Originally posted by psmith81992
Total shit. Since most billionaires are conservatives. And if they know dick about economics, looks like the liberals know even less. Very poor, baseless statement on your part, made out of spite. And conservatives couldn't care less about other people's bodies, they're worried about footing the bill.
There is a difference between economics and business....they are different fields of study, and being good at one does not mean you'd be good at the other.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
being a billionaire pretty much guarentees you understand the economy.
That's not true at all.
They are completely different skill sets (not to forget the extreme luck one needs to become a billionaire as well), and different billionaires disagree on what the best economic policy is constantly.
Originally posted by Bardock42
There is a difference between economics and business....they are different fields of study, and being good at one does not mean you'd be good at the other.
I know that. But when you throw out a baseless statement like "conservatives know shit about economics", you would usually have something to base this on. Also, you're implying liberals know ANYTHING about economics.
Originally posted by psmith81992
I know that. But when you throw out a baseless statement like "conservatives know shit about economics", you would usually have something to base this on. Also, you're implying liberals know ANYTHING about economics.
Did you just do the same thing you complained about?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Did you just do the same thing you complained about?
Yes I did. Honestly I wanted to see if someone would point out my hypocrisy while ignoring the post I quoted. Looks like you did.
Plus, the only stat I had to go by was this:
According to Open Secrets, Republicans had a larger share of the billionaires -- and their contributions to outside spending groups -- in the 2012 election cycle. Among the top 100 donors in the Open Secrets list, 33 were billionaires, and of those, 14 gave primarily to liberal groups while 19 gave to conservative groups.In addition, the top 100 donors of 2012 gave 41 percent of all the money collected by outside spending groups, and of their donations, 71 percent went to conservative groups.
Originally posted by Bardock42so in your opinion it's just luck? Ok I'll just be over here in reality.
That's not true at all.They are completely different skill sets (not to forget the extreme luck one needs to become a billionaire as well), and different billionaires disagree on what the best economic policy is constantly.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Yes I did. Honestly I wanted to see if someone would point out my hypocrisy while ignoring the post I quoted. Looks like you did.Plus, the only stat I had to go by was this:
At least that's better than baseless don't you think?
Well the post you quoted wasn't hypocritical....it may have been wrong, though I suppose someone could already argue that you misinterpreted it since there's a difference between saying the Republicans ARE shit at the economy vs. the Republicans KNOW shit about the economy, but that's really for Stealth Moose to clarify.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
so in your opinion it's just luck? Ok I'll just be over here in reality.
It's not just luck. But luck is a big aspect in it, starting from the circumstances of ones birth, to the way one actually makes the money. A lot of people succesful at business admit to the luck that plays a part in that success, for billionaires in particular. So you are misinterpreting what I said, being smart and hardworking may be a necessary condition of becoming a billionaire, but it is not a sufficient one.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Read the last addition
I think I already explained to you (and I believe you agreed), how being a billionaire does not make you an expert on the economy. But even if it did, your stat presumes that people support candidates who do the best for the economy of the country, when many people would argue that people support candidates that are most beneficial to them, which may very well be at the detriment of the economy.
being smart and hardworking may be a necessary condition of becoming a billionaire, but it is not a sufficient one.
But even if it did, your stat presumes that people support candidates who do the best for the economy of the country, when many people would argue that people support candidates that are most beneficial to them, which may very well be at the detriment of the economy.
Honestly this seems a whole different discussion, who's been better for our economy: Conservatives or liberals. I don't feel like making another thread right now but if someone did, it would devolve pretty quickly. First we'd have to establish the president's leanings, then congress', then if we're giving the president credit or blame for things that happened on his watch, etc. It's going to be a thread of confirmation bias.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Total shit. Since most billionaires are conservatives. And if they know dick about economics, looks like the liberals know even less. Very poor, baseless statement on your part, made out of spite. And conservatives couldn't care less about other people's bodies, they're worried about footing the bill.
I can understand now why some people in other countries don't like us. We act like our way of doing things is the best, that our way of life is the way the world should be. Our President goes out and talks about how we are the most "respected" country in the world. We do all that..and then do some shit like this.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
... Did you not go through puberty?The reason puberty makes it more difficult is because you physically chance and adapt the physical traits of your gender. No amount of hormones later will 100% fix that.
But that isn't what I asked. What I asked is if you feel puberty can make other mental health issues(related to body image) a lot worse? It would be weird to me if you would say no to that.
Oh, and did you know transgender people are not the only group that belong to the "I self identify as something else"? Did you know there is this new(well probably not new) thing where people get plastic surgery to look more like a celebrity. I'm serious, these people have mental issues to the point they feel they can't truly live life unless they look like a celebrity. I am not talking about people having a similar look, I'm am talking people so mentally disturbed..they do not feel comfortable in their own skin until they get the surgery done. I mean I could show you a picture of the dude who got surgery to look like Kim Kardashian...but I don't want to be cruel to you because it is god damn disturbing.
So what do we do with those people? Do we say this form of self identification is inferior to the transgenders? So then who decides what cases deserve free surgery and which cases don't? Therapists? See because the problem with that is not even all therapists can even agree about transgender issues, in terms of if it is actually a symptom of someone being mentally ill or not.
I honestly don't care if cosmetic surgery is free, as I don't think medicine should be a free market affair. Ethically it's a nightmare, and in the end the town ends up covering the poor anyway.
Elective surgeries are a little more black/white ethically but honestly I'd rather not set up laws that block them for people who need them (reconstructive surgery and the like)
So the issue is that 15+ year old Oregonians (Oregoners?) can get this surgery without parental consent...
At least to me, it seems silly to focus on this procedure instead of the actual wording of the law. Some people might think the ability to give consent for blood transfusions or organ donation is too much for a 15 year old.
Originally posted by Shinobi Popcorn
So the issue is that 15+ year old Oregonians (Oregoners?) can get this surgery without parental consent...At least to me, it seems silly to focus on this procedure instead of the actual wording of the law. Some people might think the ability to give consent for blood transfusions or organ donation is too much for a 15 year old.
On the real, i think it might be "Oregons"