Low Herald Tournament Odds

Started by leonidas97 pages

powerful can mean a lot of things though. in terms of personal power, non prep? it would be interesting to see him in this and see someone use him then be forced to use scans from situations only where he had NO prep.

meh, he's banned i guess, so it doesn't matter, but i don't think he'd stand out in this more than many others...

as far as creel--i don't think we should be banning any one because of what they MIGHT become if amalgamated. that seems....the exact opposite of the point here. if he's low herald, he should be fair game. i don't think what he COULD become should be taken into account. if that's the case, we should likely look at banning several others as well... just my 2 cents. do whatever y'all feel needs doing.

There's a limit on post-amalgam power level anyway, no-one here should be taking more than 5/10 against Thor or the like after amalagamation

Good progress on judges, but imo still too few. If you want 5 per match, that's a ton of overlap for each judge. And once this hits, say, month 2-3, we can safely assume some no-shows, whoever they end up being. With PG entering, it's at 8, and I'd humbly council at least 12 before feeling comfortable, and ideally more. By FAR the most frequent factor that has killed tourneys completely is judging. Imo, it's as important as locking down dedicated participants. Both can cause drag, but there's more incentive for the participants who keep winning to show up for their next match.

Any limit, as in numbers regarding summon construct? Offensive matter manipulation allowed?

Originally posted by Ambient
Any limit, as in numbers regarding summon construct? Offensive matter manipulation allowed?

Building a robot army?

I'm planning to summon teh Transformers Constructicons Devastator.. 😅

Really just want clear rule regarding number of summons, case someone loopholes #### infinite construct..

Can we get a vote going on this BFR ruling?

Because, much like Leo, I am strongly opposed to it.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Can we get a vote going on this BFR ruling?

Because, much like Leo, I am strongly opposed to it.

But I wanna combine Blink and Access and throw everyone into alternate universes.... 🙁

Someone mentioned twenty second rule on bfr which seems legit. If you have that much power at your disposal bfr really shouldn't be an issue, im just wary about dimension dumping; sun porting, etc. That would be annoying and cheap. Maybe relegate it to long distance (something a speedster or brick with jumping capacity can recover from? It'd suck to get hung up on bfr the entire match. If people have strong arguments for keeping creel and doom don't see y "id" wouldn't accept them back. Doomsday is a no brainer.

Also in regards to judging a rotating group of three per match should speed things up and not bog down threads. This isn't a grand jury indictment. Don't need every hand in the cookie jar.

As far as constructs id suggest going with what your characters have been shown to produce at that level. Bearing in mind the more u create the more tissue like durability they become.

Summoning is a difficult avenue because every mage worth his/her salt summons above their paygrade. Id say you could only summon creatures below yourself with a limit on how many high, mid and low meta level demons or whatever you can have in play.

I'm not fighting, so all of you are safe from my cheap BFR tactics sneer

Cloak +Jay Garrick and Dark Dimension porting

Edit: as a cheap fighter, I would like to ask about self-BFRs (so hiding somewhere for a while), someone like Pixie (sun porting), and equipment levels (Kang, for example).

I dont have a problem with BFR, you still have to make m it stick and from m low herald up the frequency with which beings can easily return from a BFR gets greater and greater.

When using two low herald choices in an amalgam BFR shouldnt hold anyone really.

@Sin

The constructs and whatnot can't be autonomous, so the more you summon, the more you have to split concentration to control, opening you up to more attacks.

Maybe a limit would be good though, don't want to wade through a thousand ghosts looking for someone.

Originally posted by leonidas
creel has lost too many times to be higher ranked than low herald. doom is interesting. in straight 1on1, non-prepped scenarios, i don't really think doom is that far above many of those guys--he may not be as powerful as some.

i agree dd should NOT be low herald though. 👆

so, are we forbidding anyone else?

Most guys would f up Doom imo, hes just absurdly popular on KMC

Doom is a good pick...at mid herald. Leave him out. He's not completely OP at low, but he IS beyond the cap these days, Secret Wars notwithstanding.

I'm with Sin on 3 judges as opposed to 5. My earlier advice on judges still stands, though.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Can we get a vote going on this BFR ruling?

Because, much like Leo, I am strongly opposed to it.

I'm with these two.

I agree with Doom being banned.

I also agree on 3 judges per a match.

On BFR: imo it's a cheap forum tactic. I wouldn't mind seeing no BFR for this tourney.

1 vote for no BFR from me.

Judges
Sin I AM
Digi
psycho gundam (back up judge/participant)
quanchi112 (Back up judge)
Board Walker
The Nuul
JayDaDon
krisblaze
Bentley
SquallX
Supermutant
Prof. T.C McAbe

Participants
leonidas
Blair Wind
Scoobless
beatboks
Martian_mind
LordofBrooklyn
Werewolf582
Abhilegend
Ambient

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Someone mentioned twenty second rule on bfr which seems legit. If you have that much power at your disposal bfr really shouldn't be an issue, im just wary about dimension dumping; sun porting, etc. That would be annoying and cheap. Maybe relegate it to long distance (something a speedster or brick with jumping capacity can recover from? It'd suck to get hung up on bfr the entire match. If people have strong arguments for keeping creel and doom don't see y "id" wouldn't accept them back. Doomsday is a no brainer.

20 seconds is ok i guess. i'd just as soon see it gone altogether though. i also think people are overestimating how easy it is for many characters at this level to counter a serious bfr--i mean off planet, or into a different dimension. i don't believe there are many who can produce on-panel proof of the ability to teleport interdimensionally....just saying.

Also in regards to judging a rotating group of three per match should speed things up and not bog down threads. This isn't a grand jury indictment. Don't need every hand in the cookie jar.

i think this is a must. 👆

As far as constructs id suggest going with what your characters have been shown to produce at that level. Bearing in mind the more u create the more tissue like durability they become.

👆

not sure if it was in my little tourney, or another one, but a rule was put in where the constructs needed to be no higher than high meta (ie--im could summon his armors, if possible, and they would be ok.)

Summoning is a difficult avenue because every mage worth his/her salt summons above their paygrade. Id say you could only summon creatures below yourself with a limit on how many high, mid and low meta level demons or whatever you can have in play. [/B]

this is good too. you could follow the same for the constructs i suppose. 👆

@saint--i have kang right now with the low herald title belt and all his equipment was fine in the match i had. ie--tech can't exceed low herald, nor can it be amalgamated to exceed high herald.

i think it's important to bear in mind what scoob said--even amalgamated the characters shouldn't be more powerful than a high herald like thor. it gets tricksy sometimes to judge that if someone is...gimmicky, but someone shouldn't be clearly behind a high herald--high heralds should STILL be able to beat the amalgam. if we keep that in mind, we should be fine.

id, i'm afraid you're gonna have to go through this stuff and come up with a definite set of rules before monday. your rulings on constructs/bfrs and such will determine the direction of many picks....

oh, and what about self brf? should be allowed but limited to a very short timeframe. imo.

I was gonna name my amalgam "The BFRer" or "Sir Portsalot"... Looks like I'm heading back to the drawing board.

🙁