t think the cameo was that exciting to me.

I don’t believe it would have just been Solo up against Maul but we may never know becsuse they won’t just go the Solo route again. Stupid idea to center a film about him to begin with.

CPT Space Bomb Emperor Doom

From 247 million to 84 million opening weekends... The force is not Strong with Kathleen Kennedy.

NotAllThatEvil perpetual new guy.

I actually enjoyed this movie much more than either force awakens or last Jedi. It might be because I'm a sucker for gun twirling gunslingers, but I felt it was fun if not predictable.

I'm also kinda hoping maul and Vader somehow meet and face off. Prequel over the top gymnastics vs og slower sword technique with reliance on force powers. Both are more entertaining than what ever the sequel trilogy is doing.

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**** Darth Vader. Maul would get in that spoiled brats face and slap him around.

Darth Thor Senior Member

I mean even fighting Vader is a bit of a retcon tbh.

But who the f*** else is gonna take on Obi-Wan in his Prime?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I mean even fighting Vader is a bit of a retcon tbh.
But who the f*** else is gonna take on Obi-Wan in his Prime?

In Obi’s prime he was skill wise beaten by Maul and looked worse in the clone wars. Later both past their prime we see what happened. Vader bested an outside of Kenobi’s prime because he allowed it. Vader is vastly overrated we need to look at the context.