Originally posted by EmperordmbUtterly ridiculous. We argue based off what's in character not what you wish to happen. In character Khan is portrayed as too much for these Jedi and Sith. His phaser cannon and phaser rifle would mow any of them down before they can close the distance between them.
That's kewl, Sheev/Yoda/Vader still absolutely thrash Khan.
Originally posted by EmperordmbCorrections first. Sheev didn't defeat Maul or Savage with tk. He hurt them with it. He hurt them in the same manner that Yoda force pushed Palpatine across the room. It's like any attack you have to do it at the right moment and can't do it whenever you want lest you catch a blast or saber in the meantime.
And Sheev/Yoda/Vader would thrash Khan with telekinesis like they did senate pods, Ventress, Maul, Savage, shuttles, Lyleks, Mandalorians, Royal Guards, etc.
The royal guards are featless nor do they have the skill or accuracy of Khan. Nothing even alludes to that. We also see what a highly skilled Mandalorian is capable of. We see Jango as a legit threat to the guy who bested Sidious himself. I can also cite the Pre Vizsla against Maul as a back and forth contest not someone he can defeat with tk whenever he wants. The rest are inanimate objects. It's like me saying Khan does to them what he does to the Klingon patrol ships. It's disingenuous and poor form.
Skill always matters along with the weaponry especially comparing Khan to the Jedi and Sith.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceNerve pinch >>>>> laughable kicks and punches from Kenobi or Anakin. They looked awful in their fight in hand to hand. I was waiting for someone to try to scratch out the others eyes.
Khan took that Vulcan nerve pinch like a champ. Simple "telekinesis" or "Lightning" or "a lightsaber to the face" won't stop him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Nerve pinch >>>>> laughable kicks and punches from Kenobi or Anakin. They looked awful in their fight in hand to hand. I was waiting for someone to try to scratch out the others eyes.
"Vader was forty meters from her. He stood up straight, towering over the crew near him. He was looking right at her, his lightsaber held at his side, and she could feel the weight of his regard pressing against her like a punch. He exploded into motion, moving toward her at preternatural speed, his strides devouring the deck space between them. Crew scrambled out of the way at his approach, his dark form knifing through them.
She raised her blasters and took aim, shooting as fast as she could pull the triggers, scribing the air between them with lines of red energy. Vader didn't slow his sprint and his lightsaber was a blur as he came on, deflecting her shots in all directions. A few came back at her. One hit the pallet and sent tools skittering along the deck. Another scorched the bulkhead beside her, but still she fired."
"To his right his Master gestured and, with the Force, lifted two of the lyleks from the floor. Vader and his Master exchanged no words, but each knew precisely what the other intended. With a casual throwing motion, the Emperor flung the two lyleks in Vader's direction, their legs and tentacles squirming, bellies exposed. Slashing and turning a rapid spin, Vader bisected both of them; the four gory pieces that remained fell to the floor in a heap."
"Below, an explosion of Force lightning shredded a handful of lyleks and left his Master standing in the center of a circle of charred, dead creatures. He made eye contact with Vader, nodding, and Vader knew to hold his position as the queen closed."
"He threw his lightsaber at her open mouth, guiding it with the Force, causing it to spin as rapidly as a rotor as it flew into her gullet. She gagged, recoiled, one good eye wide with pain and confusion, as Vader maintained his mental hold on his spinning blade, cutting her apart from the inside out. Desperately, instinctively, she drove the spiked, poisoned tip of another tentacle at his chest.
Enmeshed in the Force, he caught the spike in his gauntleted fist and stopped it before it reached his armor. He grunted with pain, with exertion, the thick, muscular appendage of the giant creature straining against his Force-fueled strength. He was the stronger, and stared into her face as his lightsaber tore through her innards and his Master's lightning charred her flesh. "
"Lord Vader strode heedlessly through the crossfire, cape flowing out behind him, his lightsaber cutting the air before him, deflecting dozens of blaster shots back at the Twi'leks, killing one, another, another. He did it all almost casually, as though his mind was on other things. The black lenses of his helmet were fixed upward, at the rim of the quarry."
"Vader raised his hand, seized one of the leading lyleks with the Force, and flung it sideways into the trees. It struck a tree trunk as thick around as a man, and its ridged, spiked carapace cracked open, leaving it squirming helplessly at the base of the tree."
"Vader extended a gloved hand and loosed a blast of power that blew apart two of the lyleks rushing toward him, showering those behind with gore and chunks of carapace."
all pale in comparison to the Vulcan nerve pinch.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceSo you show me feats not occur in real time and then misrepresent my argument because yours is lacking. Nerve pinch >>> Kenobi kicks and punches as well as Anakin. I didn't say force powers, noob."Vader was forty meters from her. He stood up straight, towering over the crew near him. He was looking right at her, his lightsaber held at his side, and she could feel the weight of his regard pressing against her like a punch. He exploded into motion, moving toward her at preternatural speed, his strides devouring the deck space between them. Crew scrambled out of the way at his approach, his dark form knifing through them.
She raised her blasters and took aim, shooting as fast as she could pull the triggers, scribing the air between them with lines of red energy. Vader didn't slow his sprint and his lightsaber was a blur as he came on, deflecting her shots in all directions. A few came back at her. One hit the pallet and sent tools skittering along the deck. Another scorched the bulkhead beside her, but still she fired."
"To his right his Master gestured and, with the Force, lifted two of the lyleks from the floor. Vader and his Master exchanged no words, but each knew precisely what the other intended. With a casual throwing motion, the Emperor flung the two lyleks in Vader's direction, their legs and tentacles squirming, bellies exposed. Slashing and turning a rapid spin, Vader bisected both of them; the four gory pieces that remained fell to the floor in a heap."
"Below, an explosion of Force lightning shredded a handful of lyleks and left his Master standing in the center of a circle of charred, dead creatures. He made eye contact with Vader, nodding, and Vader knew to hold his position as the queen closed."
"He threw his lightsaber at her open mouth, guiding it with the Force, causing it to spin as rapidly as a rotor as it flew into her gullet. She gagged, recoiled, one good eye wide with pain and confusion, as Vader maintained his mental hold on his spinning blade, cutting her apart from the inside out. Desperately, instinctively, she drove the spiked, poisoned tip of another tentacle at his chest.Enmeshed in the Force, he caught the spike in his gauntleted fist and stopped it before it reached his armor. He grunted with pain, with exertion, the thick, muscular appendage of the giant creature straining against his Force-fueled strength. He was the stronger, and stared into her face as his lightsaber tore through her innards and his Master's lightning charred her flesh. "
"Lord Vader strode heedlessly through the crossfire, cape flowing out behind him, his lightsaber cutting the air before him, deflecting dozens of blaster shots back at the Twi'leks, killing one, another, another. He did it all almost casually, as though his mind was on other things. The black lenses of his helmet were fixed upward, at the rim of the quarry."
"Vader raised his hand, seized one of the leading lyleks with the Force, and flung it sideways into the trees. It struck a tree trunk as thick around as a man, and its ridged, spiked carapace cracked open, leaving it squirming helplessly at the base of the tree."
"Vader extended a gloved hand and loosed a blast of power that blew apart two of the lyleks rushing toward him, showering those behind with gore and chunks of carapace."all pale in comparison to the Vulcan nerve pinch.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceI wasn't comparing force powers to his physicality. I was comparing both of their physicalities in a fight. Misrepresenting my argument is the sign of a weak debater.
Those are feats, my dude. They're obviously not as great as grabbing someone's shoulder, but feats all the same.