Oregon Now Allowing 15 yr. olds to get a sex change without parental consent

So holy shit, this is what the country has come to. Want your dick cut off? Tax payers cover it. Parental permission? Nah, the shrink has final say apparently. Since obviously the shrink raised the kids, clothed the kids, fed them, gave them a home.

And people think the tax payers should pay for this bullshit? No..just, no. You want you dick cut off, you foot the bill. You want something you NEED done? Fine.

This is utterly going too far and it's a problem if people don't see it. We are not talking about anything needed. No, it's not even the same as reconstructing a friggin boob if you had them removed due to cancer or something.

So if you got dick cancer and need it cut off then fine, paid for. Otherwise there is no excuse for this. Mental well being? So now every fat chick I know can go get free lipo, right? It would sure help their mental well being. I know some Italian chicks who would love a nosejob, their mental health would benefit too.

The only two people on here actually taking side with this is someone from Germany and another with a identity crisis, others have wanted to side step the issue because they agree, but don't want to come out and say it.

I dunno man, sounds like saying "well your soup only had one turd in it". Even one is going too far to me. But meh, hey I'm all for it if they will now provide free plastic surgery for everyone. What a wonderful country this would be if everyone could get free plastic surgery.

Girls could get themselves some new titties at age 15, what's not to love? But damn, if you think teachers are banging their students now just wait.

Originally posted by Surtur
I dunno man, sounds like saying "well your soup only had one turd in it". Even one is going too far to me. But meh, hey I'm all for it if they will now provide free plastic surgery for everyone. What a wonderful country this would be if everyone could get free plastic surgery.

Girls could get themselves some new titties at age 15., what's not to love? But damn, if you think teachers are banging their students now just wait.

Bardock thinks everything should be free and the government should take care of everyone. Its sad, because he's not alone, obviously.

I wasn't aware Germany gave out free sex changes to 15 yr. olds. Learn something new everyday.

That's my big question, when does this stop. If this should be free then so should everything else because this is elective. Food should be free, housing, movie tickets, gym memberships. The whole deal.

I'd love for everything to be free. Of course, we'd need to all sell our souls to Satan in order to get enough money to even come close to doing that. But then who needs a soul?

But anyways, nobody even seems to get this is trolling the trans teens, so even the people supporting this make me scratch my damn head. Ignoring everything else, how in the hell does a teen do all this without a parent knowing? That was the big thing that silly woman was going on about "it will prevent suicides because parents won't have to know". If the kids parents wouldn't notice their child suddenly taking hormones and dressing like the opposite sex and all that..the least of their problems is the inability to get a sex change.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'd love for everything to be free. Of course, we'd need to all sell our souls to Satan in order to get enough money to even come close to doing that. But then who needs a soul?

But anyways, nobody even seems to get this is trolling the trans teens, so even the people supporting this make me scratch my damn head. Ignoring everything else, how in the hell does a teen do all this without a parent knowing? That was the big thing that silly woman was going on about "it will prevent suicides because parents won't have to know". If the kids parents wouldn't notice their child suddenly taking hormones and dressing like the opposite sex and all that..the least of their problems is the inability to get a sex change.

This whole prevent suicides thing is a cop out and an excuse they can use to fund their wacko thinking.

I just think if you are going to argue this should be paid for by the tax payers because it would help with the "mental well being" of the person will just lead to all kinds of problems. Feeling you are in the wrong kind of body is not the only thing that can cause a person to have mental issues due to physical appearance.

But then of course you know what this leads to? People trying to say "well this thing is different then that other thing" to excuse this. If a person says a sex change should be free and I say then a boob job should too and they say it "isn't the same" it just shows the problem. I guarantee you some people would rationalize it that way.

Since..no, you can't even claim that. We have over 300 million people in this country, and some of them do have serious mental issues due to their own body images etc. But I could guarantee you some of the people supporting this would try to separate a sex change from the other types of cosmetic surgery and make no mistake: that is exactly what it is. So then not only do we have the contend with the ridiculousness of this whole idea in general, but then with the situation of trying to judge just what mental health issues should be covered when it comes to cosmetic surgery.

But for this to of even come into place at all just shows..it is getting out of hand. Keep in mind this happened back in January but for some reason it stayed hidden for months. I'm all for free stuff, who doesn't love free shit? But then it should all be free, anything to do with medical..whether it is needed or not. You can't tell one person they can get free cosmetic surgery to deal with their mental issues and yet another one that their mental issues just aren't good enough to warrant free surgery.

They also outright lie to people by claiming kids can get this done without parental permission, but conveniently leave out all the requirements that make that utterly impossible. If this was about preventing suicide due to the parents not understanding then they wouldn't force them to have to live as the other gender for a year and all that.

Originally posted by Surtur
I just think if you are going to argue this should be paid for by the tax payers because it would help with the "mental well being" of the person will just lead to all kinds of problems. Feeling you are in the wrong kind of body is not the only thing that can cause a person to have mental issues due to physical appearance.

But then of course you know what this leads to? People trying to say "well this thing is different then that other thing" to excuse this. If a person says a sex change should be free and I say then a boob job should too and they say it "isn't the same" it just shows the problem. I guarantee you some people would rationalize it that way.

Since..no, you can't even claim that. We have over 300 million people in this country, and some of them do have serious mental issues due to their own body images etc. But I could guarantee you some of the people supporting this would try to separate a sex change from the other types of cosmetic surgery and make no mistake: that is exactly what it is. So then not only do we have the contend with the ridiculousness of this whole idea in general, but then with the situation of trying to judge just what mental health issues should be covered when it comes to cosmetic surgery.

But for this to of even come into place at all just shows..it is getting out of hand. Keep in mind this happened back in January but for some reason it stayed hidden for months. I'm all for free stuff, who doesn't love free shit? But then it should all be free, anything to do with medical..whether it is needed or not. You can't tell one person they can get free cosmetic surgery to deal with their mental issues and yet another one that their mental issues just aren't good enough to warrant free surgery.

They also outright lie to people by claiming kids can get this done without parental permission, but conveniently leave out all the requirements that make that utterly impossible. If this was about preventing suicide due to the parents not understanding then they wouldn't force them to have to live as the other gender for a year and all that.

Also I think your confusing the idea of knowing with consent. All this means is that the child can do go through the steps without having to have parental permission that does not equate to the parent not knowing.

As for the topic itself. I don't know where I stand on it. From the sounds of it this stuff can be really intense for the person and getting the transformation earlier can help but this is a major life altering decision.

Personally I would rather leave it up to the people who know this topic better to decide what the best course of action is.

Originally posted by Newjak
They are different though. Pretending they are the exact same is just as bad as pretending they are completely different. There is some overlap but I would think living as a different gender has a much higher strain on the mind then not having big enough boobs.

You just proved my point perfectly, because who the hell decides what level of strain a person is feeling, and which conditions merit more or less strain. That is why this is so silly. You'd essentially be telling people who get turned away that their aren't mentally unhealthy enough to receive free needless surgery, but these other people over there are mentally unhealthy enough so they get it.

I mean, I think that is actually some arrogance for us to sit down and now judge the mental strain of things. Especially since different people can be strained out by the same issue, but they all won't have similar levels of strain.

Oh and also how do you go about proving one person doesn't have the mental strain of a transgender? You couldn't even use statistics of studies involving other people to show people with transgender issues are more mentally unhealthy then(insert whatever other body issues might cause someone to want cosmetic surgery) because each individual is different. You can't generalize when it comes to mental health.

So you see the clusterf*ck that could already potentially come out of this? It could also lead to lawsuits, people who feel transgenders were given preferential treatment over people with other mental health issues. It could lead to all kinds of negative things that outweigh any positives that could ever come out of this.

Also I think your confusing the idea of knowing with consent. All this means is that the child can do go through the steps without having to have parental permission that does not equate to the parent not knowing.

I'm not confusing anything because this is exactly the way a lot of people defending this acted. Just look at the link to see the utter misdirection. You have a woman going on about how this is important to prevent suicide because the parents might not be supportive. But uh, they won't be supportive even if they don't have to give permission. I mean I don't want to pay for this, but even I find that a little bit cruel to make it seem like they can get this without parental permission easy peasy.

I mean hell, legally, couldn't a parent forbid their child from taking medicine that is not needed, like hormones? Or do we take away that right as well? What if they refuse to buy their child clothes for the opposite gender. Can't live as the opposite gender if you don't look the part, so what then? Parents are forced to buy specific clothes too?

Or what stops a parent from moving out of Oregon so their child can't do this? If I'm a parent and I am against my 15 yr. old kid getting a sex change and the friggin government tries to tell me they don't need my consent in Oregon, well that would be it for Oregon. We'd be gone the next day. This won't stop parents that are truly not supportive with this, not by a long shot. The parents vehemently against this would absolutely take such measures to prevent it. So what, we pass this in every state?

As for the topic itself. I don't know where I stand on it. From the sounds of it this stuff can be really intense for the person and getting the transformation earlier can help but this is a major life altering decision.

Personally I would rather leave it up to the people who know this topic better to decide what the best course of action is.

But at the end of the day we are still being expected to pay for a persons cosmetic surgery. Cosmetic surgery is cosmetic surgery. Just because it's a more major operation doesn't make it any less cosmetic surgery. I don't want to pay for a guys new vagina or a womans new boobs or this guys new pec implants or any of that.

I'm also very weary of any parent that would actually support this. This link is old, but I feel we should doing shit like this a LOT more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254924/Mother-Florida-abandoned-children-hotel-room-banned-having-babies.html

Why don't we do this more often?!?!?!?! They actually BANNED her from having kids for the duration of her probation(13 years) and the b*tch still said in court she wanted even more kids! She was hesitant to take a damn deal to keep her out of prison because she wanted to pump out even more children into this world for her to neglect, etc.

Tbf the reasoning behind it is sound, as puberty makes transgenderism far more difficult and I'd rather my taxes go toward helping children than another suicide prevention class.

That said I also think 16 should be considered adulthood, if you can drive a rolling death machine, you should be 100% considered an adult legally.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Tbf the reasoning behind it is sound, as puberty makes transgenderism far more difficult and I'd rather my taxes go toward helping children than another suicide prevention class.

That said I also think 16 should be considered adulthood, if you can drive a rolling death machine, you should be 100% considered an adult legally.

Just my opinion.

Somewhat. Physiologically, they aren't fully developed until almost 25, but for this, perhaps 15-16 is enough time for them to know.

Okay just to note she was not specifically banned, it was just that if she got pregnant she'd be put back in prison. This needs to be done more, with men and women.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Tbf the reasoning behind it is sound, as puberty makes transgenderism far more difficult and I'd rather my taxes go toward helping children than another suicide prevention class.

That said I also think 16 should be considered adulthood, if you can drive a rolling death machine, you should be 100% considered an adult legally.

Just my opinion.

So uh if puberty makes transgenderism more difficult why can't it make..the myriad of other mental health issues related to your body more difficult? You see? Who gets to judge that? How do you get to say one child is going to have an easier time then another? Especially when some teens tend to hide how much they are truly suffering.

But we still end up with the point of: we are paying for their cosmetic surgery. Their bodies will not physically shut down if they fail to receive this.

Also, as I said: teens are dumb as f*ck. A 16 yr. isn't any more wise then a 15 yr. old, and make no mistake: a 16 yr. old isn't that wise to begin with. Plus you talk about driving a rolling death machine, but you realize these kids could get a sex change before they can get into a friggin R rated movie, right? They aren't even old enough to join the military, but they can sure make a life altering decision such as a sex change because..reasons. They can't buy a damn wine cooler until they are 21, but sex change is totally kosher.

I am all for trying to help those with any type of mental illness or mental health issues, but anything in life can be taken too far, and now we've seen it here with this. Changes need to be made before it spreads to the rest of the states. I can't even believe I'm even discussing a day when a 15 yr. old might be able to get a sex change without parental consent in this state, for free. A year ago I would of bet fairies and pixies have a better chance of being real..then that happening.

Originally posted by Surtur
So uh if puberty makes transgenderism more difficult why can't it make..the myriad of other mental health issues related to your body more difficult? You see? Who gets to judge that? How do you get to say one child is going to have an easier time then another?

The reason puberty makes it more difficult is because you physically chance and adapt the physical traits of your gender. No amount of hormones later will 100% fix that.

I thought California was insane. Oregon takes the cake in terms of taking it to 11.

Conservatives are so worried about what other people do with their bodies. No wonder they're shit when it comes to things that matter like economics and technology.

???

Yeah them dumb billionaires who own everything obviously don't know important stuff like economics

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Conservatives are so worried about what other people do with their bodies. No wonder they're shit when it comes to things that matter like economics and technology.