Iranian Agreement goes through

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I read it, and it gave them everything they need/want.

Show me any concession. There are no snap inspections, there will be a Iranian sitting on the inspection council and it can take 24 days to inspect. Almost a month time is plenty to hide/move things to a new facility.

Isn't it funny how people like Time are saying they got 'everything they need/want,' and how horrible that is, when we got what we want, namely, them providing guarantees that they won't make a nuke and actual physical reductions in their capacity to do so.

Also, I'll repeat again that major nuclear facilities are not mobile, and with a vote from a council, the lead time drops to 3 days.

If they were going to sneak-build a nuke, they could've done it during the last several years, where they have had the capacity and where we have no inspectors and they have all their centrifuges. They don't need to break most of their centrifuges and get rid of their uranium to build a nuke, that's actually counter-productive.

It's like people think Iran is some sort of 'they will automatically do what we don't want' thing rather than a power with it's own self-interests. This deal makes absolutely no sense if Iran is trying to make a nuke.

Originally posted by Q99
It's like people think Iran is some sort of 'they will automatically do what we don't want' thing rather than a power with it's own self-interests. This deal makes absolutely no sense if Iran is trying to make a nuke.

I used to belong to a board filled with conservatives and by and large they firmly believed that Iran was controlled by lunatics that only wanted to nuke Israel and the US, consequences be damned, because they wanted to die a glorious death and meet Allah. Their words, not mine.

This was back in 2005-6 iirc, back when there was talk of target-bombing Iran's supposed secret nuclear weapons facilities, I'm afraid people still have that mindset of Iran (eg this thread). The loons praying for death.

Originally posted by Robtard
I used to belong to a board filled with conservatives and by and large they firmly believed that Iran was controlled by lunatics that only wanted to nuke Israel and the US, consequences be damned, because they wanted to die a glorious death and meet Allah. Their words, not mine.

This was back in 2005-6 iirc, back when there was talk of target-bombing Iran's supposed secret nuclear weapons facilities, I'm afraid people still have that mindset of Iran (eg this thread). The loons praying for death.

So Iran is not controlled by Lunatics? 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

http://news.yahoo.com/death-america-deal-america-irans-khamenei-102333305.html

What world do you live in?

Today on NPR Netanyahu claimed that Iran's ultimate goal was world domination. Like no joke, he claimed that Iran's actual goal is the total conquest of the world starting with Israel. The guy is a joke.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So Iran is not controlled by Lunatics? 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

http://news.yahoo.com/death-america-deal-america-irans-khamenei-102333305.html

What world do you live in?

See what I mean? Anyhow.

The opening paragraph of your story:

"Tehran (AFP) - Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's distrust of the United States loomed over nuclear talks for years but Iran's supreme leader ultimately did a deal because it served the nation's interests."

Sounds reasonable to me. A man going against his own personal beliefs for the greater good of the masses.

So funny you take those slight words as "Oh we good now"

He did the deal cause it favors him, not anyone else, How is this unclear!?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Today on NPR Netanyahu claimed that Iran's ultimate goal was world domination. Like no joke, he claimed that Iran's actual goal is the total conquest of the world starting with Israel. The guy is a joke.

Guy sounds dangerous actually.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Today on NPR Netanyahu claimed that Iran's ultimate goal was world domination. Like no joke, he claimed that Iran's actual goal is the total conquest of the world starting with Israel. The guy is a joke.

Yes Bibi is bad and the President of Iran is good now.

I swear you are just ignorant on purpose.

Has Bibi made threats to wipe anyone off the face of the earth?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So funny you take those slight words as "Oh we good now"

He did the deal cause it favors him, not anyone else, How is this unclear!?

You posted a story that didn't support your "they're lunatics" belief. Sorry.

"Hardliners in Tehran, brought up on chants of "Death to America", have repeatedly voiced opposition to the quest for a deal with a power derided as the "great Satan" ever since the Islamic revolution of 1979.

But to the millions of Iranians born since the overthrow of the US-backed shah, the international isolation and fear of war borne of the 13-year nuclear standoff have stalked their lives.

Khamenei heard both audiences but the overriding factor that led him to the deal announced in Vienna on Tuesday, was the need to end the sanctions that have pulverised Iran's economy, analysts say."

Again, sounds like the actions of someone who is using reason and not acting like a lunatic.

Anyway, the ball is in Iran's court now. If they want to be productive members of the world community they have an opportunity to do so. Conservatives should realize that this deal is great for America in terms of foreign policy capital: if Iran does start agitating and causing major trouble and welching, we have the mechanisms in place to restore sanctions, and we'll have even more diplomatic legitimacy to do so than before.

This Neville Chamberlain all over again..

Originally posted by Robtard
You posted a story that didn't support your "they're lunatics" belief. Sorry.

"Hardliners in Tehran, brought up on chants of "Death to America", have repeatedly voiced opposition to the quest for a deal with a power derided as the "great Satan" ever since the Islamic revolution of 1979.

But to the millions of Iranians born since the overthrow of the US-backed shah, the international isolation and fear of war borne of the 13-year nuclear standoff have stalked their lives.

Khamenei heard both audiences but the overriding factor that led him to the deal announced in Vienna on Tuesday, was the need to end the sanctions that have pulverised Iran's economy, analysts say."

Again, sounds like the actions of someone who is using reason and not acting like a lunatic.

You are aware that talk is cheap right? And actions speak louder then words.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes Bibi is bad and the President of Iran is good now.

I swear you are just ignorant on purpose.

Has Bibi made threats to wipe anyone off the face of the earth?

I never said he wants to wipe any country out, though he's talked about military action against Iran much more candidly than Iran has ever talked about attacking Israel.* My point is that Netanyahu is engaging in blatant hyperbole and making ridiculous claims to try to shore up his crumbling position.

*You should understand that there's a big difference between some bearded Revolutionary Guard hick talking about "wiping Israel from the map" and Netanyahu actually meeting with his security aides to plan out preemptive strikes on Iran.

bearded Revolutionary Guard hick

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dude, do you ever even try to understand my posts?

I never said he wants to wipe any country out, though he's talked about military action against Iran much more candidly than Iran has ever talked about attacking Israel.* My point is that Netanyahu is engaging in blatant hyperbole and making ridiculous claims to try to shore up his crumbling position.

*You should understand that there's a big difference between some bearded Revolutionary Guard hick talking about "wiping Israel from the map" and Netanyahu actually meeting with his security aides to plan out preemptive strikes on Iran.

Yes Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is just some bearded hick..

And where is the prisoner release???? Funny no one will talk about this.

Hassan Rouhani is the president of Iran now.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You are aware that talk is cheap right? And actions speak louder then words.

Would actions be the deal going through?

Originally posted by Robtard
Hassan Rouhani is the president of Iran now.

Lol, oh big difference.

This is silly arguing with sympathetics.

You guys sit here and deny state sponsored terror and and like Iran is this honest nation when they lied about their programs before.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is just some bearded hick..

And where is the prisoner release???? Funny no one will talk about this.

I'm in agreement with you on that. I think if there's one thing I'm really disappointed is that we didn't work the prisoners into the deal. My hope is that this agreement opens the door to more negotiations. Whenever Americans are seized on trumped up charges by authoritarian or semi-authoritarian regimes it's always in the aim of provocation and leverage when tensions are high. When tensions reduce, as they should after this deal, a country like Iran can quietly work out releasing the prisoners without losing face.

Mark my words though: threatening Iran wouldn't get those people free, only negotiations can.

They didnt have to threaten.. It could have been in the deal that we want our people released as part of this deal. Im pretty sure thats a small price to pay for getting nuclear power.